US citizen smuggled 64 handguns using NEXUS pass...

danmand

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We have to build a wall to keep the Americans out
 

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https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...nU-x6Q0bPSOLR2c50sNLaHTTZgfgri46yNz67szttmws0

facing an 8 year sentence... what a fucktard. This moron wants to be a Canadian citizen, I say HELL NO FUCKING WAY IN HADES. He should also be financially liable for the guns he sold and any harm they bring.
This type of smuggling is the source of illicit hand guns used to commit the shootings in the GTA. Another man dressed as a priest was caught smuggling gun at the border a while back as well. Members of a Ontario jr. hockey team that has games in Michigan was also approached to be a gun mule. The gun smugglers often have a physical appearance which lets them get away with it and many times they do unlike most of the murderous gun thugs who would stick out like a sore thumb at the border. Banning hand guns in Toronto, shutting down shooting clubs are just superficial actions to make the public believe that the politicians are doing something, but will have little or no affect on the criminals.
 
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This type of smuggling is the source of illicit hand guns used to commit the shootings in the GTA. Another man dressed as a priest was caught smuggling gun at the border a while back as well. Members of a Ontario jr. hockey team that has games in Michigan was also approached to be a gun mule. The gun smugglers often have a physical appearance which lets them get away with it and many times they do unlike most of the murderous gun thugs who would stick out like a sore thumb at the border. Banning hand guns in Toronto, shutting down shooting clubs are just superficial actions to make the public believe that the politicians are doing something, but will have little or no affect on the criminals.
Problem is antis like shack and havingfun don't care. They consciously choose to ignore the facts. Ignorance is the biggest battle legal gun owners face.
 
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It is impossible to believe that he did not know the possible consequences of smuggling guns into Canada. It is guns he was smuggling, not shoes. What the hell does he think people do with guns other than shoot other people. I hope he gets the maximum penalty under the Criminal Code.
 

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I think anyone with a NEXUS pass that is caught guilty of smuggling should also be liable to a 10,000 fine or up to 25% of their net worth as can be proven by the prosecution. This guy should also face a MASSIVE 100K fine in addition to the 8 years in prison.
 

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I think anyone with a NEXUS pass that is caught guilty of smuggling should also be liable to a 10,000 fine or up to 25% of their net worth as can be proven by the prosecution. This guy should also face a MASSIVE 100K fine in addition to the 8 years in prison.
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Gun smugglers like drug dealers dont have any visible means of support so fining them would be a waste of time. Most of them use legal aid for their lawyers. The reality is he will spend at least 2 years in jail waiting for trial and will get 2 for 1 days as time served so thats 4 years of his sentence used up he will be paroled after 2 years of federal pen time in minimum security which is like a country club. After that he will be deported and be free to start his carrier all over again.
 

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Rather surprised the Crown offered him a plea agreement, one of the conditions of a NEXUS Card is that you acknowledge that you will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for violations.
 

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Another prime example of how we'll all be safer with a hand gun ban. Once again, those damn legal Canadian gun owners supplying street gangs. (Sarcasm)
 

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Problem is antis like shack and havingfun don't care. They consciously choose to ignore the facts. Ignorance is the biggest battle legal gun owners face.
1,175 incidents of thefts of legal guns in one year. That is a lot of f**cking guns not coming from across the border. Thems the facts. Time to get your head out of the sand and face the facts. In so many ways, legal gun ownership represents a problem that needs to be controlled - way beyond the controls now in place. Current controls are just not working. A reduction in gun ownership and the types of guns in circulation along with better controls are needed. Those are the facts that the pro-gun lobby consciously chooses to ignore.


"Guns stolen in break and enters
While legal gun owners are being charged less frequently with unsafe storage of a firearm, the number of gun-theft charges has grown.

But the specific offence of "breaking and entering to steal firearm" was only added to the Criminal Code of Canada in 2008 and Statistics Canada only began tracking charges under this law in 2009.

As you can see, the rate of these crimes has more than tripled since then, but some degree of ramping up is to be expected, as police services across the country adapt to a new law. And the number of gun thefts edged downward in 2017, with 1,175 incidents last year."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...crime-accidental-shootings-suicides-1.4803378
 

poorboy

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1,175 incidents of thefts of legal guns in one year. That is a lot of f**cking guns not coming from across the border. Thems the facts. Time to get your head out of the sand and face the facts. In so many ways, legal gun ownership represents a problem that needs to be controlled - way beyond the controls now in place. Current controls are just not working. A reduction in gun ownership and the types of guns in circulation along with better controls are needed. Those are the facts that the pro-gun lobby consciously chooses to ignore.


"Guns stolen in break and enters
While legal gun owners are being charged less frequently with unsafe storage of a firearm, the number of gun-theft charges has grown.

But the specific offence of "breaking and entering to steal firearm" was only added to the Criminal Code of Canada in 2008 and Statistics Canada only began tracking charges under this law in 2009.

As you can see, the rate of these crimes has more than tripled since then, but some degree of ramping up is to be expected, as police services across the country adapt to a new law. And the number of gun thefts edged downward in 2017, with 1,175 incidents last year."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...crime-accidental-shootings-suicides-1.4803378
And you still need to properly source your information.

One of the source information links refers to Di Danieli, whose data cannot be substantiated.

Article also states handgun use specifically, has been on the rise, which are the items being smuggled from the U.S.

Trends have also been downward since 1996

1175 gun thefts is not a lot. There are about 12 million guns in Canada, so .01% of guns were stolen.

There were 85,000 vehicle thefts in Canada.

Current gun control is working. If it wasn't, there would be mayhem out there with 12 million guns in the country. 10 million of which are not registered.

That's why career police officers who have fought crime for at least 25 years each, like RCMP Staff Sergeant Major Dave Woods, Retired OPP Commissioner Rod Davies and Chief Constable of Vancouver John Stewart are not pushing for bans and have stated bans would be ineffective. The Commisioner of the RCMP, Brenda Lucki is not endorsing a gun ban either.

Don't you get it? The very people who are fighting to prevent crime don't support a ban. People with access to subject matter experts, years of experience in both front line policing and major crimes do not support your hairbrained idea.

The Ontario Premier, who has spent a significant amount of time in Chicago, a gun ridden city with strict gun control has also said it doesn't work.

The Liberal Government is only talking about "limiting" access to firearms, and none of his proposals will have any effect because gun owners already meet the criteria outlined. If the Conservatives win, even this will likely be repealed, and there will be NO consideration at all of any type of ban. Scheer has stated this.

So even if you vote for Trudeau who has given away millions to known terrorists, has deficit spent like a drunken sailor and has spent more time travelling than any Prime Minister in history and whose mark on Canada is legal pot, you're not going to get what you want.
 

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Problem is antis like shack and havingfun don't care. They consciously choose to ignore the facts. Ignorance is the biggest battle legal gun owners face.
Saying Canada shouldn't look at gun restrictions because some guns will still get snuck in from the US is like saying we shouldn't have vaccines because they are only 90% effective.

As for gun clubs, a lot of it was neighbourhood groups and NIMBYism rather than politicians making a show on their own. And yes, it was a pain to drive with my buddy down to Niagara the few cases I cared to try it.


p.s. Gun laws (including our current ones) would have to be backed by the courts with heavy sentences for anyone caught violating them.
 

poorboy

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Saying Canada shouldn't look at gun restrictions because some guns will still get snuck in from the US is like saying we shouldn't have vaccines because they are only 90% effective.

As for gun clubs, a lot of it was neighbourhood groups and NIMBYism rather than politicians making a show on their own. And yes, it was a pain to drive with my buddy down to Niagara the few cases I cared to try it.


p.s. Gun laws (including our current ones) would have to be backed by the courts with heavy sentences for anyone caught violating them.
There are enough laws in place. Go look in the Criminal Code with is available on line for free.

Problem is the laws and acts are not sentenced properly.

Judges hand out the lenient sentences, not the lawmakers or enforcers.
 

havingfun

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And you still need to properly source your information.

- Source of the information are police reports. The police reports are for 1,175 gun theft incidents. There is no question of the source.


1175 gun thefts is not a lot.
This the number of theft incidents. Since the average gun owner owns between 3 and 4 guns, the absolute number of guns stolen is higher. And, of course, it is a lot. A guy smuggles in 64 guns and that is considered a lot. Several thousand stolen guns in the hands of criminals is a lot.

There were 85,000 vehicle thefts in Canada.
Meaningless. Red herring.

Current gun control is working.
Not for the people being murdered by them. And yes, people are murdered by people who purchase guns legally. And people are murdered by guns that are stolen from people who purchased them legally.


The rest of your post is drivel. Canadians support stricter gun laws. Look at the polls. There are good reasons why.
 
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