US in Sudan

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Should the US involve itself in the Sudan or leave it to the Blue Helmets and our "honest broker" to the North?

From todays news:

Powell Issues Ultimatum to Sudan Over Darfur

Wed Jun 30, 5:50 PM ET Add World - Reuters to My Yahoo!

By Saul Hudson and Opheera McDoom

KHARTOUM (Reuters) - Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) warned Sudan on Wednesday of U.N. action within days or weeks unless it disarms militias killing in the Darfur region and allows full aid access to more than one million refugees. Sudanese Foreign Minister Mustafa Osman Ismail said his government would combat the Arab militias in the remote western region and improve aid access to refugees caught up in what the United Nations (news - web sites) has called the world's worst humanitarian crisis.

"I am pleased with the response that we have received from the Sudanese government," Powell said after talks with Sudan's leaders and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites), who was also in Khartoum to highlight international concern over Darfur.

"There already has been consideration given to U.N. resolutions...unless these...kind of commitments (from the Sudanese government) are actually executed," Powell, who visited Darfur as part of his Sudan trip, told reporters.

"We are talking about within days or weeks," he said.
U.S. officials and human rights groups accuse Khartoum of arming and supporting the Janjaweed Arab militias to raid black African villages in Darfur in a campaign of ethnic cleansing. Khartoum denies the charges, saying the Janjaweed are outlaws.

Some 10,000 to 30,000 people are estimated to have been killed in the Darfur crisis in the oil-producing country.

ARMS EMBARGO

The United States called for the United Nations to impose an arms embargo and travel ban on Darfur's militias, but a new U.S.-drafted Security Council resolution obtained by Reuters would not impose sanctions against the Khartoum government.

Ismail said Sudan would cooperate with the United States and the United Nations over Darfur, a vast arid region where tension has often flared between Arab nomads and African farmers.

"We will combat any militias and Janjaweed so that we secure the protection of civilians," said Ismail, adding he would seek to speed up talks with two groups from African tribes who launched a rebellion in Darfur last year.

"We are going to work on lifting any restrictions on humanitarian aid," he said.

The rebels signed a cease-fire with Khartoum on April 8 but both sides have since accused each other of violations.

Powell received cheers when he visited what aid workers called a show camp for those displaced by the Darfur fighting.

"We all want them to return to their homes and that will require the re-establishment throughout Darfur of security, the end of fighting, the end of the Janjaweed," Powell told aid workers and Darfuris living in the Abou Shouk camp.

POWELL CHEERED

Thousands of displaced Darfuris clapped and waved walking sticks to welcome Powell on his 20-minute visit to the camp, a few miles outside El Fasher, capital of Northern Darfur state.

Powell arrived in Sudan on Tuesday to press the government over Darfur, which is badly in need of food and medicine.

Among the Sudanese leaders he met was President Omar Hassan al-Bashir, who promised to disarm the Janjaweed and give relief organizations access to the region.

But a senior U.S. official said: "(Bashir) has said these things before. We'll have to see what they actually do."

The chairman of the Commission of the African Union, Alpha Oumar Konare, urged Khartoum to disarm the militias.

Konare told a conference of African foreign ministers he hoped a meeting of Sudanese political groups due to begin in Chad's capital N'Djamena on July 2 would help to resolve the crisis.

The conflict in Darfur has spread into neighboring Chad and Chadian President Idriss Deby said on Tuesday more than 300 civilians had been killed in cross-border raids. (Additional reporting by Nima Elbagir in Khartoum and Betel Miarom in N'Djamena)
 
One word for you heroes, Rwanda......

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The UN should intervene and its members should back it up. It would behoove any conscientious country to act in order to prevent genocide. Anything less is lip service to the lessons of the past. The international community should have zero tolerance for human rights violations and genocide.
 
victims of US meddling

I agree with bbking that the US sees Sudan as a legitimate focus for the 'war on terror'. But I also believe the Sudanese government is using their interpretation of the 'war on terror' as a pretext for their activities in Darfur, secretly using the Janjaweed militia as the acting hand. And in turn the US has for a time been turning a blind eye to those activities. Sudan has a radical Islamic government that once hosted OBL. The US lists it as a terrorist threat. However, Sudan has also began co-operating with US policy by first expelling OBL and in recent years been hunting down other Islamic extremists. In return, like the Sudanese government, the US has not interfered with the horrific atrocities occuring in Darfur, allowing thousands of lives to be lost. That is until now when public pressure has grown so great that the US has decided to finally do something about it(it being election year and all). Even though its not in the US's best interest to get involved since it could drive the Sudanese government back into the hands of the terrorists.
Meddling --isn't it fun? :(
 
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The US gets criticized if they get involved (acting in US interests, being a bully, spreading christianity, etc...) or if they don't get involved (it is not in their interest to care, they don't give a crap about the poor if there is nothing to get gained, etc...) so they are always going to take a hit.

My advice is the US needs to lay low and get out of people's biz. When Kerry comes in hopefully he'll pull back the troops somewhat. Right now the US is seen as too meddling to be thinking about going into Sudan or anywhere else.
 
Should the US go in, or will it go in. Two different things.

IMO, the US should definitely go in as part of a UN peacekeeping force. I think Canada should participate as well. What happened in Rwanda should never be allowed to happen again. It would also give the US some much needed global credibility.

In reality, however, the US won't go in - for a number of reasons. The most obvious of which is the strained-to-the-breaking point situation in Iraq. Canada won't go in either since all our troops are already deployed (something like half of the UN troops in Afghanistan are Canadian).

To be honest, I don't blame the US for not going into the Sudan. They have their hands full in Iraq (despite what I think about a certain president that got them into that mess). This would be a good opportunity for other western nations to stand up and be counted. Maybe Spain could send the troops they pulled out of Iraq. The only problem I see is if the Sudan requires some serious firepower (and I don't know that it does), in which case US support would definitely be needed.

WHO goes in isn't the issue. But SOMEONE needs to go in. If the "have" countries of the world don't step in to prevent the "have nots" from self-destructing, then what does that really say about our humanity...
 
I think this is a good chance for NATO or UN forces to show they don't need the US to make a difference (if this is actually true) and go into Sudan.

I really think the US needs to stay away. I think if they went in, they'll just make it worse. Anti-US sentiment is at an all-time high and having the US there will actually make it harder on the peacekeepers from otehr nations. Maybe send supplies and economic support but definately not troops.
 
Don said:
I think this is a good chance for NATO or UN forces to show they don't need the US to make a difference (if this is actually true) and go into Sudan.

I really think the US needs to stay away. I think if they went in, they'll just make it worse. Anti-US sentiment is at an all-time high and having the US there will actually make it harder on the peacekeepers from otehr nations. Maybe send supplies and economic support but definately not troops.

I'll not be holding my breath on that one.......

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