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No. Russia have no debt! War will be over by this late summer or Autumn this year. Ukraine will run out of amino and they already running out of Soviets built SAM to defend their Ukrainian air space. When they run out of missile for Air defence then Russia have control of the sky.
They are losing tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers upwards of 400,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers. Not substantiable. So faster they ukraine lose this war… then then real peace talk can begin good for every citizens of the world to prevent a nuclear holocaust.

PS. All it take is one mistake to escalate , and then it becomes a poker mentality everyone doubles up and bluff and don’t back down. We can have a start nuclear war … that not good!
Keep in mind that Russia debt even if very small ....their borrowing power lies only with the Chinese and maybe the Saudis if not overly pressured by the US.

As for the Sam defense systems if still in use have been replaced or in the mix of being replaced by more sophisticated American patriot systems as well as other European systems.

Casualties are always hard to assess but the numbers will be debatable now and for years to come but your sources seem to more than double the assessments from agencies on the ground .

Personally I don't see a quick resolution based on what's said from both sides
 

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No. Russia have no debt! War will be over by this late summer or Autumn this year.
You also insisted that Odessa would be flattened and the world's factories would grind to a halt in January because there would be no helium to make PCB's.


Ukraine will run out of amino and they already running out of Soviets built SAM to defend their Ukrainian air space. When they run out of missile for Air defence then Russia have control of the sky.
Yeah out of Soviet shit.

But in case you haven't heard this in Siberia yet, Patriot missile systems arrived in Ukraine. Many other advanced WESTERN air defense systems are already either in the front lines or enroute as we speak. And there are still lots of bb guns and Stingers to shoot down any dumb Russian pilots in old Sukhoi's and shitbox choppers that dare to show their tailpipes.

And where are your hypersonic missiles that were going to end the world you dumb mutt?


They are losing tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers upwards of 400,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers. Not substantiable.
You are so Russian in reversing, inflating, exaggerating everything.

Thousands of tonnes of Russian swine meat are being machine gunned and blown to ground pork by precise M777 and Himars strikes. And not even Ukraine is claiming that 400,000 Russians haveeven been sent to Ukraine! Or was moth not your strong suit in Engineering school? lol


So faster they ukraine lose this war… then then real peace talk can begin good for every citizens of the world to prevent a nuclear holocaust.

PS. All it take is one mistake to escalate , and then it becomes a poker mentality everyone doubles up and bluff and don’t back down. We can have a start nuclear war … that not good!
You do realize that ONLY Russia has nuclear weapons in this war. And ONLY Russia has threatened to use them.

But according to your and the other fuckwit phony-excusenik, Russia is BEING FORCED to do whatever the fuck they want because they are scared of anyone who fights back and won't bend over and get raped and murdered.

Fucking psychopaths...
 

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But in case you haven't heard this in Siberia yet, Patriot missile systems arrived in Ukraine. Many other advanced WESTERN air defense systems are already either in the front lines or enroute as we speak. And there are still lots of bb guns and Stingers to shoot down any dumb Russian pilots in old Sukhoi's and shitbox choppers that dare to show their tailpipes.
OMG the PaTrIoT missile system :ROFLMAO:

An early 1980s outdated missile system that is being delivered to Ukraine. And that too 1 battery lol.

If the west has delivered so many advanced systems, did you ever ask your dumbass why the Russians are still there?

Heck if you are going to deliver weapons atleast give them the most modern equipment so they can beat the Russians back and win the war pronto.

Oh wait. That wont help the military industrial complex and their proxy war goals.

You morons with your idiotic fantasies and your psychopathic support for proxy wars at someone else's expense. Oh wait, I forgot your were all morally superior :ROFLMAO:
 
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OMG the PaTrIoT missile system :ROFLMAO:

An early 1980s outdated missile system that is being delivered to Ukraine. And that too 1 battery lol.

If the west has delivered so many advanced systems, did you ever ask your dumbass why the Russians are still there?

Heck if you are going to deliver weapons atleast give them the most modern equipment so they can beat the Russians back and win the war pronto.

Oh wait. That wont help the military industrial complex and their proxy war goals.

You morons with your idiotic fantasies and your psychopathic support for proxy wars at someone else's expense. Oh wait, I forgot your were all morally superior :ROFLMAO:
1: So which is it, shit from the 80's or so many advanced systems.
2: The older stuff they are sending is still good enough to shut down the Russian advancements. Sure they made moves in taking severedonuts and area but that was ages ago and Ukraine took back the west of the Dniper and plenty of clay up north. And don't even start about Bakhmut. Look at a map of the Ukraine showing changes from Jan to now and it's hardly noticeable .
3: Hmmm severe donuts <homer slobber>
4: Why not send the previous generation stuff. It will get replaced soon or already has been replaced by newer gear and it still is enough to do the job at no cost to us and plenty of cost to Mudder Russia
5: Considering Poutine has been reduced to sending T62 and T55 tanks to the front, anti tank gear from the 80s is more than enough
6: NATO haven't been sending all that much stuff, they have been sending small amounts of a lot of different gear. Send over those 3K M1 tanks in storage and see what happens. Sending as you say a battary of various items isn't enough to stop Russia cold... oh wait, apparently it is.
7: Hey if it was up to me, after the first month or 2 after it became apparent that the Ukrainians had some elbows I'd be going full potato in getting Ukrainians back to NATO countries to be trained up on whatever we can send. Anything Russian that is killed is something Euro NATO doesn't have to worry about.
8: OTOH the US does have to be ready incase Lil Kim in Best Korea starts something, or Taiwan or whatever... however they do have a lot of kit in storage that they could be sending and should have by now... and sending to Taiwan and Kpop Korea for that matter.

If it was all about the miitary industrial complex, there would be even more systems being sent over, not just by NATO, South Korea, Japan and loads of other countries have arms industries, send over a bit of a sample, give the Ukrainians the ability to test their systems in actual combat and build up some good will. A good chance to get some contracts for when Ukraine goes into rebuilding their army after this is all over.
 

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1: So which is it, shit from the 80's or so many advanced systems.
2: The older stuff they are sending is still good enough to shut down the Russian advancements. Sure they made moves in taking severedonuts and area but that was ages ago and Ukraine took back the west of the Dniper and plenty of clay up north. And don't even start about Bakhmut. Look at a map of the Ukraine showing changes from Jan to now and it's hardly noticeable .
3: Hmmm severe donuts <homer slobber>
4: Why not send the previous generation stuff. It will get replaced soon or already has been replaced by newer gear and it still is enough to do the job at no cost to us and plenty of cost to Mudder Russia
5: Considering Poutine has been reduced to sending T62 and T55 tanks to the front, anti tank gear from the 80s is more than enough
6: NATO haven't been sending all that much stuff, they have been sending small amounts of a lot of different gear. Send over those 3K M1 tanks in storage and see what happens. Sending as you say a battary of various items isn't enough to stop Russia cold... oh wait, apparently it is.
7: Hey if it was up to me, after the first month or 2 after it became apparent that the Ukrainians had some elbows I'd be going full potato in getting Ukrainians back to NATO countries to be trained up on whatever we can send. Anything Russian that is killed is something Euro NATO doesn't have to worry about.
8: OTOH the US does have to be ready incase Lil Kim in Best Korea starts something, or Taiwan or whatever... however they do have a lot of kit in storage that they could be sending and should have by now... and sending to Taiwan and Kpop Korea for that matter.

If it was all about the miitary industrial complex, there would be even more systems being sent over, not just by NATO, South Korea, Japan and loads of other countries have arms industries, send over a bit of a sample, give the Ukrainians the ability to test their systems in actual combat and build up some good will. A good chance to get some contracts for when Ukraine goes into rebuilding their army after this is all over.
Stop saying stupid shit. Arm chair military strategist here who knows everything about Russian and western military reserves. No civilian really knows. The only thing we know is no weapon system used in this war is superior to the other. A lot of western equipment have been destroyed by the Russians too.

When this is over, Ukraine will be a poor, destitute country.

This proxy war is about weakening Russia, not helping Ukraine. But of course we have nukes in the mix which Russia is now threatening to use.

This war will end with negotiations and Ukraine possibly losing some territory for an uneasy truce.

So stop being naive, and fantasizing about some glorious Ukrainian victory.
 

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Fucking psychopaths...
Psychopath are the Urkanine Nazis ( Azov) who artillery shelled & killed ten of thousands of innocent Russian speaking people in DonBass in 2014 region . Ukraine will cease to exist as a nation. Poland will take control ( via Trojan Horse method) North of Ukraine including Kiev with the blessing from President Zelensky.

Then south of Ukraine the annex part of Ukraine that became Russia including Crimea & Odessa. Millions of Ukraine refugees that left Ukraine will never come back to Ukraine. Ukraine as a country is finished…that the reality. And over 400,000 young Ukraine soldiers soldiers that got draft and in the prime of their life are crippled or dead from this stupid proxy war ( start by USA “ orange revolution” ).

And this proxy war will be over when Ukraine run out of shells and Soviet build SAM. I will not shed a single tear for this Ukraine NaziS. The faster Ukraine surrender the better it is for the world . ( No nuclear holocaust).
 

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IA, UKRAINE, WIKILEAKS
Leaks Spelling the End for Ukraine
April 17, 2023
Leaked U.S. intelligence documents have exposed Western disinformation about Ukraine winning the war. Now the heavy fighting moves to Washington, writes Joe Lauria.

By Joe Lauria

Special to Consortium News



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Washington Post headline last week was a bombshell for someone who has only been reading about the Ukraine war in The Washington Post and other Western media: “U.S. doubts Ukraine counteroffensive will yield big gains, leaked document says.”

The story admits that Western media audiences have been misled about the course of the war, that essentially what mainstream media has been reporting about Ukraine has been a pack of lies: namely that Ukraine is winning the war and is poised to launch an offensive that will lead to a final victory.

Instead, the second paragraph of the piece makes clear the leaked documents show the long-planned Ukrainian offensive will fail miserably — “a marked departure from the Biden administration’s public statements about the vitality of Ukraine’s military.”

In other words, U.S. officials have been lying about the state of the war to the public and to reporters who have faithfully reported their every word without a hint of skepticism.

The Post said, as if it’s a bad thing, that the leaks will likely “embolden critics who feel the United States and NATO should do more to push for a negotiated settlement to the conflict.”

That has begun to happen. Writing in the uber-Establishment Foreign Affairs, former State Department official Richard Haass and Charles Kupchan, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, write that “it is difficult to feel sanguine about where the war is headed.”

In “The West Needs a New Strategy in Ukraine: A Plan for Getting From the Battlefield to the Negotiating Table,” they say:

“The best path forward is a sequenced two-pronged strategy aimed at first bolstering Ukraine’s military capability and then, when the fighting season winds down late this year, ushering Moscow and Kyiv from the battlefield to the negotiating table.”
The article does not mention the leaks, though it was published after the disclosures made clear that the Ukrainian offensive, intended to break through Russia’s land bridge to Crimea, would fail.

Filled with the usual talk about Ukraine having better “operational skill” than Russia, and that the war will end in a “stalemate,” the piece represents an emerging strategy in the West: namely that before negotiating, Ukraine needs to launch its offensive to gain back some territory, “imposing heavy losses on Russia, foreclosing Moscow’s military options, and increasing its willingness to contemplate a diplomatic settlement.”

But that is a tall order. Moscow would be unlikely to negotiate at the end of the Ukrainian offensive, particularly as the article admits the “Russian military’s numerical superiority” and that Ukraine is “facing growing constraints on both its own manpower and help from abroad.”

Moscow was ready to cut a deal with Kiev one month after Russia’s intervention but the West, with its strategy of lengthening the war to weaken Russia, quashed it. Why would Moscow accept a deal now when Ukraine is at its weakest and Russia is poised to make significant gains on the battlefield?

The Foreign Affairs piece admits, “This diplomatic gambit may well fail. Even if Russia and Ukraine continue to take significant losses, one or both of them may prefer to keep fighting.”

“Come the end of this fighting season,” the article says, “the United States and Europe will also have good reason to abandon their stated policy of supporting Ukraine for ‘as long as it takes,’ as U.S. President Joe Biden has put it.”

And what comes next? “NATO allies would start a strategic dialogue with Russia on arms control and the broader European security architecture.”

Incredibly this is what Russia was asking for before its February 2022 intervention and it was rebuffed by NATO and the U.S. Now a Foreign Affairs article is recommending it.

Is there no better sign that Ukraine has lost this war?

Going Ahead With the Offensive Anyway

The strategy of Ukraine going ahead with an offensive it knows will achieve little is Kiev’s last gasp — unless delusional neocons continue to outmaneuver the realists in Washington.

Most importantly for the West, the failure of this last-gasp attempt would serve as a way for it to escape the disaster it has created for itself: namely, the backfiring of the economic war on Russia; the failure of the information war in the non-West and ultimately defeat on the battlefield in its proxy war.

Already in February, French President Emmanuel Macron, who is also pushing this strategy, and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenksy that the game was up. This news was brought to us by the establishment Wall Street Journal.

And then ten days later U.S. intelligence provided a story to The New York Times that a pro-Ukraine “group,” and possibly the Ukrainian government itself, was behind the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines, a way of distancing the U.S. from Kiev as the exit ramp looms into sight.

Why Did the MSM Publish the Leaks?

Why did the Times, the Post and other establishment outlets publish stories about these leaks if they severely undermined their own credibility? There are three possibilities.

The first is simply competition. The Times or the Post may have gotten word that their rival had their hands on the leaks and did not want to be beat. There is almost nothing worse for an editor or reporter (in the petty world of journalism) then having to “match” a competitors’ story.

The second reason has to do with keeping up appearances. These leaks were eventually to come out somewhere and may not have been easily ignored. What would it have looked like if the big papers didn’t have it first?

More importantly, corporate journalism needs to keep up the pretense that it is actually doing journalism, i.e. that it will publish material from time to time that makes their governments look bad, and in this case, even themselves. They have to convince the public that they haven’t entirely given up on adversarial journalism if they are to survive.

It was the same when corporate outlets partnered with WikiLeaks in 2010 to publish leaks that exposed U.S. war crimes. But eventually the media turned on Assange and WikiLeaks,and fell into line with the state.

Why the Media Went After the Leaker

And that it is indeed what has happened here. After splashy stories about the leaks, the Times and the Post, teaming with Western intelligence-backed Bellingcat, turned their attention to finding the leaker, in what Elizabeth Vos in an article today on Consortium News argues makes corporate media the anti-WikiLeaks.

Rather than protecting the source of leaks, vital to the public, they hunted down the alleged leaker, 21-year old Air National Guardsman Jack Texiera, who was arrested by military-clad F.B.I. agents outside his Massachusetts home.

So what is the third reason why the major media published the leaks?

Very likely for the same reason they published the stories about Macron and Scholz telling Zelensky he’s lost the war, and that the Ukrainian government may have been responsible for the Nord Stream sabotage: to lay the ground work for the U.S. and its allies to pull the plug on their Ukrainian adventure by finally admitting Ukraine is losing.

Towards that end, there is speculation that Texiera did not act alone with the motive of impressing his teenage followers on the Discord chat forum, as the press has reported.

Former C.I.A. analyst Larry Johnson believes Texiera was set up, possibly by a senior officer. Johnson thinks this because among the documents Texiera allegedly leaked was one from the Central Intelligence Agency Operations Center, where Johnson used to work.

“CIA Operations Center produces two daily reports — one in the morning and one in the afternoon. It is not a ‘Community’ product, i.e., it is not distributed to the other intelligence agencies. It is an internal CIA document (of course, it is available to the Director of National Intelligence), ” Johnson wrote on his website Son of the New American Revolution.

Texiera was not in the C.I.A. so there is no way he’d have access to an Operations Center document, Johnson wrote. So how did he get his hands on it?

The implication is that Texiera may have been a patsy for someone within the realist wing of the U.S. military or intelligence establishment who opposes the neocons’ obsession with continuing the war at all costs.

The neocons are not going down without a fight. John Bolton, the former U.S. national security advisor and chief neocon, wrote a desperate piece in The Wall Street Journal last week, titled, “A New American Grand Strategy to Counter Russia and China.”

Bolton gets it that the world is changing, and not in America’s favor. So his response is not to reverse failed U.S. policy, for the U.S. to become part of the rest of the world rather than trying to dominate it, but to double down like a riverboat gambler. His solution: raise military spending to Reagan-era levels; resume underground nuclear bomb testing and taking “the North Atlantic Treaty Organization global, inviting Japan, Australia, Israel and others committed to NATO defense-spending targets to join.”

Bolton laughingly says the U.S. must “exclude” Moscow and Beijing from the Middle East, where both capitals are orchestrating the most dramatic diplomatic transformation in decades.

But Boltons saves his best laugh for Ukraine:

“After Ukraine wins its war with Russia, we must aim to split the Russia-China axis. Moscow’s defeat could unseat Mr. Putin’s regime. What comes next is a government of unknowable composition. New Russian leaders may or may not look to the West rather than Beijing, and might be so weak that the Russian Federation’s fragmentation, especially east of the Urals, isn’t inconceivable.”
Even if the ludicrous Bolton is dismissed, there’s still a major obstacle in the realists’ way: Biden’s re-election campaign. He says he’s going to announce soon. He’s already thrown his lot in with the neocons.

Is there any conceivable way that he could accept Ukraine losing this war, after all the blue and yellow flag-waving, without also losing the election?

The Biden team’s aim was to bleed Russia. But it is Ukraine that is hemorrhaging. Will reality at last overcome delusion in Washington?

Joe Lauria is editor-in-chief of Consortium News and a former U.N. correspondent for The Wall Street Journal, Boston Globe, and numerous other newspapers, including The Montreal Gazette and The Star of Johannesburg. He was an investigative reporter for the Sunday Times of London, a financial reporter for Bloomberg News and began his professional work as a 19-year old stringer for The New York Times.
 

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Stop saying stupid shit. Arm chair military strategist here who knows everything about Russian and western military reserves. No civilian really knows. The only thing we know is no weapon system used in this war is superior to the other. A lot of western equipment have been destroyed by the Russians too.
They actually do know. It's been analyzed to death.

When this is over, Ukraine will be a poor, destitute country.
Yup. The Russians win and they'll loot and genocide the entire country and destroy it. Then they'll attack the Baltics and do the same thing.

This proxy war is about weakening Russia, not helping Ukraine. But of course we have nukes in the mix which Russia is now threatening to use.
They've been threatening to use those nukes for over a year now. I think it's part of a Moscow comedy act routine - just like "You will fall out window of tall building by mistake!" jokes.


This war will end with negotiations and Ukraine possibly losing some territory for an uneasy truce.

So stop being naive, and fantasizing about some glorious Ukrainian victory.
Let me know when Bakhmut falls, Hindustan Times guy.

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Stop saying stupid shit. Arm chair military strategist here who knows everything about Russian and western military reserves. No civilian really knows. The only thing we know is no weapon system used in this war is superior to the other. A lot of western equipment have been destroyed by the Russians too.

When this is over, Ukraine will be a poor, destitute country.

This proxy war is about weakening Russia, not helping Ukraine. But of course we have nukes in the mix which Russia is now threatening to use.

This war will end with negotiations and Ukraine possibly losing some territory for an uneasy truce.

So stop being naive, and fantasizing about some glorious Ukrainian victory.
Ukraine may end up poor but they won't be reliving the Holodomor under Russian rule.
 
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I have to admit HT titles and thumbnails are damn funny! They always make Putin look like Dr. Evil :ROFLMAO:

 
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