As this guy points out. There's a sense of entitlement about homeless people there. Just because you set up a tent on the street and take a shit beside it doesn't mean you own the sidewalk.
Unbelievable : Vancouver - drug infestation.
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I dont agree with the "not by choice" narrative with addiction, but I have changed my mind a bit after watching Painkiller on Netflix. I agree on the fentanyl manufacturers. From what I know, it is a rather small and known group. One would expect they could be stopped or controlled quite easily.
Good point. That seems to be a common attitude with homeless people. I can find a little sympathy for people who have hit rock bottom, even if largely due to their own doing. But that sympathy evaporates quickly when someone has an abrasive attitude as cherry on the pie.
I had a shitty experience like that on one of my trips to Canada. After a good day of business, I treated myself to a nice dinner in one of Montreal's great restaurants. Came out of the place feeling good and on my way to the car I passed by a homeless guy, who was sitting on the sidewalk. I has $15 cash in my pocket as change from the restaurant bill. Felt bad for the guy and handed the $15 dollars to him. He looked at the money while I walked on and he yelled at me: "Why dont you give me $30?" It must have been 4 years ago, but it was the last time I gave anything to a homeless person. And as we say in this hobby, I will not repeat.
Yup. Could share a couple of stories. There's a kind of tail wagging the dog situation going on with the homeless taking over most cities and the people supposedly in charge powerless to do anything about it.
I spend a lot of time in the Middle East and Singapore and these problems are non-existent there. These places have zero tolerance laws, which gives law enforcement and the justice system extremely powerful tools. The laws are upheld by the police and the justice system punishes accordingly. But in both places I have seen the police decide from situation to situation what to do with offenders. Modus operandi seems to be that they are lenient as long as you are not a nuisance to the general public. But if you are, they come down heavy handed. This sets clear boundaries and most people therefore respect law enforcement. I understand that these systems open the door to police abuse, but my personal experience is that officers on the street seem to be quite capable of judging situations. I am not claiming it is desirable or can be implemented in a country like Canada, but the zombie-lands in Vancouver and California are also not in the public interest.
Yea. The situation as it is tends to make one (me) of a "final solution" kind of cure. What the fuck happened to society? Back in the "dirty thirties" during the great depression, I'm sure a lot of the disadvantaged were drug and alcohol addicts, but not to the extent of today. The general ethic was that most people were struggling to find work. Not so much today.
This guy instituted boot camps for drug addicts. Army camps where drug addicts were cleaned up for a year with good food, physical exercise and supposedly tough love. Admittedly most of the residents of the downtown east side in Vancouver are past the point of recovery.
Credited as the founding-father of Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew was the first Singaporean prime minister, serving in office from 1959 to 1990. He was internationally recognized for overseeing the transformation of a third-world ex-colony to one of the most prosperous and most stable countries in the world.
Trudeau has normalized the use of drugs.
First with the legalization of weed and allowing it to be smoked absolutely anywhere, even driving down the road.
To now making possession of hard drugs legal, further encouraging more drug use. And no longer enforcing any laws with respect to trafficking.
Amsterdam has now made it illegal to smoke weed in public.
Just saying.
That's been going on since the mid-90's. The inner city was going to shit in the 80's.
I agree with james t kirk. This is exactly the cause of the street problems. As soon as you "normalize" it, you are doomed. You take all the authority of the police and justice system away.
A guy like Trudeau doesnt give a damn. Dont have any illusions that he cares to solve the drugs problem. He normalized drug use to get more tax income to plug the holes in his budget. He "normalizes" drug use, "normalizes" LGBTABCDEFGH etc., brings in refugees and all these things just to get votes from these groups. That average Canadians have to bear the brunt of it, doesnt matter to him at all. He will likely laugh about it while sipping champagne in a tax payers' government jet, on his way to embarrass Canada once again abroad.
Yeah, very valid point. In the 30's great depression time it must have been very similar. Alcohol, opium dens, that kind of stuff. The extent might have actually been just as bad but there were no YouTube or social media to put it in your face like today. It might have been more underground since it was not socially accepted.
Lee Kuan Yew was an incredible figure. For sure he was a dictator level tough guy, but he always seemed to have the interest of average Singaporeans and the improvement of the country as a priority. This is his famous speech when he struck down the Singapore Airlines strike:
Um, how exactly is this Justin Trudeau's fault? Seems to me drug and street crime is more of a municipal and provincial issue. If Ottawa tried to crack down on municipal issues you'd all scream about Ottawa overreaching. If the do nothing you crucify them for it. What do all you F*ck Trudeau dickheads propose they do exactly? Kick out immigrants and blame it on illegals? Stop providing money for social services? Cut funding for health care? That's what PP wants to do.Good job Justin
The Province of BC could very easily enact provincial and municipal bylaws. This is not a Federal matter.
I have little sympathy for most junkies. Taking drugs is a choice.
It's true that there is a genetic component to addiction. Some people may be predisposed to it and that's unfortunate but it doesn't change the fact that taking drugs is a choice. There may be a genetic component to becoming a murderer but murderers must face consequences for their actions regardless.
I love sugar but the food I decide to eat is still a choice.
Governments should not support nor enable addicts.
It's true that there is a genetic component to addiction. Some people may be predisposed to it and that's unfortunate but it doesn't change the fact that taking drugs is a choice. There may be a genetic component to becoming a murderer but murderers must face consequences for their actions regardless.
I love sugar but the food I decide to eat is still a choice.
Governments should not support nor enable addicts.
Many of the homeless people who congregate around Sherbourne and Dundas East know me as 'the water guy', because during the summer months, I hand out a lot of bottles of frozen water to random individuals in the neighbourhood. When someone who didn't get one tells me I'm supposed to give one to everyone, I tell them "I'm not a Care Bear.".
First EDUCATE yourself before you make yourself look like a fool.
The province of B.C. needed the Federal approve to legalize all drugs. So that's on Justin as I stated in a previous post in this thread
Decriminalizing people who use drugs in B.C.
The goal of decriminalizing people who use drugs is to reduce stigma and fear of criminal prosecution that prevents people from reaching out for help, including medical assistance.
www2.gov.bc.ca
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OK, so the province specifically asked for approval? The feds didn't force it on them? So why exactly is this Justin's fault? Does it not fall on the Premier and various mayors in BC? My point still stands that this isn't JT's fault. If he said no to the province he'd be the bad guy for not allowing provinces to govern. He approved their request so it's his fault?
