US citizen smuggled 64 handguns using NEXUS pass...

[poorboy]

And you still need to properly source your information.

- Source of the information are police reports. The police reports are for 1,175 gun theft incidents. There is no question of the source.


1175 gun thefts is not a lot.
This the number of theft incidents. Since the average gun owner owns between 3 and 4 guns, the absolute number of guns stolen is higher. And, of course, it is a lot. A guy smuggles in 64 guns and that is considered a lot. Several thousand stolen guns in the hands of criminals is a lot.

There were 85,000 vehicle thefts in Canada.
Meaningless. Red herring.

Current gun control is working.
Not for the people being murdered by them. And yes, people are murdered by people who purchase guns legally. And people are murdered by guns that are stolen from people who purchased them legally.


The rest of your post is drivel. Canadians support stricter gun laws. Look at the polls. There are good reasons why.

Saying something is irrelevant doesn't make it irrelevant. All those lawmen who were referenced have credibility and you don't.

Polls mean nothing. If they did, Trump would not be president.

If the Conservatives are elected in October, the people will have spoken.

Trudeau has likely lost London, Ontario after his comments about trying to cancel the Saudi armoured vehicle contract. Thousands of jobs in London and area depend on that business. Doubtful he will win in Oshawa as well. If the provincial elections in Quebec, Ontario and New Brunswick are any indication, Trudeau is in trouble.

He's holding off on the National Shipbuilding Frigate contract announcement until closer to the election, so will keep his stronghold in the maritimes once that's announced.

 

[luckyme101]

We have to build a wall to keep the Americans out

Agree! Get Trumptard to pay for it.

 

[havingfun]

Polls mean nothing.
Saying something is irrelevant doesn't make it irrelevant.

LMAO!! :biggrin1:

 

[onthebottom]

We have to build a wall to keep the Americans out

It would end up just keeping Canadians from fleeing the lack of opportunity in Canada...

 

[poorboy]

LMAO!! :biggrin1:

You go ahead and believe the opinion polls all you want.

The results are what matters.

The nation will decide what they want in October.

 

[nottyboi]

There are enough laws in place. Go look in the Criminal Code with is available on line for free.

Problem is the laws and acts are not sentenced properly.

Judges hand out the lenient sentences, not the lawmakers or enforcers.

Thats nonsense. Gun violence is increasing in Canada. There is really no utility for a handgun in Canada in private hands...unless hiking in bear country perhaps. 1000 guns can cause a lot of mayhem. You cannot put a car in your pocket and then pull it out and kill 5 people with it. Cars are essential to many people. Their primary purpose is to transport people not kill them.

 

[poorboy]

Thats nonsense. Gun violence is increasing in Canada. There is really no utility for a handgun in Canada in private hands...unless hiking in bear country perhaps. 1000 guns can cause a lot of mayhem. You cannot put a car in your pocket and then pull it out and kill 5 people with it. Cars are essential to many people. Their primary purpose is to transport people not kill them.

There's at least 12 million guns in Canada, with some estimates as high as 20 million. There's no mayhem in Canada.

There is plenty of utility in Canada for handguns in private hands, and hiking in bear country isn't one of them. You are better off with a rifle.

There's International Sporting Shoot Federation pistol shooting, there's Bullseye pistol shooting held at local clubs, there's International Practical Pistol shooting, International Defensive Pistol Association shoots, Speed Steel, the Canadian National Pistol Championships, etc.

Just because you are narrow minded and think there's no utility for a handgun doesn't mean there isn't. Sport shooting has been around for approximately 200 years.

Taking IDPA as an example, their membership has increased from 2000 to 4000 in Canada in the last decade. You need $$$ to compete in this league. At least $1400 for the gun alone, and that's the cheap part of shooting IPSC. Even Australia, which the anti's ignorantly look at for a gun model has IPSC competitions. They are one of 90 countries that hosts pistol competitions.

Do some research and take a look at the people who participate in these organizations. They look like killers to you? They are filled with all walks of life. Government managers, chiropractors, lawyers, accountants, farmers, factory workers, kids, etc. Seems to be a lot of dentists and IT professionals that are firearms owners as well.


http://www.pistolcanada.ca/

 

[Terminax]

I'm one of the guys with legally procured guns who doesn't have much truck with anything the gun lobby wants. Both sides push their sets of facts to further their agenda of either more guns or less guns, neither platform actually addressing the issues at hand that cause the problems of entrenching criminality. Gun crime is the symptom, not the actual diseases of desperation and want.

 

[poorboy]

I'm one of the guys with legally procured guns who doesn't have much truck with anything the gun lobby wants. Both sides push their sets of facts to further their agenda of either more guns or less guns, neither platform actually addressing the issues at hand that cause the problems of entrenching criminality. Gun crime is the symptom, not the actual diseases of desperation and want.

The gun lobby in Canada has never furthered the agenda of more guns. You're thinking of the NRA. There are only a handful of gun manufacturers in Canada, and even combined, they do not have the financial ability to hire full time lobbyists like in the U.S. The biggest gun manufacturer is Colt Canada, and they had to ask the government for permission to sell to civilians because police and military sales can't sustain them. Military and police do not buy guns that often.

 

[Insidious Von]

The NRA's power is all encompassing, Florida just passed a law allowing teachers to open carry.

And they are suing the State of Washington over gun control measures that 60% of voters approve of.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/nra-sues-to-stop-gun-control-measures-approved-by-wa-voters.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/07/betsy-devos-florida-shooting-students-marjory-stoneman-douglas-school

 

[bluecolt]

There's at least 12 million guns in Canada, with some estimates as high as 20 million. There's no mayhem in Canada.

There is plenty of utility in Canada for handguns in private hands, and hiking in bear country isn't one of them. You are better off with a rifle.

There's International Sporting Shoot Federation pistol shooting, there's Bullseye pistol shooting held at local clubs, there's International Practical Pistol shooting, International Defensive Pistol Association shoots, Speed Steel, the Canadian National Pistol Championships, etc.

Just because you are narrow minded and think there's no utility for a handgun doesn't mean there isn't. Sport shooting has been around for approximately 200 years.

Taking IDPA as an example, their membership has increased from 2000 to 4000 in Canada in the last decade. You need $$$ to compete in this league. At least $1400 for the gun alone, and that's the cheap part of shooting IPSC. Even Australia, which the anti's ignorantly look at for a gun model has IPSC competitions. They are one of 90 countries that hosts pistol competitions.

Do some research and take a look at the people who participate in these organizations. They look like killers to you? They are filled with all walks of life. Government managers, chiropractors, lawyers, accountants, farmers, factory workers, kids, etc. Seems to be a lot of dentists and IT professionals that are firearms owners as well.


http://www.pistolcanada.ca/

Hear, hear. As an owner of many types of guns, including handguns, prohibited and long guns, I applaud you.

The only reason that nottyboi squawks is,
1) he does not own guns,
2) and more probably, he is just trolling his liberalism for adding to his number of posts, or
3) he's trolling to get attention, after all, he is against everything.

 

[nottyboi]

There's at least 12 million guns in Canada, with some estimates as high as 20 million. There's no mayhem in Canada.

There is plenty of utility in Canada for handguns in private hands, and hiking in bear country isn't one of them. You are better off with a rifle.

There's International Sporting Shoot Federation pistol shooting, there's Bullseye pistol shooting held at local clubs, there's International Practical Pistol shooting, International Defensive Pistol Association shoots, Speed Steel, the Canadian National Pistol Championships, etc.

Just because you are narrow minded and think there's no utility for a handgun doesn't mean there isn't. Sport shooting has been around for approximately 200 years.

Taking IDPA as an example, their membership has increased from 2000 to 4000 in Canada in the last decade. You need $$$ to compete in this league. At least $1400 for the gun alone, and that's the cheap part of shooting IPSC. Even Australia, which the anti's ignorantly look at for a gun model has IPSC competitions. They are one of 90 countries that hosts pistol competitions.

Do some research and take a look at the people who participate in these organizations. They look like killers to you? They are filled with all walks of life. Government managers, chiropractors, lawyers, accountants, farmers, factory workers, kids, etc. Seems to be a lot of dentists and IT professionals that are firearms owners as well.


http://www.pistolcanada.ca/

Recreation is not utility, they can particpate in these activities with long guns. Also yes a rifle is better al killing bears, i get that, but a rifle is heavy and awkward if you are hiking and while a pistol does not have the same killing power, I am pretty sure a 9mm semi auto can kill a bear, definitley can hurt it and the noise will probably deter it. What does the cost of participating have to do with legitimacy of a sport? These people can have as much fun with air rifles and air pistols. No need for handguns.

 

[poorboy]

Recreation is not utility, they can particpate in these activities with long guns. Also yes a rifle is better al killing bears, i get that, but a rifle is heavy and awkward if you are hiking and while a pistol does not have the same killing power, I am pretty sure a 9mm semi auto can kill a bear, definitley can hurt it and the noise will probably deter it. What does the cost of participating have to do with legitimacy of a sport? These people can have as much fun with air rifles and air pistols. No need for handguns.

There's no need to eat as much sugar, caffeine and salt that people eat. In fact, they are costing the health care system millions, if not billions.

There's no need for transportation beyond basic 4 wheels and a motor. No one needs a Mercedes with a V8 that burns more fuel than a turbo 4

There's no need for anyone to live in a 4000 square foot house. The energy to heat and cool an old home of that size is wasteful.

There's no need to watch sports and pay athletes millions or dollars when it would be heathier for you to go out and kick a ball around.

Need has nothing to do with it. It's about want, and people want to shoot pistol in Canada and abroad through lawful organizations that are internationally recognized.

Cost of participating shows that it is composed of people who have a job and can afford to shoot as a hobby. There's no drug dealers or gang bangers hanging around your local gun ranges getting ready to shoot the next stage.

 

[kugel2]

'I am pretty sure a 9mm semi auto can kill a bear, definitley can hurt it and the noise will probably deter it." Maybe, if you shoot the bear point blank multiple times in the thinnest part of its skull. But at that range, you'll be shredded before you get a shot off. Won't come anywhere near penetrating deep enough to cause any type of injury or pain to bother it on its body. Bears...you know the guys that climb trees and molest full beehives, get stung hundreds of times like its nothing. Rely on the noise? Then people would take airhorns into the bush instead of bear spray, which is also a last resort. Or maybe shoot the charging bear in the eye, like cops should shoot the gun out of a moving bad guy's hand. If these are the type of things you rate as "pretty sure", then you have defined your credibility. Good work there, Marlin Perkins.

 

[wilbur]

As you can see, the rate of these crimes has more than tripled since then, but some degree of ramping up is to be expected, as police services across the country adapt to a new law. And the number of gun thefts edged downward in 2017, with 1,175 incidents last year."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...crime-accidental-shootings-suicides-1.4803378

The 1175 incidents of 'gun thefts' does not distinguish between handguns and long-guns. Since the debate is about the illegal use of handguns and banning them, the 1175 gun thefts cited is meaningless, as most are long-guns.

The article is dishonest, since it suggests, by the picture of a handgun at the top of the article, that the rest of the figures refer to handguns. An outright fucking lie, written by a so-called journalist with a political agenda.

The Canadian Press article that cited TPS detective di Danielli is also a fucking lie. A licensed individual cannot legally purchase 47 handguns in 4 months, because the Chief Firearms Officer of Ontario would never approve such numbers. They were non-restricted long-guns. So why not ban long-guns? Because there would be too many lost votes at stake.

Let me make this perfectly clear: You cannot legally walk into a gun store and walk out with a handgun. It takes at least 2 weeks to get transfer approval from the ONTARIO PROVINCIAL POLICE.

Don't believe everything you read in the papers.

 

[wilbur]

Recreation is not utility, they can particpate in these activities with long guns. Also yes a rifle is better al killing bears, i get that, but a rifle is heavy and awkward if you are hiking and while a pistol does not have the same killing power, I am pretty sure a 9mm semi auto can kill a bear, definitley can hurt it and the noise will probably deter it. What does the cost of participating have to do with legitimacy of a sport? These people can have as much fun with air rifles and air pistols. No need for handguns.

An angry bear will kill you even after unloading a whole magazine into it. But that's beside the point.

In this country, if you have to justify anything that is not essential, you might as well kiss your SUV goodbye. They crush the occupants of small vehicles in a collision, they burn a lot more fuel and pollute more, make more noise, and generally, have a high carbon footprint when considering manufacturing costs.

No legal handguns in the city because there's no use for them there you say? Then why are you driving, not only a SUV but any car in the city when there's public transportation? Just because you don't want to walk another 5 minutes to the nearest bus stop or subway station. Besides, walking to the corner shop 200 feet away is good for your health.

 

[HOLLYWOODG]

The thing is the money is so good in the illegal gun market. This guy made $100,000 net easily on 64 guns.

He's likely less than the 1% of gun smugglers that have actually been caught.

 

[havingfun]

Wilbur I have a good life. I am not going to mess with an enraged gun-toting dude like you. I get it you don't want anybody contradicting you when you deny and twist the facts. Peace man. eace:

 

[doggystyle99]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...nU-x6Q0bPSOLR2c50sNLaHTTZgfgri46yNz67szttmws0

facing an 8 year sentence... what a fucktard. This moron wants to be a Canadian citizen, I say HELL NO FUCKING WAY IN HADES. He should also be financially liable for the guns he sold and any harm they bring.

I said from the beginning we have to build a wall and make the Americans pay for it. I mean they send us their rapists their felons and some are good.
But seriously illegal guns flowing in from the U.S is a problem and we need to curb it ASAP.

 

[poorboy]

Wilbur I have a good life. I am not going to mess with an enraged gun-toting dude like you. I get it you don't want anybody contradicting you when you deny and twist the facts. Peace man. eace:

You're the hypocrite. In another thread you posted outdated articles, referenced an unsubstantiated source, falsely stated how gun lobbying in Canada works, ignored what career law enforcement professionals in senior positions from the RCMP, OPP and VPD have said and in general know nothing about the subject of firearms, yet feel the need to comment on the subject.

You're also lazy, because everything that Wilbur stated can be verified by calling the Chief Firearms Officer.