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Two More Mass Shootings

SkyRider

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Two more mass shootings in these United States. 16 people shot in Cincinnati last night and 7 shot in St. Louis 2-3 days ago.
 

shack

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Two more mass shootings in these United States. 16 people shot in Cincinnati last night and 7 shot in St. Louis 2-3 days ago.
More guns will keep them safer.

Just like putting more cars on the 401 will improve traffic.
 

roxyfan

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It's just so sad. I don't understand the need to carry assault rifles or hand guns in the city. Police, military and hunting ok, but if everyone has a gun and uses them to threaten, intimidate and kill each other how does it make everyone safer?
Hello Charlotte...makes no sense but Americans Will defend their right to bear arms as per the US constitution. Of course when that was drafted, there were no modern weapons but they refuse to amend the law to bring some common sense to it. The NRA is powerful lobby group so keep expecting to see these types of assaults and more innocent deaths. I'm glad to live in Canada...
 

Smallcock

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It's just so sad. I don't understand the need to carry assault rifles or hand guns in the city. Police, military and hunting ok, but if everyone has a gun and uses them to threaten, intimidate and kill each other how does it make everyone safer?
Balance of Rights, Risks, and Policy

 

poorboy

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Hello Charlotte...makes no sense but Americans Will defend their right to bear arms as per the US constitution. Of course when that was drafted, there were no modern weapons but they refuse to amend the law to bring some common sense to it. The NRA is powerful lobby group so keep expecting to see these types of assaults and more innocent deaths. I'm glad to live in Canada...
All you people crack me up. "There were no modern weapons." Firearms at the time they were using were revolutionary when the Second Amendment was drafted. They were state of the art at the time.

There are less people dying by firearms now than 25 years ago. There's also 100 million guns in the United States, yet it's not mayhem down there.

There's 10 million firearms in Canada, and it's not anarchy up here.

Taking away guns does not prevent deaths. Motivated people just use other means.

What's happening in Europe is a great example. The mechanism of choice is now semis and cars and they are being used to great effect, yet no one is lobbying to ban them.

And to the Fudd hunter, boomboom. Most bolt action rifles shoot larger calibres than so called "Assault rifles" and have been used in more homicides and suicides than semi autos because of their sheer numbers. They'll be the next to go after semis, so you better get on board with having the right to own a firearm.


Here's another fact people. Firearms sales have gone DOWN now that Trump is in office because he's not trying to infringe on gunowner's rights.

Obama was the greatest gun salesman in US history.
 

SkyRider

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The NRA is powerful lobby group so keep expecting to see these types of assaults and more innocent deaths.
To paraphrase the NRA: "A few dead American is a small price to pay for the constitutional right to bear arms".

The other issue is that the Americans are concerned if they are ever attacked by a tyrannical government and/or foreign invaders they need arms to protect themselves. They saw what happened in Iran when the government controlled all the guns and the protesters were unarmed and unable to defend themselves.
 

shack

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To paraphrase the NRA: "A few dead American is a small price to pay for the constitutional right to bear arms".

The other issue is that the Americans are concerned if they are ever attacked by a tyrannical government and/or foreign invaders they need arms to protect themselves. They saw what happened in Iran when the government controlled all the guns and the protesters were unarmed and unable to defend themselves.
What could be more valid than comparing the US to the Iran?
 

poorboy

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To paraphrase the NRA: "A few dead American is a small price to pay for the constitutional right to bear arms".

The other issue is that the Americans are concerned if they are ever attacked by a tyrannical government and/or foreign invaders they need arms to protect themselves. They saw what happened in Iran when the government controlled all the guns and the protesters were unarmed and unable to defend themselves.
And guess what? The Japanese and Germans were quite concerned what would have happened if they actually reached the United States because of the large number of firearms in the US.

Admiral Yamato was quoted as saying "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
 

SkyRider

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Admiral Yamato was quoted as saying "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
Guns and the United States.

Guns won the American Revolution.

Guns defeated Mexico and secured Texas for the U.S.

Guns won the Civil War. BTW: The South haven't been invaded once by the Union Army will probably never surrender their guns. Never know when there might be a future tyrannical federal government.

The problem is that in the meantime people are being shot and killed. Chicago, Baltimore, San Bernadino, Pulse nightclub in Florida and so on.
 

poorboy

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Guns and the United States.

Guns won the American Revolution.

Guns defeated Mexico and secured Texas for the U.S.

Guns won the Civil War. BTW: The South haven't been invaded once by the Union Army will probably never surrender their guns. Never know when there might be a future tyrannical federal government.

The problem is that in the meantime people are being shot and killed. Chicago, Baltimore, San Bernadino, Pulse nightclub in Florida and so on.
So what are you going to do? Ban guns? A couple of those cities you named are in states with some of the strictest gun control, yet big cities in states like Arizona with loose gun control don't have higher rates, and in a lot of cases have less shootings.
 

SuperCharge

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Robber armed with knife meets customer with concealed carry. Wonder how many lives guns have saved?

 

Smallcock

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There's also 100 million guns in the United States, yet it's not mayhem down there.
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Actually much more. There are over 300 million guns in the US. More guns than citizens.

If one listens to the anti-gun crowd, there should be tens of thousands of deaths every day in the US.
 

frankcastle

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All you people crack me up. "There were no modern weapons." Firearms at the time they were using were revolutionary when the Second Amendment was drafted. They were state of the art at the time.

There are less people dying by firearms now than 25 years ago. There's also 100 million guns in the United States, yet it's not mayhem down there.

There's 10 million firearms in Canada, and it's not anarchy up here.

Taking away guns does not prevent deaths. Motivated people just use other means.

What's happening in Europe is a great example. The mechanism of choice is now semis and cars and they are being used to great effect, yet no one is lobbying to ban them.

And to the Fudd hunter, boomboom. Most bolt action rifles shoot larger calibres than so called "Assault rifles" and have been used in more homicides and suicides than semi autos because of their sheer numbers. They'll be the next to go after semis, so you better get on board with having the right to own a firearm.


Here's another fact people. Firearms sales have gone DOWN now that Trump is in office because he's not trying to infringe on gunowner's rights.

Obama was the greatest gun salesman in US history.
Right but gun owners will tell you about having them for self defence but it is very hard to find reliable stats on guns used defensively. The estimates vary drastically.

As for hunting you don't need a fully automatic weapon with 30 bullets. Typically if hunting say deer if you miss the first shot then the animal got away.

What statistics hold true though is that homicides tend to happen between people who are at the very least acquaintances so the idea of a gun by your bed to defend against an intruder is a rare event. Chances are your kid is more likely to shoot themselves than you are going to shoot an intruder.

For most gun owners their lives wouldn t change much if they didn't own a gun. I just don't see why someone's hobby of target practice should outweigh the danger of having so many guns readily available to the masses.
 

frankcastle

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And guess what? The Japanese and Germans were quite concerned what would have happened if they actually reached the United States because of the large number of firearms in the US.

Admiral Yamato was quoted as saying "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
That was 70 years ago. In addition to the US is such a large space geographically and has a larger population than Japan. The US also had more resources which is why they didn't need kamikaze pilots. I have a feeling that was a quote taken out of a larger context and that the number of guns was not the only reason.
 

frankcastle

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Robber armed with knife meets customer with concealed carry. Wonder how many lives guns have saved?

A lot of bank robberies end without harm because the telleres are instructed to just hand over the money.

People wanting to be an action hero can cause more harm than good..... maybe it causes the guy with knife to escalate.... and let's face it a person with a knife can be lethal in a range much greater than most people expect. Also, the Dirty Harry may also not be a good shot and plug a bystander. Lives aren't worth the money in a cash register.
 

SuperCharge

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A lot of bank robberies end without harm because the telleres are instructed to just hand over the money.

People wanting to be an action hero can cause more harm than good..... maybe it causes the guy with knife to escalate.... and let's face it a person with a knife can be lethal in a range much greater than most people expect. Also, the Dirty Harry may also not be a good shot and plug a bystander. Lives aren't worth the money in a cash register.
There are thousands of these examples. Some hostage situations where one guy saved dozens of ppl because he had a concealed carry. Try looking it up, the fact is, guns SAVE lives as well.

Heres' a compilation of people who were SAVED because of guns.
 

frankcastle

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There are thousands of these examples. Some hostage situations where one guy saved dozens of ppl because he had a concealed carry. Try looking it up, the fact is, guns SAVE lives as well.

Heres' a compilation of people who were SAVED because of guns.
Show the stat where guns are used defensively more often than offensively then if it is sooo easy
 

frankcastle

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No one is saying guns can't save people.

But show the stats that prove guns save more people than they hurt.
 
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