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U.S. boy, 10, sentenced in foiled rape, murder plot

mandrill

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By Reuters

A 10-year-old Washington state boy was sentenced on Wednesday to up to 5½ years in a juvenile detention facility for his role in a foiled plot to rape and kill a girl at his school and harm other children.

The boy was charged with conspiracy to commit first-degree murder, juvenile firearm possession and witness tampering in connection with a plot in February at an elementary school in Colville, Wash., about 345 kilometres east of Seattle.

Prosecutors said he pleaded guilty last month to all charges.

Stevens County Superior Court Judge Allen Nielson sentenced the Grade 5 boy to a minimum of just over three years in juvenile detention and a maximum of nearly 5½ years, Stevens County prosecutor Tim Rasmussen said.

An 11-year-old boy accused of joining in the plot is charged with conspiracy to commit first-degree murder, possession of a dangerous weapon in the form of a knife at school and tampering with a witness, Rasmussen added.

The 11-year-old suspect faces a court hearing later this month.

The 10-year-old boy will serve his sentence at the Echo Glen children's juvenile center in Snoqualmie, Wash., 72 kilometres east of Seattle. He has already spent 97 days in a local juvenile detention facility, Rasmussen said.

The boy told investigators he and his friend had planned to kill a former Grade 5 girlfriend because she was "rude" and "always made fun" of him and his friends, according to court documents.

They plotted to entice the girl away from their elementary school, the court papers stated.

The 10-year-old had taken a functional Remington Model 1911 pistol that originally belonged to his grandfather from his older brother's room, according to court records.

The boys had also packed ammunition and a knife, but they were stopped on Feb. 7 shortly after they boarded a school bus, Rasmussen said.

A Grade 4 student spotted the knife and reported it to a teacher's aide, Rasmussen said. The names of six other targeted classmates were on a list the boys had, Rasmussen said.


Absolutely unbelievable. This kid should be in care and getting counselling.
 

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He's in the Juvenile System where the entire thrust is rehabilitation and working to make it possible for the child to reenter society and not be a threat to it.

Frankly for what he was charged with, three years is a very light juvenile sentence.


Now here is the other side of the fence: A ten year old who killed an infant her mother was baby sitting who has had the manslaughter charge dropped and will be under state supervised psychiatric counseling and treatment until age 18 with the possibility of it being continued to the age of 21.

http://www.pressherald.com/news/Mai...ges_.html?searchterm=mother+girl+manslaughter
 

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He's in the Juvenile System where the entire thrust is rehabilitation and working to make it possible for the child to reenter society and not be a threat to it.

Frankly for what he was charged with, three years is a very light juvenile sentence.


Now here is the other side of the fence: A ten year old who killed an infant her mother was baby sitting who has had the manslaughter charge dropped and will be under state supervised psychiatric counseling and treatment until age 18 with the possibility of it being continued to the age of 21.

http://www.pressherald.com/news/Mai...ges_.html?searchterm=mother+girl+manslaughter
In Canada, there is no criminal responsibility for a child under 12 years. There is no real proof that the 10 year old was actually going to carry out his plot and - given his age - it is more than likely that it was a silly piece of pretend play-acting.
 

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In Canada, there is no criminal responsibility for a child under 12 years. There is no real proof that the 10 year old was actually going to carry out his plot and - given his age - it is more than likely that it was a silly piece of pretend play-acting.
Its borderline, the issue is does a child of ten have the ability to form the requisite Mens Rea. However given that he brought a .45 ACP pistol to school. . . . . .
 

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Its borderline, the issue is does a child of ten have the ability to form the requisite Mens Rea. However given that he brought a .45 ACP pistol to school. . . . . .
I think part of it is mens rea and the other part is whether a child can have a sense of moral responsibility or a real sense of the consequences of his / her actions. There are real issues re whether someone under 12 years can be "evil" - morally delinquent in the criminal law sense.

If he brought a pistol to school, does a 10 year old child really have the capacity to form an intent to use it? Does the child appreciate what he is doing as being more significant that a game of cowboys and Indians? Even if you accept that the first two are proven, is the child's moral sense so underdeveloped at that young age that punishment in the criminal justice system is not appropriate, etc?

I am comfortable w the Canadian choice and very uncomfortable with the US choice.
 

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What I found interesting is that the child was caught, and dealt with humanely. That says a lot for the people involved
Well, he's 10. Did you expect them to give him a beat down?

This is just an all around shitty situation. The kid was inches away from committing a very serious act, and he'll have to live with that and everything surrounding that for the rest of his life. Considering he's 10, that's a long fucking time! I wonder how bad the bullying has to be to drive not just one kid, but two to fully plan such a revenge.
 

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the fact that he actually brought a .45 ACP pistol to school...

its not easy getting actual possession of a gun and then bringing it to school

that signs his guilty verdict right there.

no compassion for the kid will be found from me
 

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He's just a dumb kid.

Sad.

No-one seems to be wondering, so I will ask, where are the parents in all of this?

Seems to me that they are responsible for this nightmare of a situation.
 

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Yes he was ten, yes that raises important legal issues, however, had he succeeded in murdering the schoolmate she would be dead and the fact that he was a stupid or depraved (legally) or neither boy wouldn't change the fact that she was dead.
 
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