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UN Watch invited Yemeni/Swedish journalist Luai Ahmed to address the United Nations: “When Arabs kill millions of Arabs, no one bats an eye”

Frankfooter

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Speaking of “Palestinians”.
Turns out they are now protesting Hamas in Gaza strip, and are waving white flags.


Hamas says the aren't interested in running Gaza after the genocide.
So if you want them out, end the genocide.

There are way bigger protests against Netanyahu, Erdogan, trump and genocide in the US and Canada, by the way.
 

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Hamas says the aren't interested in running Gaza after the genocide.
So if you want them out, end the genocide.

There are way bigger protests against Netanyahu, Erdogan, trump and genocide in the US and Canada, by the way.
Who cares what Hamas says. They are terrorist barbarians. They can go fuck themselves. Hope Israelis finish them off soon.
 

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Yet you won't declare Palestinians have rights.
Go ahead.
1) Do Palestinians have the right to self defence against an illegal occupation?
2) Do Palestinians have the right of return?
3) Do Palestinians have the right to self determination?
4) Do Palestinians have the right to self defence against settler terrorism?
5) Do Palestinians deserve equal human rights as Jews under Israeli rule?

Go ahead and confirm whether you're Kahanist or not.
1) You keep claiming Hamas/PIJ/PFLP attacks on Israeli civilians are self defense. They aren't. Hamas is free to attack military targets without hiding among civilians but they refuse to. Even the videos Hamas posted of the 7th and of their attacks on IDF forces in Gaza routinely showing them in civilian clothes instead of following international law about uniformed combatants.
2) Yes, people who lived in Israel who wish to return should be allowed to as part of a peace deal. Of course polls of Palestinians say less than 10% want to live in Israel so it's a pretty moot point (but you don't care what Palestinians want anyway).
3) Yes, Palestinians have a right to self determination. So do Israelis. Sadly you only accept half of that equation.
4) Yes, Palestinians attacked by Settlers can use lethal force to defend themselves against lethal force. They do not have the right to shoot at civilian buses, vehicles, or houses. They don't have the right to gun down people in restaurants, gas stations, or bus stops (I know you'll respond that settlers aren't civilians while also denying you said that).
5) Israel Arabs do have equal rights and overwhelmingly want to remain Israeli. Palestinians overwhelmingly don't want to be Israeli no matter how much you want to force them. But thanks for admitting that you're still pushing a One State peace Palestinians hate.
 

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Yet you won't declare Palestinians have rights.
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And to be fair, your turn.

1) Do you believe that Israel has the right to defend itself from attacks on its civilians?
2) Do Jews living in Israel have the right to continue living in Israel?
3) Do Israelis have the right of self determination?
4) Do Israelis have a right to self defense against Palestinian terrorism?
5) If a One State peace ever happened, do Jews deserve equal rights to live anywhere in that state and pray at any of their holy sites?


Of course you've already said no to all of these, going so far to lie about international law which is very clear on those things.
 

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1) You keep claiming Hamas/PIJ/PFLP attacks on Israeli civilians are self defense. They aren't. Hamas is free to attack military targets without hiding among civilians but they refuse to. Even the videos Hamas posted of the 7th and of their attacks on IDF forces in Gaza routinely showing them in civilian clothes instead of following international law about uniformed combatants.
Of course you argue that its never self defence for Hamas but always self defence, even genocide, when done by Jewish people.

Israel dropped 1000 pound bombs on Hamas and Israelis alike on Oct 7. Israel is just as guilty as Hamas of targeting civilians on Oct 7 and then for a year and a half they killed between 50,000 and 600,000 Palestinians. As usual you are arguing the law doesn't apply to zionists.

2) Yes, people who lived in Israel who wish to return should be allowed to as part of a peace deal. Of course polls of Palestinians say less than 10% want to live in Israel so it's a pretty moot point (but you don't care what Palestinians want anyway).
That means the 5 million Palestinian refugees should also be allowed to return, though you will once again argue that these human rights don't apply to Palestinians, only to Jewish people.

3) Yes, Palestinians have a right to self determination. So do Israelis. Sadly you only accept half of that equation.
I accept both sides of that equation.

4) Yes, Palestinians attacked by Settlers can use lethal force to defend themselves against lethal force. They do not have the right to shoot at civilian buses, vehicles, or houses. They don't have the right to gun down people in restaurants, gas stations, or bus stops (I know you'll respond that settlers aren't civilians while also denying you said that).
But if they reasonably suspect settlers of using violence or being terrorists then they are allowed to attack them in self defence.

5) Israel Arabs do have equal rights and overwhelmingly want to remain Israeli. Palestinians overwhelmingly don't want to be Israeli no matter how much you want to force them. But thanks for admitting that you're still pushing a One State peace Palestinians hate.
No, Israel is apartheid as has been ruled by the ICJ and reported by every major human rights organizations.

As usual, you try to use qualifications to deny human rights to Palestinians.
Each time you refused to say outright that Palestinians have the same rights as Jewish people.
Each times you had to add qualifications to basic human rights and couldn't outright state that Palestinians have the same human rights as Jewish Israelis.
 

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basketcase

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Of course you argue that its never self defence for Hamas but always self defence, even genocide, when done by Jewish people.

Israel dropped 1000 pound bombs on Hamas and Israelis alike on Oct 7. Israel is just as guilty as Hamas of targeting civilians on Oct 7 and then for a year and a half they killed between 50,000 and 600,000 Palestinians. As usual you are arguing the law doesn't apply to zionists.



That means the 5 million Palestinian refugees should also be allowed to return, though you will once again argue that these human rights don't apply to Palestinians, only to Jewish people.


I accept both sides of that equation.



But if they reasonably suspect settlers of using violence or being terrorists then they are allowed to attack them in self defence.


No, Israel is apartheid as has been ruled by the ICJ and reported by every major human rights organizations.

As usual, you try to use qualifications to deny human rights to Palestinians.
Each time you refused to say outright that Palestinians have the same rights as Jewish people.
Each times you had to add qualifications to basic human rights and couldn't outright state that Palestinians have the same human rights as Jewish Israelis.
What a surprise. Instead of addressing my points, you straw man and move the goalposts.

1) Oct 7 was not self defense. It was terrorism or maybe you can call it war crimes (as the ICC and the rest stated).

2) No, descendants of refugees have no right of return. A Palestinian state may choose to provide them expedited citizenship and a negotiated peace deal may fund them but it is not a right. And as I said, it's a moot point as 90 something percent of Palestinians under UNRWA don't want to move to Israel (not that you care what Arabs want).

3) You keep arguing against Israel existing in peace.

4) No, attacking Jews because you suspect they may commit violence at some time in the future is not supported. It's no more valid than the settlers who are terrorists attacking Palestinians because they may engage in violence in the future. You have argued that all Jews in what you consider Palestinian territory are valid targets (while claiming to support equal rights) and have repeatedly justified murders of civilians going about their daily activities.

5) Again, Arab israels have the same legal rights as other Israelis and despite systemic racism, they overwhelmingly want to remain Israeli; a sentiment that grew after hamas' attack on the 7th. The vast majority of other Palestinians refuse to become israeli. I know you're a victorian type elitist but your idea means annexing the West Bank into Israel in flagrant violation of the wishes of Palestinians. You're just going back to your one state bullshit since you've run out of arguments.
 
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What a surprise. Instead of addressing my points, you straw man and move the goalposts.

1) Oct 7 was not self defense. It was terrorism or maybe you can call it war crimes (as the ICC and the rest stated).

2) No, descendants of refugees have no right of return. A Palestinian state may choose to provide them expedited citizenship and a negotiated peace deal may fund them but it is not a right. And as I said, it's a moot point as 90 something percent of Palestinians under UNRWA don't want to move to Israel (not that you care what Arabs want).

3) You keep arguing against Israel existing in peace.

4) No, attacking Jews because you suspect they may commit violence at some time in the future is not supported. It's no more valid than the settlers who are terrorists attacking Palestinians because they may engage in violence in the future. You have argued that all Jews in what you consider Palestinian territory are valid targets (while claiming to support equal rights) and have repeatedly justified murders of civilians going about their daily activities.

5) Again, Arab israels have the same legal rights as other Israelis and despite systemic racism, they overwhelmingly want to remain Israeli; a sentiment that grew after hamas' attack on the 7th. The vast majority of other Palestinians refuse to become israeli. I know you're a victorian type elitist but your idea means annexing the West Bank into Israel in flagrant violation of the wishes of Palestinians. You're just going back to your one state bullshit since you've run out of arguments.
None of that works anymore. It’s an old man script.
 

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What a surprise. Instead of addressing my points, you straw man and move the goalposts.

1) Oct 7 was not self defense. It was terrorism or maybe you can call it war crimes (as the ICC and the rest stated).

2) No, descendants of refugees have no right of return. A Palestinian state may choose to provide them expedited citizenship and a negotiated peace deal may fund them but it is not a right. And as I said, it's a moot point as 90 something percent of Palestinians under UNRWA don't want to move to Israel (not that you care what Arabs want).

3) You keep arguing against Israel existing in peace.

4) No, attacking Jews because you suspect they may commit violence at some time in the future is not supported. It's no more valid than the settlers who are terrorists attacking Palestinians because they may engage in violence in the future. You have argued that all Jews in what you consider Palestinian territory are valid targets (while claiming to support equal rights) and have repeatedly justified murders of civilians going about their daily activities.

5) Again, Arab israels have the same legal rights as other Israelis and despite systemic racism, they overwhelmingly want to remain Israeli; a sentiment that grew after hamas' attack on the 7th. The vast majority of other Palestinians refuse to become israeli. I know you're a victorian type elitist but your idea means annexing the West Bank into Israel in flagrant violation of the wishes of Palestinians. You're just going back to your one state bullshit since you've run out of arguments.
Yup, you're back to denying Palestinians have any rights because of 'reasons' that have to do with their race.
Every single time.

You pretend to support human rights then declare there are 'reasons' why they don't apply.
Same old supremacist shite.
You will list acts that you think disqualify Palestinians from human rights while ignore that Israel is guilty of those same acts along with way worse war crimes, from rape, torture, apartheid, illegal occupation, genocide and deliberately targeting women and children.

 

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Bull.

There was an agreement but Netanyahu refused to honour it and enter into phase two.
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I know you refuse to acknowledge any reality that doesn't fit your crusade but the agreement was Hamas and Israel would negotiate phase 2. Phase 1 ended and no agreement was achieved to move to phase 2 so the ceasefire expired.


and more importantly, does this mean you admit that you are just spamming us with irrelevant tweets (like we all know)?
 

Frankfooter

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I know you refuse to acknowledge any reality that doesn't fit your crusade but the agreement was Hamas and Israel would negotiate phase 2. Phase 1 ended and no agreement was achieved to move to phase 2 so the ceasefire expired.


and more importantly, does this mean you admit that you are just spamming us with irrelevant tweets (like we all know)?
Nope, they had agreed on phase 2 but Netanyahu needed the war to continue to save himself from corruption trials.
Netanyahu and Israel don't want peace, they want apartheid, ethnic cleansing or genocide.

 

Frankfooter

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And in the world of massive humanitarian crises you don't care about simply because you find it harder to blame Jews,

Even AJ reports on it even though you don't care.
Canada and the US aren't buying the bombs for Sudan.
Nobody on here calls for more killing in Sudan.

Zionists are very special that way.


 
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