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UFC 202 this Saturday with the long awaited rematch between Diaz and Conner

I see Diaz winning this one again, Conner has trained to not blow his wad in 5 minutes, but in the first fight he hit Nate with his best blows in the first round and they could not rock Nate..If this goes into the championship rounds I see Nate being able to take Conner down where he is a fish out of water compared to Nate's slick perfect ground game..

I am looking forward to what will probably be a slugfest between Rumble and Glover...with Rumble's sheer power and improved wrestling being the difference in a win

Neil Magny, I enjoy watching him fight...his destruction of Hector Lombard was vicious

Which Cerrone shows up?

Main Card (PPV, 10 PM ET)

Nate Diaz vs. Conor McGregor
Anthony Johnson vs. Glover Teixeira
Donald Cerrone vs. Rick Story
Hyun Gyu Lim vs. Mike Perry
Sabah Homasi vs. Tim Means

Preliminary Card (FS1, 8 PM ET)

Cody Garbrandt vs. Takeya Mizugaki
Raquel Pennington vs. Elizabeth Phillips
Chris Avila vs. Artem Lobov
Cortney Casey vs. Randa Markos

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass, 6:30 PM ET)

Lorenz Larkin vs. Neil Magny
Colby Covington vs. Max Griffin
Alberto Uda vs. Marvin Vettori
 
If McGregor cant beat Diaz it goes to show that he is a over rated fighter, talented yes but way over rated. Conner reminds me of the episode in Seinfeld when Kramer was bragging about being class champion in his martial arts class. He needs the range advantage to win fights, he has the accuracy and stance to keep smaller fighters at bay. At least he is honest about bullying the smaller devisions, but he may be mediocre against people his own size or bigger than him. Anyways like I mentioned he needs this win if he wants to hold on to any credibility as a "great" fighter.
 
Great fight, what can you say. Connor was technically good, but his conditioning sucks and seeing him gassed near the end of the second, I thought it was over and Diaz would take that win.

Didn't like when Connor actually ran away a few times, kinda funny to be honest. lol
Diaz is in ridiculous condition though, taking those kicks, weathering the storm then going after the guy? WOW!
All I could think of when I saw Diaz punching Connor was "he's got heart, he digs deep".


Rumble, amazing, one punch, done. Class act. How anyone can't like that guy will boggle my mind.
 
Ultimately Diaz screwed himself out of the win by not taking McGregor down and finishing him in the last 2 minute of the 3rd when McGregor was both gassed and hurt, but instead Diaz seemed to choose trying to go for a KO from striking alone - either to further humiliate McGregor or make some other kind of statement by beating him entirely at his own game.

By the time Diaz finally realized his the mistake ans tried taking McGreffor down a couple of times in the 4th it was too late, he no longer had the strength, fatigue & the early damage caught up to him while McGregor probably caught more of a second wind than Diaz would have expected, nd took some advantage of Diaz punches losing most of their steam.

Still it could ahve been a draw, the 5th could have gone either way and I thought Diaz hurt McGregor significantly enough in the last minute of the 2nd to possibly salvage an Even round.
 
As someone who doesn't follow real close, is Diaz a threat in his own weight class or just a jobber, wrestling term.
 
Hard Idle said:
Ultimately Diaz screwed himself out of the win by not taking McGregor down and finishing him in the last 2 minute of the 3rd when McGregor was both gassed and hurt, but instead Diaz seemed to choose trying to go for a KO from striking alone - either to further humiliate McGregor or make some other kind of statement by beating him entirely at his own game.

By the time Diaz finally realized his the mistake ans tried taking McGreffor down a couple of times in the 4th it was too late, he no longer had the strength, fatigue & the early damage caught up to him while McGregor probably caught more of a second wind than Diaz would have expected, nd took some advantage of Diaz punches losing most of their steam.

Still it could ahve been a draw, the 5th could have gone either way and I thought Diaz hurt McGregor significantly enough in the last minute of the 2nd to possibly salvage an Even round.
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I thought the result could have gone either way, and I was expecting or rather, expecting not to be surprised if a tie was announced as well.

And ..Anthony Johnson the Rumble, wow, I thought the KO was in less than 10 secs, but was actually 13. Beautiful uppercut!
 
wazup said:
As someone who doesn't follow real close, is Diaz a threat in his own weight class or just a jobber, wrestling term.
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Nate Diaz is tough and has great jujitsu but he's not known for knocking guys out, but his style much like his brothers is famous for being the most effective at overwhelming the opponents. Nates career started out strong being one one the youngest, perhaps thee youngest to win a TUF tournament. But he wasn't quite able to reach no1 contender in any weight class like his brother did. IF I was to rate him as a mma fighter id say he is about 7.8/10 which says alot about McGregor's actual over rated skill level when he isnt the bully in the ring.
 
Hard Idle said:
Ultimately Diaz screwed himself out of the win by not taking McGregor down and finishing him in the last 2 minute of the 3rd when McGregor was both gassed and hurt, but instead Diaz seemed to choose trying to go for a KO from striking alone - either to further humiliate McGregor or make some other kind of statement by beating him entirely at his own game.

By the time Diaz finally realized his the mistake ans tried taking McGreffor down a couple of times in the 4th it was too late, he no longer had the strength, fatigue & the early damage caught up to him while McGregor probably caught more of a second wind than Diaz would have expected, nd took some advantage of Diaz punches losing most of their steam.

Still it could ahve been a draw, the 5th could have gone either way and I thought Diaz hurt McGregor significantly enough in the last minute of the 2nd to possibly salvage an Even round.
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I agree if Nate wanted the win he should have used his bread and butter, he waited too long to take McGregor down. He screwed around on the feet too early in the fight when he knows from the last fight McGregor is going to come out strong in the first 2 rounds.
Nate should have used the opportunity when McGregor was throwing the leg kicks to either shoot or catch a leg and lift it. Even with his height advantage he had chances for a standing gillitene and pull guard up against the fence, if the choke didn't work at least he would have Conner in his guard on the ground. Regardless of being on the bottom as long as Conner wasn't fully mounted he would be in Nates waters. Nate tried to repeat the last victory with the same strategy, where Conner changed up his strategy with the leg kicks.
Normally kicks are a bad idea against an opponent that is dangerous on the ground, but Nate doesn't have a strong shoot and never capitalizes on them.
 
Kathleen said:
Better card than I expected.

1. Donald Cerrone looked great against Rick Story. Showed he really belongs in the division.

2. Anthony Johnson and Glover Teixeira - OMFG what an uppercut..lol. That man had power. But it was to be expected.

3. Conor McGregor vs. Nate Diaz: What did CM say? "The King is back"? Ugh, here he goes again.

First the fight - I'm so creeped out with the prediction I made back on the 16th. I said the only way I saw CM winning this fight was to use loads of kicks, and basically mirror what RDA did against Diaz.
CM did just that, and it was the difference. That first round scored huge, and left Nate very damaged. For that, I give McGregor top marks as being a wicked smart fighter.

Noooooow, lets be honest too. Though I had CM beating Diaz on the card too, he was running away in 3 of 5 rounds, very tired, and a couple times in very bad shape. I don't mean to disrespect Diaz, but he's proven weak with leg kicks, and not exactly the 'elite' in welter. This by all accounts should have been much easier for CM to put away Diaz. In trying, he failed the first time, and will loads of preparation, just edged Nate tonight.

Conor McGregor The Fighter - I don't want to totally hate on the guy, but being realistic, is the "King back"? Yes CM won at 170. But does he really think he stands a chance against the likes of Woodley, Lawler, MacDonald, or Thompson? God I certainly hope not. Nate had him running and exhausted.
So now does CM have sights again on the lightweight belt? Again, I see 155 as being too tough and the likes of Nurmagomedov , Rafael Dos Anjos , and Alvarez being just too much.

To me, 145 is where he will call home. Nothing else makes sense. I'd like to see the Aldo rematch now, and no talk of McGregor - Diaz 3 Unless Conor is wearing the lightweight belt and Nate is the #1 contender.

Time will tell I guess. If anyone hears anything about the future for CM, and its anything but meeting Aldo, pls let me know. I have to get to sleep and cant watch the post fight conference.
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I had a good feeling about Johnson winning that fight in the stand up but I never would have guessed in just a few seconds against a guy like Glover who has a strong chin. lol Johnson is a beast I liked him since his early days in the ufc.
McGregor had that "im not surprised" line ready and planned for a ko victory but had to settle for a decision to use it womp womp. lol
He definitely wasn't sure which way the judges were going to go because of Nates comeback. It was a difficult fight to score but when McGregor would turn his back to run for air while Nate was stalking him he should have lost points for that. Judges are supposed to consider who pushed the pace at the end of every round. But in the end the score cards usually land in favor of the pre fight odds.
 
Kathleen said:
Conor McGregor The Fighter - I don't want to totally hate on the guy, but being realistic, is the "King back"? Yes CM won at 170. But does he really think he stands a chance against the likes of Woodley, Lawler, MacDonald, or Thompson? God I certainly hope not. Nate had him running and exhausted.
So now does CM have sights again on the lightweight belt? Again, I see 155 as being too tough and the likes of Nurmagomedov , Rafael Dos Anjos , and Alvarez being just too much.

To me, 145 is where he will call home. Nothing else makes sense. I'd like to see the Aldo rematch now, and no talk of McGregor - Diaz 3 Unless Conor is wearing the lightweight belt and Nate is the #1 contender.
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I agree McGregor will have it tough at LW. In many ways, he was fortunate to have faced an opponent in Diaz that has neither speed or power. He even said as much that Diaz is just big and durable.

At LW, he will need to contend with fighters just as big, with KO power, speed and cardio.
Conor's a good fighter, but his dominance of the LW division was in no small part his advantage in size and height.
 
Kathleen said:
I agree 100%

I've always liked PrideFC more than the UFC for that very reason, and miss it so much. You should get a yellow card for stalling fights, or just smothering. In retrospect, someone 'pushing' the fight should be given points.

In a fight like last night, rounds CM won 10-9 could have become a draw for running away. Or, rounds Nate won 10-9 could have been seen as 10-8 by all judges.

Here is Nate's brother Nick Diaz on the topic from a few yrs back.

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He wasn't affraid to criticize the UFC which is admirable, unfortunately when you speak up they will find a way to kill your contract. The 5 year ban for having pot in his system was no coincidence, they really tried to put the nail in coffin for his mma career. The fact that he can't even attend one of his brothers fights even as a spectator is complete bullshit over a blood test. They don't like him plain and simple, its completely obvious.

Atleast Nate is bringing home some real money for the family, I heard he made 2 million for this fight, more than his brother was ever able to make even as strike force champion.
I dont know what Nick made in his GSP fight but I don't think it was even close.
 
italianguy74 said:
He wasn't affraid to criticize the UFC which is admirable, unfortunately when you speak up they will find a way to kill your contract. The 5 year ban for having pot in his system was no coincidence, they really tried to put the nail in coffin for his mma career. The fact that he can't even attend one of his brothers fights even as a spectator is complete bullshit over a blood test. They don't like him plain and simple, its completely obvious.

Atleast Nate is bringing home some real money for the family, I heard he made 2 million for this fight, more than his brother was ever able to make even as strike force champion.
I dont know what Nick made in his GSP fight but I don't think it was even close.
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Wow no shit, I was wondering why I didn't see his brother in the prep area. I don't follow it too closely, but I agree with you, that is bullshit.
 
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