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UN Secretary-General Says We Have A Year and a Half to Avoid 'Runaway' Climate Change

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- Feb. 8, 2016 -- A new gem. He said the graphs on NASA's Vital Signs of the Planet page were "fake": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...=1#post5470561. He repeated the claim on Feb. 13 when he said NASA graphs had been "possibly doctored": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...=1#post5473971

- Feb. 11, 2016 -- He dismissed NASA GISS director Gavin Schmidt's graph of temperature anomalies as "dodgy": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...=1#post5472913

- Feb. 11, 2016 -- He said NASA GISS director Gavin Schmidt's Twitter account isn't "legit": https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...=1#post5472991

- Feb. 20, 2016 -- He said it was a "blatantly false claim" that the difference between 0.74 and 0.84 is 0.10: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...=1#post5479780
 

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"Al" is quite the expert on science and math. Here's an updated version of Frankfooter's greatest hits of the past few months.
Dude!

I had no idea you were just another moviefan avatar.
Now that you've been shamed with stupid posts twice in a row here you want to go back and bask in the embarrassment that was moviefan's bets?
Holy crap!

Fine.

Take any one of those claims from moviefan and I'll prove that its total bullshit, like your posts here.
I'd even bet you that I can show any of those claims are wrong with loser deleting their accounts forever, but since you are likely moviefan under another name it would be pointless as you wouldn't honour your word.
 

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climate alarmists get triggered when exposed as a propagandist



realclimate.org
https://climatechangedispatch.com/truth-about-real-climate/


RealClimate.org is assumed by those who do not know any better to be an “objective” source on climate change. It features activist scientists with degrees in Geology, Geosciences, Mathematics, Oceanography and Physics who are all self proclaimed “climatologists”.

Yet skeptical scientists with equivalent credentials are not (probably because they have not proclaimed it). Essentially the site exists to promote global warming alarm-ism and attack anyone who does not agree with their declaration of doomsday (proven of course by their own computer climate models) and the need for government intervention against the life supporting, atmospheric trace gas, carbon dioxide.

Standard operating procedure is to post “rebuttals” to everything they disagree with and then declare victory, making sure to censor comments challenging their position. It doesn’t matter if they actual rebutted any of the science or facts just so long as they provide the existence of a criticism. This gives their fanboys “ammunition” to further promote alarmist propaganda across the Internet (and of course declare victory).

Their resident propagandist William Connolley’s job is to edit dissent and smear skeptical scientists on Wikipedia. In the world of global warming alarmist “science” pretending you win is apparently all that matters because in real debates they lose.

The truth is that RealClimate.org is an environmentalist shill site directly connected to an eco-activist group, Environmental Media Services and Al Gore but they don’t want you to know that.


https://climatechangedispatch.com/truth-about-real-climate/

EMS is the communications arm of leftist public relations firm Fenton Communications. Based in Washington, in the same office suite as Fenton, EMS claims to be “providing journalists with the most current information on environmental issues.” A more accurate assessment might be that it spoon-feeds the news media sensationalized stories, based on questionable science, and featuring activist “experts,” all designed to promote and enrich David Fenton’s paying clients, and build credibility for the nonprofit ones. It’s a clever racket, and EMS & Fenton have been running it since 1994. […]

It’s called “black marketing,” and Environmental Media Services has become the principal reason Fenton Communications is so good at it. EMS lends an air of legitimacy to what might otherwise be dismissed (and rightly so) as fear-mongering from the lunatic fringe. In addition to pre-packaged “story ideas” for the mass media, EMS provides commentaries, briefing papers, and even a stable of experts, all carefully calculated to win points for paying clients. These “experts,” though, are also part of the ruse. Over 70% of them earn their paychecks from current or past Fenton clients, all of which have a financial stake in seeing to it that the scare tactics prevail. It’s a clever deception perpetrated on journalists who generally don’t consider do-gooder environmentalists to be capable of such blatant and duplicitous “spin.”



EMS is the communications arm of leftist public relations firm Fenton Communications. Based in Washington, in the same office suite as Fenton, EMS claims to be “providing journalists with the most current information on environmental issues.” A more accurate assessment might be that it spoon-feeds the news media sensationalized stories, based on questionable science, and featuring activist “experts,” all designed to promote and enrich David Fenton’s paying clients, and build credibility for the nonprofit ones. It’s a clever racket, and EMS & Fenton have been running it since 1994. […]

It’s called “black marketing,” and Environmental Media Services has become the principal reason Fenton Communications is so good at it. EMS lends an air of legitimacy to what might otherwise be dismissed (and rightly so) as fear-mongering from the lunatic fringe. In addition to pre-packaged “story ideas” for the mass media, EMS provides commentaries, briefing papers, and even a stable of experts, all carefully calculated to win points for paying clients. These “experts,” though, are also part of the ruse. Over 70% of them earn their paychecks from current or past Fenton clients, all of which have a financial stake in seeing to it that the scare tactics prevail. It’s a clever deception perpetrated on journalists who generally don’t consider do-gooder environmentalists to be capable of such blatant and duplicitous “spin.”


Fenton Communications (Discover the Networks)

Foremost public relations firm of the political left. Past clients have included Marxist dictatorships in Central America. Represents environmentalist groups, pro-Democratic political action committees, labor unions, and the anti-war movement.

Founded in 1982 by activist and public relations veteran David Fenton, Fenton Communications (FC) is the leading advertising and public relations firm for advocacy groups on the political left, with locations in Washington DC, New York, and San Francisco.

FC serves as an “umbrella” for “three independent nonprofit organizations” which it co-founded. These include: Environmental Media Services, which manages publicity efforts for environmental groups; New Economy Communications, a social justice group; and the Death Penalty Information Center, an anti-death penalty lobby.

FC expressly refuses to represent “clients and projects that we don’t believe in ourselves.” Among the clients and projects that FC has worked for are Marxist-Leninist regimes in Central America and Africa, environmental groups, labor unions, and anti-war organizations. In addition, FC has offered its services to pro-Democrat political action committees and law firms, as well as to political campaigns against the death penalty and gun-ownership rights. […]

Equally noteworthy has been FC’s business partnership with environmental groups. In 1988 and 1989, FC helped one such organization, the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC), promote misleading claims about the dangers of Alar, a pesticide then in use by the apple industry. On the basis of NRDC’s study of Alar, itself based on exaggerated probabilities rather than concrete empirical data, FC launched a media campaign that stoked consumers’ fears and captured the interest of television news programs, daily newspapers and daytime talk shows, fueling a backlash against apple growers. By some estimates, the apple industry suffered $200 million in lost revenue as a result of the FC campaign.

By contrast, FC and its client prospered. David Fenton subsequently boasted that his firm had “designed” the media campaign “so that revenue would flow back to NRDC from the public,” noting that FC had gained “$700,000 in net revenues from it.” Fenton Communications today cites the Alar campaign as a significant contribution to the “national debate” on pesticides. […]

Joining forces with the Environmental Working Group, FC has also engineered media campaigns exaggerating the dangers posed by pesticides in tap water and baby food.

In 2003 FC created an ad campaign targeting the automotive industry for the Evangelical Environmental Network. The controversial ads alleged that consumers who bought sport utility vehicles were, in effect, supporting terrorism by using large amounts of fuel imported from the Middle East. […]

Arlie Schardt, a senior consultant at Fenton Communications and Chairman of Environmental Media Services, served as Al Gore’s national press secretary during his first presidential campaign.

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/organizations/fenton-communications-fc/
 

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climate alarmists get triggered when exposed as a propagandist
Deniers can't actually debate or talk about the issues.
The best the can do is copy and paste, and then after embarrassed repeatedly try to change the subject with some fresh copy and pasting.

You still couldn't tell me why you think your 'gas analysis' CO2 readings weren't contaminated by locations too close to urban or rural pollution.
 

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The problem with these threads is that they are filled with a bunch of posters (myself included) who don’t have the science chops to have a meaningful debate.
You could accept mainstream opinion if you don't know enough about a field, after all usually the big heads know a thing or two and even if they get it wrong it is based on the best information they have at the time and again, is an outsider really in a position to access and judge the information.

However that is stupid talk.

The reality is 99% + of global scientists are united in a conspiracy to hide the fact that the real issue isn't green house gases but how when the Sun and the planets go around our 6000 year old flat earth causing the cats get a bit jumpy and try to knock everything over the edge of the said earth. I figured this out when I was hanging upside down to turn gravity from a toxin into a medicine while taking my urine vaccine and eating deer instead of cattle to make me more spiritual and lots of cocoa which is planetary aligned with the sun and is the same octave. It helps that I never got the Autism from the vaccines.

Just kidding, we all know gravity is a hoax. ;)

Yeah there are people who believe everything except the cats part and quote "science" to back it up and people fall for this shit. I know two of them in real life. There is David "Avocado" Wolfe for a more well known example.

So either I can believe that just about everyone in the industry is part of some conspiracy, that all those egg heads are dangerously incompetent or maybe they might be on to something.
 

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The problem with these threads is that they are filled with a bunch of posters (myself included) who don’t have the science chops to have a meaningful debate.

It is insanely idiotic to say there is a 18month window on anything as complex and expansive as climate. UN Sec is just another person without the science chops.

The other problem with these threads is that they focus on admiring or denying the problem but never on impacting the problem.
You don't have to have the "science chops" to have a meaningful debate. The science really isn't that complicated. The alarmists would like to have you believe it's complicated which is why they go on their bullshit baffles brains tangents. At the end of the day the facts are quite simple

1. For the majority of the history of this planet co2 levels far exceeded today's 410 ppm. We are in a period of relative co2 starvation.
2. Temperature and co2 levels positively correlate over much of Earth's history, but no scientist has definitively proven that either directly affects the other.
3. There is no such thing as a global temperature or a global climate. Climates are regional and are affected by many factors.
4. co2 is a trace gas in the atmosphere at about 0.04% of the air molecule composition. Quite often expressed as 400 parts per million. To put that into perspective think of a football stadium with 100,000 seats. 40 of them are co2.
 

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You could accept mainstream opinion if you don't know enough about a field, after all usually the big heads know a thing or two and even if they get it wrong it is based on the best information they have at the time and again, is an outsider really in a position to access and judge the information.

However that is stupid talk.

The reality is 99% + of global scientists are united in a conspiracy to hide the fact that the real issue isn't green house gases but how when the Sun and the planets go around our 6000 year old flat earth causing the cats get a bit jumpy and try to knock everything over the edge of the said earth. I figured this out when I was hanging upside down to turn gravity from a toxin into a medicine while taking my urine vaccine and eating deer instead of cattle to make me more spiritual and lots of cocoa which is planetary aligned with the sun and is the same octave. It helps that I never got the Autism from the vaccines.

Just kidding, we all know gravity is a hoax. ;)

Yeah there are people who believe everything except the cats part and quote "science" to back it up and people fall for this shit. I know two of them in real life. There is David "Avocado" Wolfe for a more well known example.

So either I can believe that just about everyone in the industry is part of some conspiracy, that all those egg heads are dangerously incompetent or maybe they might be on to something.
The reality is you have been duped by thinking that 99% of scientists believe in man made climate change. It's a fallacy that has been disproved multiple times.
 

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Deniers can't actually debate or talk about the issues.
The best the can do is copy and paste, and then after embarrassed repeatedly try to change the subject with some fresh copy and pasting.

You still couldn't tell me why you think your 'gas analysis' CO2 readings weren't contaminated by locations too close to urban or rural pollution.
constantly crying deniers is not an argument does not change the fact that your sources are funded by PR firms, activists and eco hypocrites

one of which is inside climate news as an outfit funded by the traitorous and eugenic advocate Rockefellers who did business with Nazi Germany
 

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constantly crying deniers is not an argument does not change the fact that your sources are funded by PR firms, activists and eco hypocrites

one of which is inside climate news as an outfit funded by the traitorous and eugenic advocate Rockefellers who did business with Nazi Germany
Still can't even debate what you posted about CO2?
Spam, spam, spam.....
 

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Still can't even debate what you posted about CO2?
Spam, spam, spam.....
debate what? all you are doing is dismissing everything you don't like. all you do is spreading propaganda
 

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350.org was founded in 2008 by Middlebury College professor and journalist Bill McKibben. Its name comes from McKibben’s view that the world will not be safe from global warming unless the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere falls to 350 parts per million or below.[4]

a college prof with no science and climate background founded a bullshit website that constantly asking for money



350.org does not disclose its donors. However, it has admitted to receiving funding from The Tides Foundation, a San Francisco-based donor-advised fund that has funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to liberal groups from donors and foundations wishing to remain anonymous.[24] Groups linked to George Soros and Tom Steyer have also contributed extensively to 350.org.


the tides foundation the same people that is interfering in the Internal affairs of Canada a sovereign nation


https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/350-org/



https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/rockefellers-behind-scruffy-little-outfit


and the Rockefellers the same traitors that funds insideclimatenews are also funding 350.org


In the interest of fairness and transparency, McKibben should fully disclose 350.org’s funding and the Rockefellers and other charitable foundations that have been bankrolling the anti-Keystone campaign should come out from the shadows.

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/rockefellers-behind-scruffy-little-outfit
 

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350.org was founded in 2008 by Middlebury College professor and journalist Bill McKibben.
OMG, a college professor.

Seriously, is that all you've got, thanks for confirming 430.org is a solid and non-controversial source.

And complaining about sources while you keep posting stuff that actually is funded as disinformation is highly ridiculous.
You really can't tell legit sources from bullshit, can you?
 

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The chart only goes back 400,000 years. The Earth is 4.5B years old. 400,000 years is a blip.
Numbskulls like Bill McKibben naively think that the climate is some stable thing then we humans starting burning fossil fuels, raised cattle and bought SUV's and upset the balance. Now that's poppycock.
 

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OMG, a college professor.

Seriously, is that all you've got, thanks for confirming 430.org is a solid and non-controversial source.

And complaining about sources while you keep posting stuff that actually is funded as disinformation is highly ridiculous.
You really can't tell legit sources from bullshit, can you?
You wouldn't know a legitimate source if it came up and smacked you in the head. Given the tripe you post on here I have serious questions about whether you are even playing with a full deck.
 

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The chart only goes back 400,000 years. The Earth is 4.5B years old. 400,000 years is a blip.
Numbskulls like Bill McKibben naively think that the climate is some stable thing then we humans starting burning fossil fuels, raised cattle and bought SUV's and upset the balance. Now that's poppycock.
Here's a chart that goes back 400 million years.
Check it out and tell us which years you'd like the planet to now replicate, as far as CO2 and climate goes.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14845/figures/4

Of course the climate isn't stable, we've just been really lucky to have evolved during a relatively stable period. Course we just changed that.
 

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OMG, a college professor.

Seriously, is that all you've got, thanks for confirming 430.org is a solid and non-controversial source.

And complaining about sources while you keep posting stuff that actually is funded as disinformation is highly ridiculous.
You really can't tell legit sources from bullshit, can you?
yes a college prof with no science background who is begging people on the internet for money. you claim to attend university and have a degree but display poor research skills
 

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I say we set Trump on fire to show there's nothing to worry about.
 

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yes a college prof with no science background who is begging people on the internet for money. you claim to attend university and have a degree but display poor research skills
And are you willing to apply the same standards to everything you post?
That would mean that absolutely nothing of what you posted here would stand, you know.
 
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