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Two Different Doctors' Offices

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Incall

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TWO DIFFERENT DOCTORS' OFFICES

Boy, if this doesn't hit the nail on the head,
I don't know what does!

Two patients limp into two different medical clinics with the same complaint. Both have trouble walking and appear to require a hip replacement.

The FIRST patient is examined within the hour, Is x-rayed the same day and has a time booked for Surgery the following week.

The SECOND sees his family doctor after waiting 3 weeks for an appointment, then waits 8 weeks to see a specialist, then gets an x-ray, which isn't reviewed for another week
and finally has his surgery scheduled for a month from then.
Why the different treatment for the two patients?


The FIRST is a Golden Retriever.
The SECOND is a Senior Citizen.

Next time take me to a vet!
 
Incall said:
The FIRST is a Golden Retriever.
The SECOND is a Senior Citizen.
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The Golden Retriever is on a private payment plan and the Senior Citizen is on a public payment plan. (Mats Sundin gets Golden Retriever treatment because he is a VIP.) You can also get Golden Retriever treatment if you go to Cleveland, Ohio.
 
Rockslinger said:
The Golden Retriever is on a private payment plan and the Senior Citizen is on a public payment plan. (Mats Sundin gets Golden Retriever treatment because he is a VIP.) You can also get Golden Retriever treatment if you go to Cleveland, Ohio.
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Or if you have a private doctor that charges YOU not the government funded health plan.

Another thing to consider is that there are far more humans than golden retrievers. If there were only 100,000 humans and just as many doctors, you'd get the same treatment......
 
tboy said:
Or if you have a private doctor that charges YOU not the government funded health plan.
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This is illegal in Canada. (That is why Ted Rogers went to Cleveland.) This is a bigger offense than consensual adults engaging in wambo minki.
 
Rockslinger said:
This is illegal in Canada. (That is why Ted Rogers went to Cleveland.) This is a bigger offense than consensual adults engaging in wambo minki.
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Oh, so we pay the Leaf's medical staff via our public health plan?

I don't think so........

(which I was alluding to with the Sundin reference).

Dr. Noah Forman Team Doctor
Dr. John Theodoropoulos Team Orthopedic Physician

So, what you're saying is, whenever a player needs stiches on the bench, they scan his health card and process the payment through health Canada?
 
tboy said:
So, what you're saying is, whenever a player needs stiches on the bench, they scan his health card and process the payment through health Canada?
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Not exactly sure how the system works for VIP's like Mats Sundin, Stephen Harper, etc. Maybe, they have some kind of government sanctioned private health plan but I don't think it is legal to jump the queue. I know that I had to wait 6 months for an MRI but my doctor said I could get one in 4 days if I was willing to go to Cleveland and pay for it myself.
 
Rockslinger said:
Not exactly sure how the system works for VIP's like Mats Sundin, Stephen Harper, etc. Maybe, they have some kind of government sanctioned private health plan but I don't think it is legal to jump the queue. I know that I had to wait 6 months for an MRI but my doctor said I could get one in 4 days if I was willing to go to Cleveland and pay for it myself.
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Yeah, I don't think my "you" was very clear. I should have said if you were Mats Sundin.....

The perils of a free healthcare system like ours is the wait. The perils of a healthcare system like the US has is the cost.

Like that Michael Moore film indicated: The terrorists in Getmo get better healthcare than most US citizens. And when he took the 911 rescuers to Cuba their prescription meds were 1/10th the cost.

One of the big problems with our healthcare system is the people who abuse it. I'll be the first to admit that I don't go to the doc unless I'm about to lose a limb and then there's others who go if they get a zit. (which is why it takes so long to get an appointment).
 
biog said:
Ted Rogers went to the Cleveland Clinic. I thought they had a Toronto branch?
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If they have a Toronto branch, aren't their private pay services severely restricted? A couple of years ago, I needed an MRI (old SC injury) and was told to wait 6 months here or go to Cleveland in 4 days and I pay.
 
biog said:
Ted Rogers went to the Cleveland Clinic. I thought they had a Toronto branch?
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They do, but it is very limited in what it can provide.

For serious stuff i get my sorry ass down to the CCF, pay as you play, but quality care from people who like their job.


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All doctors have a billing cap. If doctors choose to work exclusively for a one person and that person is entitled to OHIP coverage then he gets it.

You all have to remember we all got our $5.00 tax cut a few years ago - now we are all paying for it.

If you want service you have to pay for it - sound familiar.
 
hamermill said:
If doctors choose to work exclusively for a one person and that person is entitled to OHIP coverage then he gets it.
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This can't be right. A single person can monopolize the services of a group of doctors using OHIP funds and those doctors don't service anybody else?
 
Rockslinger said:
This is illegal in Canada. (That is why Ted Rogers went to Cleveland.) This is a bigger offense than consensual adults engaging in wambo minki.
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I don't think that it is illegal to privately offer medical services in Canada, you just can't do it and also bill OHIP. But you can be a private doctor entirely outside OHIP, I believe.

In the US, you can get immediate service from money, or connections. Here is requires connections. I knew a guy who needed surgery, it was non emergency, the wait was going to be a year. But his neighbor was the President of one of the major GTA hospitals, so he got his surgery the next week. Too bad for the poor bastard who had been waiting for a year, and got bumped (I assume).
 
C Dick said:
But you can be a private doctor entirely outside OHIP, I believe.
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Does this mean that rich people can hire their own private doctor for their family, friends and company staff?
 
rubmeister100 you can indeed be a practicing physician in Ontario and charge patients directly for services as long as you are not also billing OHIP.[/QUOTE said:
Wow, if I had the money (I don't) I can hire my own private doctor and jump the queue. Money might not buy happiness but it can buy a new knee much faster.
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alienencounters said:
He told me to wait and had me booked for later that afternoon.
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OMG, I waited 6 months for my MRI (old SC injury). How did you do it? Did money exchanged hands under the counter?
 
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