All restricted firearms (i.e. handguns, AR-15's, etc) are required by law to be registered. Who registers their guns? Who buys guns legally? People who obey the law. Who doesn't register their gun? Criminals who buy illegal guns. The long gun registry was a fiasco, wasting billions of dollars. The government and law enforcement agencies could not point to a single event where the long gun registry provided police evidence of a previous crime, or prevented any other crime. What it did do is allow the RCMP to go house to house where long guns were registered during a massive flood out west. They entered without warrant and seized firearms regardless if they were stored safely. They said the long gun registry would make it safer for cops, because if they were going to a call at a house, they could find out if guns were registered there. So if no guns were shown to be registered, should the cops not worry about it then? Who would be more likely to shoot a cop...a criminal with an unregistered gun, or a law abiding citizen who registered his gun? CRIMINALS DON'T REGISTER ILLEGAL GUNS !!!
US citizen smuggled 64 handguns using NEXUS pass...
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That is horseshit.
"The case in favour of a ban is that a lot of the weapons used by mass killers and terrorists are legal. Canada’s most horrific firearms crimes have mostly been committed with legal weapons. The 2017 Quebec City mosque massacre was carried out with the shooter’s legal rifle. So was the Moncton mass shooting of 2014 and so was Richard Bain’s 2012 attempt to assassinate Quebec premier-designate Pauline Marois. The awful Dawson College, Concordia University and École Polytechnique massacres in Montreal were all committed with weapons purchased legally. The La Loche, Sask., school shootings in 2016 and the Edmonton gun massacre of 2014 involved legal firearms taken by the shooters from their neighbours.
Reports suggest that the pistol used by the 29-year-old Toronto shooter was part of this pattern – a weapon (legal or otherwise) taken from a Canadian owner. Indeed, Toronto’s police chief says half of the firearms used in criminal offences are legal Canadian weapons that have been sold by or stolen from their owners. A B.C. government study last year found that 60 per cent of the weapons used by criminals there were legally and domestically sourced."
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opi...-guns-save-lives-look-at-places-where-it-did/
Yet another gun nut talking out of his ass. If you own guns you are already a bit paranoid and aggressive, so you really should not own them to start,
You keep quoting the unsubstantiated information from Di Danieli. Falling back on a false article constantly contributes to your lack of credibility.
How are the strict firearms laws working out in France? Preventing any mass murders?
We have the largest unguarded border in the world with the most armed country in the world.
The genie is out of the bottle.
Those shootings have happened over several different governments over several decades, and detailed analysis was done on every one. The firearm used at Ecole Polytechnique 30 years ago to this day remains non restricted, which means you don't have to register it and you can throw it in the trunk of your car without a lock and drive around the entire country with it. Doesn't that tell you what the successive different governments over 3 decades stance is?
Go take a look at Bill C71 and look at what the Liberal's are doing and see if it really does anything (It doesn't).
You are still evading the question and you're now moving the goalposts.
Where is the article that states that a Canadian legally bought 60 handguns and sold them to criminals and made $100,000?
Another thread got me the answer.
It was an American who legally bought them in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, who then smuggled them into Canada and illegally sold them to criminals. You used that fact to falsely blame licensed Canadian gun owners as a justification for banning and confiscating their legally bought and held property. Banning legal guns in Canada would not have affected their smuggling and trafficking here.
So please, get your facts straight before using them as justification for confiscating my property. Unfortunatly, this is the kind of tactics Canadian gun grabbers use routinely, including Mayor John Tory.
Just as I thought, you're pulling stuff out of your ass.
And enough of your slogans, already. Handguns were designed for defense. By your logic, police use their handguns to kill people. Yeah you'll make lots of friends with police officers by that admission. Knives were designed for killing, whether prey or human; do you want to ban those? You literally have an arsenal in your unlocked kitchen drawer. Imagine the carnage if you should suddenly go on a psychotic fit or a sudden rage.... can happen to anyone, by your estimation. Knives are more lethal within 10 feet than guns. You'll argue that they are less lethal or can kill fewer people; the 35 people killed at the Kunming train station would wish otherwise, but then, by your logic, 'if it only saves one life....'.
Handguns are, so what's your point? That they should be registered a second time?
The debate is about banning handguns... Remember?
Plenty of people were advocating greater restrictions and oversight on car rentals after the North York van attack.
Of course there is that slight difference that (without significant improvements to public transit) cars are a necessity while hand guns are a hobby.
p.s. I've said it before but the only real change I'd like to see to Canadian gun laws is that all private sales must be overseen by a licensed gun dealer.
If they were shot with illegal guns, would it make them any less dead?
Also, why do you keep quoting fake news? It doesn't help your argument.
Globeandmail is fake news? Since when. No but if guns were banned they might all be alive as the article indicates. FYI the NRA is a now a conduit for Russian influence.
Where did I use that to blame Canadian gun owners? I am blaming GUNs. Canadians were the market for those guns. Handguns were NOT designed for defence, they were designed to apply deadly force to people, defence or offence was not in the designers mind. Yes police are trained to shoot to kill, the purpose of that killing should be defence but more often we see them just shitting their pants. The article I posted indicates legal guns are reponsible for the majority of killings. Time to ban handguns and maybe all guns.
Still talking about handguns, a private individual can sell a handgun to another private individual. But the transfer has to be approved by the Chief Firearms Officer (OPP in Ontario).
Both have to have a Restricted Possession and Acquisition Licence (RPAL) and this is verified by the CFO. The CFO will also verify that the buyer has a purpose, and the only purposes are target shooting and collecting.
The CFO will ask for proof of membership in an approved shooting club before approval of transfer, or proof of a bona-fide collection.
Under Bill C-71, the buyer will have to obtain an separate Authorization to Transport (ATT), and this is limited to transportation between home and approved Ontario ranges by the shortest route. Presently, the ATT is included in the PAL. The gun collector AFAIK, only has permission to transport from post office to home, or from seller's home to buyer's home. Under C-71, any other transportation to destinations not specified in the ATT must be approved by the CFO and a temporary ATT issued and carried by the owner. Every RPAL holder is very aware that not having the necessary paperwork when transporting handguns (trigger locked in a locked case hidden away from public view in the trunk of your car) can bring criminal charges, confiscation of all guns, revocation of PAL and a criminal record.
Dealers need not be involved, except when buying or selling.
Cars are not an essential item to own in big cities like Toronto, given the availability of public transit. They pollute, kill innocent people at the hands of the increasing number of reckless drivers. Your rising nanny state will eventually start limiting the use of cars after people get used to their other non-essential property and activities gradually get banned.
They are now regulating drones effective in June, by requiring them to be registered, and to get a license to operate them, just because some idiots in a foreign country far away (England) disrupted air traffic. When disruption happens anyway, by people unlicensed, they will then ban them from everyone, including licences people, and since the legal ones will have already been registered, will know exactly where to go to confiscate them. The criminals and crackpots will remain unaffected and undeterred, because they never obey the law.
As soon as they crossed into Canada, they became illegal, not legal. Those were not legal guns in Canada... do I have to spell it to you in exquisite detail?
They were bought with the intent to traffic them: a US federal felony charge
They were illegally exported out of the US: A US federal felony charge
They were illegally imported into Canada: A Criminal Code offense.
The owner was not licensed to possess firearms in Canada, a Criminal Code Offense
The owner had in his possession non-registered handguns: a Criminal Code Offense
The owner did not have an Authorization to Transport, a Criminal Code offense
The owner sold them to people unlicensed to possess them: A criminal Code offense (trafficking) That means licensed Canadians were not the purchasers.
The purchase did not happen in Canada and Canadian firearms licensees were not involved. You can't ban firearms in the US, so why do you want to ban them in Canada?
Yet, you're making the argument that guns should be banned in Canada because it's Canadian gun owner's fault that they sell their guns to criminals. Not according to your reference. You misrepresented your facts that this guy had legal guns and he sold them to criminals.
The discussion is about the general banning of handguns in Canada, and why they should be banned from legal Canadian owners. This guy was not Canadian.
Handguns are used by police almost exclusively as a deterrent. It's a show of force that is very rarely exercised.
Lets ban the Javelin at the Olympics. Javelins were an instrument of war 2000 years ago. They were designed to kill.
So you are telling us all that criminals register their guns? Is it your belief that the gang banger shootings in Toronto were done by legal gun owners? Really?
Any news that claims that 50% statistic is real, is fake news. I'm not biased against the outlet, but that "statistic" is bunk and anyone who pretends it holds any weight is full of shit.
nottyboi has absolutely no credibility.
Look what he posted about the new drunk driving laws.
http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2016/07/12/canada-tops-in-driving-deaths-alcohol/
So you're against a draconian rule for driving while impaired, yet want one for legal firearms owners, despite the FACTS that more people were killed by impairment.
In 2014, road crashes claimed an estimated 2,297 lives. Based on testing of fatally-injured drivers, it may be estimated that 1,273 (55.4%) of these deaths resulted from crashes in which an individual was positive for alcohol and/or drugs.
299 deaths, or 13%, occurred in crashes involving individuals who were positive for alcohol alone.
618 deaths, or 26.9%, occurred in crashes involving individuals who were positive for drugs alone.
356 deaths, or 15.5%, occurred in crashes involving individuals who were positive for both alcohol and drugs.
Look what he posted about the new drunk driving laws.
So he's OK with the police demanding firearms owners cough up whatever they want, but when it comes to the police checking for drunk drivers, which kill approximately 650 people a year, the police are incompetent and abusing the law, even though Canada ranks FIRST in the developed countries for driving deaths linked to alcohol.
http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2016/07/12/canada-tops-in-driving-deaths-alcohol/
So you're against a draconian rule for driving while impaired, yet want one for legal firearms owners, despite the FACTS that more people were killed by impairment.
In 2014, road crashes claimed an estimated 2,297 lives. Based on testing of fatally-injured drivers, it may be estimated that 1,273 (55.4%) of these deaths resulted from crashes in which an individual was positive for alcohol and/or drugs.
299 deaths, or 13%, occurred in crashes involving individuals who were positive for alcohol alone.
618 deaths, or 26.9%, occurred in crashes involving individuals who were positive for drugs alone.
356 deaths, or 15.5%, occurred in crashes involving individuals who were positive for both alcohol and drugs.
in SOME areas of Toronto cars are not essential, regardless they are useful, have utility and contribute to the economy. Guns have no use other then recreation or voilence and do not contribute to the economy in any significant way.
I would not hunt bears with 9mm, however if I was hiking in bear country and was forced to confront a bear, I would be very happy if I had a 9mm semi, but I am sure you would prefer to just take him on with a knife or stick? Actually I would not hunt bears at all as they are magnificent animals and I think we should not kill them unless absolutely necessary.
You're throwing mindless slogans around again. Looks like you lost the argument.
Guns contribute billions to the economy, with hunting alone.
"Canadian hunters spent about $1.2 billion a year on hunting trips, and paid $70 million for hunting licenses. Hunting and fishing license sales represented approximately 70% of the total operating budget of the Ontario Ministry of natural Resources."
http://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2013/ic/Iu86-49-2012-eng.pdf
http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/...ity+annually+victoria+says/8875723/story.html
https://mffp.gouv.qc.ca/publications/faune/statistiques/chasse.pdf
Remember saying this, "I am pretty sure a 9mm semi auto can kill a bear, " ....Pretty sure, eh? Sometimes when one is out hiking, they aren't hunting the bear, the bear decides to go after the human How about needing a key to operate a car? Or having to watch someone at a range to know how to operate a gun? Pretty sure about that stuff too?
They're bringing drugs, they're rapists, they're murderers, they're pedophiles, most important they're bringing guns into Canada. We need to build a wall and the Americans will pay for it! Build that wall! Build that wall! Build that wall!
