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University of Virginia Shooting

basketcase

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I would feel a little sympathy if the victims who were gunned downed or assualted by police were actually normal citizens who'd fucking work for their money and not gangbanging criminals.
You mean normal citizens like kids who worked their asses off to earn a scholarship to a university?
 

Darts

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Again, you pushed the idea of success stories. Do you have any actual reason to claim that these kids weren't success stories in progress?
I was commenting on this quote.

"The vast majority of issues affecting the black community stem from historic inequities. The thing is, no matter how many example's I'll list, you won't believe them or find some other reason why that community a mess. It's people like you who say the US had a black president so there can be no racism or some other bullshit. But why don't you read some history books that explain the persistent ways in which POC (especially African-Americans) have been purposefully held back or impeded from improving their social standing."
 

Darts

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Nope, I don't buy the excuse that this shooting happened because of "historical injustices" or even imagined current injustices. My guess is that the shooter was bullied and/or mentally ill.
 
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K Douglas

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See, that's the thing. All lives do matter. But it appears that in the US (and here to an extent), black lives don't. Why do you think the protests sprung up? Its because police (not all obviously) felt they could shoot/kill or choke/abuse black suspects with impunity. And, up until the advent of cell phones, they probably did. There are countless examples of black men being killed due to trigger happy cops or ones that don't follow the correct procedures. I'm a white man, and 20 years ago I would have said most of these types of allegations about the treatment of blacks was bullshit. Now, we've seen what happens. It isn't an exaggeration. They are treated differently, and with deadly consequences.

Remember that kid in Cleveland (I think), who was playing with a toy gun? The cops arrived on the scene and SHOT HIM DEAD in seconds. There was no chance to de-escalate or even tell him to drop the weapon. Just BANG. Would the cops have rolled that aggressively on a white child? Odds are no.

Maybe the slogan should be Black Lives Matter As Well (BLMAW)! Because in many parts of American society, they are disposable people. You look at places like Flint, MI, where the lead in pipes has poisoned hundreds of mostly black children. It's a problem they knew about for years, and did nothing (even to this day).

So, yes all lives matter. But that isn't what is happening in the US, and if you look at how we treat the first nations, up here in Canada.

Anytime someone spouts this "All Lives Matter" bullshit is totally missing the point. BLM is not about the supremacy of blacks, or them wanting special treatment. No, they want to be treated like any other citizen. They don't want to be gunned down or assaulted by police just because they're black. So, it isn't race baiting.
Its a myth that police kill or abuse black suspects with impunity. Several scientific studies on policing have concluded as such. Look them up - Harvard University, Manhattan Institute, University of Maryland, Michigan State University. BLM is an organization that was founded upon a fallacy. And since its inception, it has become increasingly dangerous for police officers, we have seen rising rates of unprovoked attacks targeting law enforcement officials.
 
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basketcase

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Its a myth that police kill or abuse black suspects with impunity. Several scientific studies on policing have concluded as such. Look them up - Harvard University, Manhattan Institute, University of Maryland, Michigan State University. BLM is an organization that was founded upon a fallacy. And since its inception, it has become increasingly dangerous for police officers, we have seen rising rates of unprovoked attacks targeting law enforcement officials.
No one ever said absolute impunity. But look at those studies that someone told you exist. Police use of force is at a much higher rate with black suspects and in many jurisdictions, the police are protected. Thankfully the BLM movement and media attention have forced departments to be much more transparent and have to a large degree driven the use of body cams which everyone (with the exception of dirty cops) thinks is a great idea.
 

basketcase

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Regardless, it's transparent why a thread about three university football players devolves into a discussion about gang violence and why BLM is bad.
 
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canada-man

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Here are two people who don't understand what BLM means. I'm sure they probably have a White Lives Matter or Blue Lives Matter t-shirt or some other silly crap. Why would there be outrage? It's a sad situation that happened here. And I'm sure you'll start talking about black-on-black crime or some other distraction. We don't have many facts about motive on this, and it's disingenuous to pretend this is related to BLM.


So, are you advocating for police to "execute" a murder suspect? That's a pretty fucked up.... Why do I suspect that you're also a Freedom Convoy supporter....which would only make this comment even more hypocritical and fucked up. I mean, if we just allowed the cops to kill anyone suspected of murder (or other crimes), that is pretty much the definition of fascism and the removal of freedom....

BLM steals money from black people

Black Lives Matter leader accused of stealing $10 million from organization - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

Black Lives Matter spent at least $12 million on mansions (nypost.com)

Black Lives Matter is imploding in scandal (nypost.com)
 
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silentkisser

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Its a myth that police kill or abuse black suspects with impunity. Several scientific studies on policing have concluded as such. Look them up - Harvard University, Manhattan Institute, University of Maryland, Michigan State University. BLM is an organization that was founded upon a fallacy. And since its inception, it has become increasingly dangerous for police officers, we have seen rising rates of unprovoked attacks targeting law enforcement officials.
Blacks are stopped and assaulted by police on a significantly higher basis than other groups. That is not a fallacy. The facts are, up until fairly recently, police bad behaviour went unpunished for treating these communities poorly. BLM is not a fallacy, no matter how much the white, er, I mean right, want to pretend it is. And what changed? Not police behaviour, but the fact that there are so many cell phone and security cameras available today that show how brutal the police can be. Then you look at how the courts treat them, with qualified immunity, or how the unions are so powerful that even horrible cops get re-hired, you understand why BLM was started.

As for how much more dangerous it is to be a cop? Well, yes, there have been a range of ambush killings of officers in the past few months, but there are more dangerous jobs in the United States that don't have the same protections or unions at their backs... I mean, according to this list, cops are 22nd:
 
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silentkisser

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I never said the group was not problematic, nor do I believe that all the donations came from black people.... The movement, however, is real and important. I mean, I could argue that Trump has stolen more cash from white conservatives than BLM could dream of, but c'est la vie....
 
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