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US General doesn't get murder for a murder
- Thread starter rama putri
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Let's concede the point that the US probably shouldn't have gone to Iraq in the first place but now that they are there, they are in this mess up to their asses. If they left now, the insurgents would claim an immense victory and it would be open season in Iraq and the rest of the world.
With that being said, why was this guy even charged? If the general (enemy) had information that could help eliminate the insurgents then I am of the opinion, and it should be only used in extreme cases, that whatever is necessary to extract the information, should be used.
I've watched many programs on what is happening over there and wtf is the military supposed to do?
Once again, in another conflict, the US have all these rules they have to follow and if they break those rules, the soldiers are punished and condemmed as "monsters".
Ok, torture isn't always the answer, but in all honesty, the insurgents are killing innocents and "infidels" daily and who is calling them monsters? NO ONE.
I say Fight fire with fire.....since the insurgents believe that all us westerners are no better than dogs, and think that killing us is just and right then I say, ditto. I was watching a program the other day on outsourcing in the military and 2 private security guards who were supposed to go to the airport to pickup kitchen equipment were ambushed. They were dragged from the vehicle and burned to a crisp, then their burned bodies were hung from a bridge while a crowd chanted and partied around them. Animals......and like all wild animals who are out of control, they should have a M16 pointed at their forehead and let a full clip go......
With that being said, why was this guy even charged? If the general (enemy) had information that could help eliminate the insurgents then I am of the opinion, and it should be only used in extreme cases, that whatever is necessary to extract the information, should be used.
I've watched many programs on what is happening over there and wtf is the military supposed to do?
Once again, in another conflict, the US have all these rules they have to follow and if they break those rules, the soldiers are punished and condemmed as "monsters".
Ok, torture isn't always the answer, but in all honesty, the insurgents are killing innocents and "infidels" daily and who is calling them monsters? NO ONE.
I say Fight fire with fire.....since the insurgents believe that all us westerners are no better than dogs, and think that killing us is just and right then I say, ditto. I was watching a program the other day on outsourcing in the military and 2 private security guards who were supposed to go to the airport to pickup kitchen equipment were ambushed. They were dragged from the vehicle and burned to a crisp, then their burned bodies were hung from a bridge while a crowd chanted and partied around them. Animals......and like all wild animals who are out of control, they should have a M16 pointed at their forehead and let a full clip go......
So what? Is it so bad for the Americans to lose?tboy said:Let's concede the point that the US probably shouldn't have gone to Iraq in the first place but now that they are there, they are in this mess up to their asses. If they left now, the insurgents would claim an immense victory and it would be open season in Iraq and the rest of the world.
Because, what he did was criminal. If he was an Iraqi officer doing this to an American General, I'd bet my ass you'd have a different position.With that being said, why was this guy even charged?
Riiiiight. Just like I bet he knows where the WMDS are. Excuses seems to be what the American military seems to be finding easily.If the general (enemy) had information that could help eliminate the insurgents then I am of the opinion, and it should be only used in extreme cases, that whatever is necessary to extract the information, should be used.
Leave.I've watched many programs on what is happening over there and wtf is the military supposed to do?
That's what makes Western society a civil society. Get it? That what makes us different from the terrorist monsters. We're NOT SUPPOSE TO BE LIKE THEM.Once again, in another conflict, the US have all these rules they have to follow and if they break those rules, the soldiers are punished and condemmed as "monsters".
WTF?Ok, torture isn't always the answer, but in all honesty, the insurgents are killing innocents and "infidels" daily and who is calling them monsters? NO ONE.
In other words be just like them.I say Fight fire with fire
I see you also missed the point where these private security guards were walking around Iraq like they were the police, disrespecting customs and cultural norms, looting, even killing cilivians. Tell me something, since you're so smart - how is an uninformed Iraqi cilivian suppose to tell the difference between a Western military person and Western private security guard? Don't you think they hate us because we have a$$hole private guards, some of them with such international experience as being a strip club bouncer, handling security issues in a foreign country? Have you met some bouncers? Not a lot going on upstair. Give'em some power, an M16 and propaganda BS like that coming out of your head, and guess what? Americans are no better than the terrorists.I was watching a program the other day on outsourcing in the military and 2 private security guards who were supposed to go to the airport to pickup kitchen equipment were ambushed. They were dragged from the vehicle and burned to a crisp, then their burned bodies were hung from a bridge while a crowd chanted and partied around them. Animals......and like all wild animals who are out of control, they should have a M16 pointed at their forehead and let a full clip go......
Oh wait, the American millitary-industrial complexes are better, they've established a beaurocracy behind the terror. My bad.
A sentence of three years and three months? You've got to be kidding.
Of course there is a third alternative. The general who was tortured and murdered was not American. He was only an Iraqi, so it doesn't really matter. His life was only worth three years and three months of incarceration, in the eyes of the US military justice system. And the only reason it is worth even that much is because the use of torture is such a huge scandal in the US right now and the image of the US in the eyes of the world is at stake.
Someone needs to be held properly accountable for this torture and murder. The sentence reflects the view that Welschofer was a bit player in this crime. In that case, bring Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney to trial as they are ultimately responsible. But if they are not responsible, then Welschofer should be locked up for a very long time."The verdict recognizes the context in which these events took place," he said. "It was a very difficult time in Iraq. There was confusion, and they were not getting clear guidance from headquarters."
Welshofer and prosecutors left without commenting.
During the trial, prosecutors described a rogue interrogator who became frustrated with Mowhoush's refusal to answer questions and escalated his techniques from simple interviews to beatings to simulating drowning, and finally, to death.
Welshofer used his sleeping bag technique in the presence of lower ranking soldiers, but never in the presence of officers with the authority to stop him, Dolan said.
The treatment of the Iraqi general "could fairly be described as torture," Dolan said.
Of course there is a third alternative. The general who was tortured and murdered was not American. He was only an Iraqi, so it doesn't really matter. His life was only worth three years and three months of incarceration, in the eyes of the US military justice system. And the only reason it is worth even that much is because the use of torture is such a huge scandal in the US right now and the image of the US in the eyes of the world is at stake.
I agree, we're supposed to take the higher path...but you know what happens when us enlightened ones take the higher path when fighting animals? We die...end of story. Anyone remember a little conflict called Vietnam? There is NO such thing as a limited war. Either you fight to win, or you lose. As long as your enemy is willing to do anything to win, if you don't adopt the same attitude, you WILL lose. And if the US loses in Iraq? WE lose. As stated in other threads, WE (as Canadians) are on the hit list...they just have been too busy with the US to have time for us.
As stated in the program "over there": How can you fight an enemy that isn't afraid to die? the answer? Kill them all and let Allah sort them out....(No, i'm not talking about innocent citizens).
As for the private security guards killing, looting etc. I will await for the results of the investigation but do you even REALIZE what everyone is going through over there? If you're an infidel, you can't even walk the streets...your crime? BEING WHITE and being in Iraq. The friggen animals even attack and BEHEAD people who are there to help them.....(ie: red cross aid workers).
Just remember something: The extremist muslims have one goal: Kill all infidels (anyone that is not muslim). The only way to stop someone with that mentality is to get them first. There will be no peace with them, no negotiated settlement, no pact.....
BTW: the general in question was an ENEMY soldier who was protecting those that want to KILL YOU! Would I feel different if the roles were reversed? You friggen idiots, don't you watch the news? There's beheadings EVERY FUCKING DAY and the insurgents aren't doing this to soldiers, they are doing it to innocent aid workers, newspeople.
Just an added note: If the general wanted to save his life: all he had to do was tell the interogator where the insurgents were.....
As stated in the program "over there": How can you fight an enemy that isn't afraid to die? the answer? Kill them all and let Allah sort them out....(No, i'm not talking about innocent citizens).
As for the private security guards killing, looting etc. I will await for the results of the investigation but do you even REALIZE what everyone is going through over there? If you're an infidel, you can't even walk the streets...your crime? BEING WHITE and being in Iraq. The friggen animals even attack and BEHEAD people who are there to help them.....(ie: red cross aid workers).
Just remember something: The extremist muslims have one goal: Kill all infidels (anyone that is not muslim). The only way to stop someone with that mentality is to get them first. There will be no peace with them, no negotiated settlement, no pact.....
BTW: the general in question was an ENEMY soldier who was protecting those that want to KILL YOU! Would I feel different if the roles were reversed? You friggen idiots, don't you watch the news? There's beheadings EVERY FUCKING DAY and the insurgents aren't doing this to soldiers, they are doing it to innocent aid workers, newspeople.
Just an added note: If the general wanted to save his life: all he had to do was tell the interogator where the insurgents were.....
