update - Judge blocks Trump admin from pulling funding for sanctuary cities

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He's not coming back because he's probably dead.

You seem to miss the distinction between courts telling the president what treaties to sign and what high level meetings to have with foreign states and Trump telling Bukele that Garcia was sent back by mistake and having him returned to correct the error. That's not foreign affairs, that's a fix-up of the administration's fuck up.
I'm not saying I'm agreeing with Trump, I'm just stating the facts that he's likely not coming back. That's all
 
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Nice try. Garcia may or may not be a whole bunch of stuff, but no one has proven shit. And it's basic to any developed western democracy that you get due process and a court hearing if you're accused of anything.

So it's the legal principal that's fundamental. If you went to the USA and the cops decided that you murdered some guy you'd never even seen and sent you to El S, you'd sure as fuck want a court hearing as well. Because mistakes happen and the wrong people get accused all the time. And if the cops - or ICE - decide they don't even have to justify that suspicion to a judge before sending someone to a death camp, then anyone the cops don't like is going to disappear one day.
He was a proven gangbanger... only the CNN / MSNBC thinks he's a "Maryland dad"? Lol...And El Salvador President will not send him back because he's an El Salvador citizen...
-Trans activism (done)
-DEI (done)
-DOGE cuts (almost done)
-El Salvador citizen deported - the new straw the democrats / liberals is grasping...
The democrats should focus on covering their corruption....Kash Patel will be knocking some doors soon...
 
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We'll see what they do. It's not wise to fuck with judges.

And there are lots of other cases pending before the USSC. And I'm sure 9 very powerful judges would never be spiteful and nasty to a man who just told them to go fuck themselves. Would they?
Over foreign policies... I highly doubt it...
USSC has no jurisdiction over the president of El Salvador when it comes to their citizens...
 

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He was a proven gangbanger... only the CNN / MSNBC thinks he's a "Maryland dad"? Lol...And El Salvador President will not send him back because he's an El Salvador citizen...
-Trans activism (done)
-DEI (done)
-DOGE cuts (almost done)
-El Salvador citizen deported - the new straw the democrats / liberals is grasping...
The democrats should focus on covering their corruption....Kash Patel will be knocking some doors soon...
No, never proven. Only accused. Never had a trial. Stop misinforming.

Kash Patel got fired for ghosting his job like a lazy fucker.
 
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No, never proven. Only accused. Never had a trial. Stop misinforming.

Kash Patel got fired for ghosting his job like a lazy fucker.
He was accused of being an Illegal immigrant...he was..
 

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A federal judge in Massachusetts has moved to prevent President Donald Trump from canceling a program introduced under his predecessor, Joe Biden, that grants parole and the right to work to immigrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela (CHNV).


U.S. District Judge Indira Talwani ruled Monday that migrants from those nations can remain in the United States and continue to seek permission to work legally or apply for adjustment of status.

“If their parole status is allowed to lapse, plaintiffs will be faced with two unfavorable options: continue following the law and leave the country on their own, or await removal proceedings,” Justice Talwani reasoned in her 41-page ruling.



“If plaintiffs leave the country on their own, they will face dangers in their native countries, as set forth in their affidavits.

“For some plaintiffs, leaving will also cause family separation. Leaving may also mean plaintiffs will have forfeited any opportunity to obtain a remedy based on their APA [Administrative Procedure Act] claims, as leaving may moot those claims.”

Under the policy, migrants from the four nations are permitted to stay in America for up to two years while they apply for residency, provided they pass a health and background check and name a financial sponsor.

Half a million people have taken advantage of its protections since its introduction.

Talwani’s intervention prevents Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, who has already ended protections from deportation for immigrants from Afghanistan and Cameroon, from closing the CHNV program by April 24 as she had intended.


The judge at the center of the case is herself, the daughter of immigrants to the United States from India and Germany.

Born in Englewood, New Jersey, on October 6, 1960, Talwani graduated cum laude from Harvard’s Radford College in 1982 and earned her Juris Doctor from the University of California Berkeley’s Boalt Hall School of Law in 1988.

She began her legal career as a clerk to U.S. District Judge Stanley Weigel of the United States District Court for the Northern District of California between 1988 and 1989 and then worked as an associate and then partner at San Francisco law firm Altshuler Berzon LLP, specializing in labor and employment cases.

In 1999, she moved east to take up a position at Boston’s Segal Roitman LLP. Again, she worked in employment litigation and made a name for herself in workplace rights, also overseeing union negotiations and arbitrations.



She was nominated to the bench by Barack Obama in September 2013 to fill the seat vacated by Judge Mark L Wolf and confirmed by the Senate in May 2014.

Her most high-profile case prior to her run-in with the Trump administration was the college admissions scandal of 2019, which saw her sentence Desperate Housewives actress Felicity Huffman to 14 days behind bars after she pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud.


Judge Indira Talwani blocks Trump from ending Biden-era immigration program
 
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He was accused of being an Illegal immigrant...he was..
No. He was accused. He had no trial.

Somebody accuses you of being a murderer. You think you should get a trial to show you didn't kill anyone? Or get sent to prison for life because no one gives a fuck if you're guilty or not?
 

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No. He was accused. He had no trial.

Somebody accuses you of being a murderer. You think you should get a trial to show you didn't kill anyone? Or get sent to prison for life because no one gives a fuck if you're guilty or not?
He can't produce any documentation that he is legal immigrant = illegal immigrant...they get deported. it's his burden to prove he entered the US legally. he wasn't sent to prison, he was deported...now I don''t know if he's in prison in El Salvador...do you?
 

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He can't produce any documentation that he is legal immigrant = illegal immigrant...they get deported.
No.
Not without due process.
Even if you are an illegal immigrant that cannot produce documentation, you need to be presented in immigration court and a removal order needs to be issued.
If removed without such a ruling, it is still unconstitutional.
The only cases where removal without a court ruling are legal are:
- If the detainees agree to waive their hearing and accept removal.
- If the detainee was previously deported and re-entered illegally only to be apprehended again.
- If the detainee was apprehended within 100 miles of the US border, or if they have been in the US for less than 14 days.
I don't believe any of these apply to the person under discussion.
 

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No.
Not without due process.
Even if you are an illegal immigrant that cannot produce documentation, you need to be presented in immigration court and a removal order needs to be issued.
If removed without such a ruling, it is still unconstitutional.
The only cases where removal without a court ruling are legal are:
- If the detainees agree to waive their hearing and accept removal.
- If the detainee was previously deported and re-entered illegally only to be apprehended again.
- If the detainee was apprehended within 100 miles of the US border, or if they have been in the US for less than 14 days.
I don't believe any of these apply to the person under discussion.
Wrong he was found to be a member of MS 13 by a judge. He failed to prove he wasn't.
 

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Typical right winger, you will totally believe anything negative if its about a liberal but never if its about a right winger.
Typical Lefty...believes CNN and MSNBC reports as gospel even when they flat out lie to your face...
 

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I don't check CNN or MSNBC.
try again

There must be some other network you can hate on.
How about the CBC?
So no CNN / MSNBC but look at the tweets you post...straight out of CNN / MSNBC lefty playbook...that's even worse...you got 2nd hand info.
 

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So no CNN / MSNBC but look at the tweets you post...straight out of CNN / MSNBC lefty playbook...that's even worse...you got 2nd hand info.
Richie, you yourself are a caricature MAGA guy.

The real issue is people getting deported without any form of a hearing but you post and rant about trans people being kicked off sports teams - i.e. you're blind to any of the major issues, just as long as someone you hate is getting fucked over. It's all about the hate, right? 🥴
 

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Wrong he was found to be a member of MS 13 by a judge. He failed to prove he wasn't.
No. A judge thought he "might be" and put him on a bail several years ago and then that case never proceeded to a trial. So nothing was ever proved.

In a western democracy, the state proves if you're guilty or not. The individual does not have the burden of proof.
 
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He can't produce any documentation that he is legal immigrant = illegal immigrant...they get deported. it's his burden to prove he entered the US legally. he wasn't sent to prison, he was deported...now I don''t know if he's in prison in El Salvador...do you?
There was a specific judge's order allowing him to stay in the US.
 
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Richie, you yourself are a caricature MAGA guy.

The real issue is people getting deported without any form of a hearing but you post and rant about trans people being kicked off sports teams - i.e. you're blind to any of the major issues, just as long as someone you hate is getting fucked over. It's all about the hate, right? 🥴
He had a hearing and he's got deported notice.
 
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