TTC Constables

[chiller_boy]

Due to the problems with gangs and safety on the ttc the union is asking for real police instead of ttc cops.The ttc cops make more than a police officer but have no guns or tasers nor have any real presence in the system other than to look like a rent-a-cop.It would be cheaper to hire real police and have real protection for the workers and the public instead of the ttc cops that are there now.
The ttc does not want police in the system because it would appear that the ttc is not a safe place to be. Due to the problems with all the assaults and such on the ttc at large it would be deemed a better way to go.

I think, and hope, that we are overreacting to every awful event that occurs on the TTC. Last week, it was 'lets put up barriers to prevent crazies from pushing Torontonians under subway trains' Cost - millions ad great inconvienence during construction. And then what happens when said crazy pushes pedestrian under bus? Do we build barriers on all of Toronto's roads?

This business about putting Cops on buses is a big mistake because of the cost and because every bus cannot be protected. The Police department would probably have to hire hundreds of more cops and I believe they are already the largest item in the budget. Do we raise TTC fares to pay for it? Property taxes? Should we take the cops out of the schools and put them on the TTC?

 

[Dark Chimera]

Because I’ve never seen a homeless person taking a leak at any downtown TTC station, or stairwell. Maybe if there were actually bathroom in the stations as opposed to the end of the lines…but that’s another point entirely.



Pardon my ignorance , but if there was a knife fight on the transit system, how did the cops drive by? Were they driving the train or the bus?



Well the TTC shouldn’t be in the policing business, since based on the amount of times in the last 3 weeks the subway lines have been shut down for technical issues they shouldn’t be in the mass transit business either.

Yes, yes…lots of new buses, well what about the fact that the trains are crowded. Try getting a seat anytime during the rush hour times. It’s pretty sad.

Thx for responding. Even though I am just a worker ant and everything except my own little contribution is out of my control I still am always curious as to how the public percieves us.

I agree that they should have more washrooms. They have them for the drivers at every station but not for the patrons. What are patrons to do?

TTC cops are cheaper than real cops and they are not in the policing business as they do not carry weapons and work closley with the real cops even though yeet has contempt for them. I guess he should know as he has worked with them I have never used them or even seen them do much myself


The knife fight did not happen in the subway but the same cops that patrol the subways to keep patrons safe are the same cops that drove by was my point

Buses are being added to rush hour

a lot of shutdowns are jumpers

a gang incident will shut it down for hours as a criminal investigation takes place. It is the cops who do that not the TTC

part of their plan is to computerise the subways as computers can make the subways go faster making them less crowded they are doing this as we speak

I think the way they immediately set up a shuttle in such cases as subway shutdowns is quite good IMHO

they plan to spend billions with subway extentions and the light rail streetcar stuff

gridlock costs huge money for business and it is also a loss to ones way of life so it is money that needs to be spent IMHO

I do not know if is the city that should run the TTC or how it compares to the rest of the world. I would like to know. I hear from travellers the TTC is behind the curve compared to the best such as Japan

Metrolinx is the organization established to modernize the TTC and all the surrounding area from Hamilton to oshawa

it seems to me they argue a lot but when it comes to billions $$ I think they should

 

[good to go]

Wow , this got totally off topic.I dont care about a plan to rebuild the ageing system, it is all smoke and mirrors anyways.The shit we have is what we are stuck with since politicians run the asylum. the TTC constables earn about the same as real police and for my tax dollars i would rather have the real thing. It is a shame when they are mostly either driving around in their cars or sitting on their asses at Davisville head office.

They should be riding the system where the problems are instead of driving where they are not.If they were stationed at the major intersection points they would be more useful.By the time they actually get to a location the problem has been resolved usually since the person has let the area. They are esentially paper pushers, they serve no purpose other than to have another branch to syphon money from the transit system. The ttc is in the business of moving people, at least that is where they should focus their funds. Instead they create new job titles to waste money that should be spent elsewhere. The city should take care of policing the TTC since they are the ones who have the training and the equipment to take care of any situation that might arise. The TTC cops would just get there and wait for the real cops anyways since they have no way to handle anything other than filling out a report.

 

[masterchief]

Thx for responding. Even though I am just a worker ant and everything except my own little contribution is out of my control I still am always curious as to how the public percieves us.

I agree that they should have more washrooms. They have them for the drivers at every station but not for the patrons. What are patrons to do?

Yeah, well I guess by what I see….go anywhere they feel like it. What I love is that the TTC spend millions for elevators for the handicapped (most of whom take wheeltrans and don’t ride the subway) but didn’t think that 1 million commuters may need to heed nature’s call once in a while.

I think the way they immediately set up a shuttle in such cases as subway shutdowns is quite good IMHO

Sure on paper. Let’s look at the day of the blackout that happened a few weeks ago. For the majority of the day the system was closed from Jane/Dufferin to St George. In lieu of the trains, the brass at the TTC had 30 shuttle buses ferrying passengers to and from.

30.

That was it.

30

Not 30 each way….no a total of 30

There were people waiting for over an hour to get onto a bus. That’s ridiculous. I mean one bus can barely hold the equivalent of 1 packed subway car.

And that should be applauded?

 

[Dark Chimera]

I saw a homeless person come into the tube one winter, enter the car, and piss on the seat. The stench was horrible. I moved, but should have left the car and waited for the next train.

Three or four stops later, the TTC arrived to drag the person away. Too bad no one thought to clean the wet piss off the seat.

As human waste is considered a bio hazard - by the government dept that knows this stuff - only qualified TTC personel handle it. They would have been on their way to clean it up I am sure.

 

[good to go]

As human waste is considered a bio hazard - by the government dept that knows this stuff - only qualified TTC personel handle it. They would have been on their way to clean it up I am sure.

No what they do in this situation is take the train out of service if it is really messy.Or they just replace the seat cushion and have someone clean the rest at the end of the line.

 

[good to go]

The main problem at the TTC is that it is ran by the politicians, they elect a commission to run it. The problem is that the people who are employed to make decisions at management positions are not competent. Most are hired on by their friends who they grew up with and are running the show. If the public only knew what kind of shit goes on there they would be fired.The TTC gives money to the United Way each year as a fundraiser program, the problem is that they spend millions more to pay the salaries of the people who are working as fundraisers.

 

[Dark Chimera]

Sure on paper. Let’s look at the day of the blackout that happened a few weeks ago. For the majority of the day the system was closed from Jane/Dufferin to St George. In lieu of the trains, the brass at the TTC had 30 shuttle buses ferrying passengers to and from.

30.

That was it.

30

Not 30 each way….no a total of 30

There were people waiting for over an hour to get onto a bus. That’s ridiculous. I mean one bus can barely hold the equivalent of 1 packed subway car.

And that should be applauded?

What do you want? 100 buses and drivers on stand by ? Think of the cost.

Drivers are called in , buses are diverted as well as possible.

My main argument is against my own union. Walking off the job at midnite was a very sad occurrance.

I asked Kinear, our president, why he did that. He said if he did not call for the legal walkoff (I dont care that it was legal- that does not make it right) the members would say he had no balls

I told him he did not have enough balls to stand up to those who would say he had no balls . He should of had enough balls to do the right thing which was to give the province the 48 hours they had asked for so they could mandate back to work legislation


Oh yeah, why is the TTC dirty? It is a public space. You seem to have very high standards

 

[club69]

TTC cops = a bunch of overpaid stupid shitheads

enuff said!

 

[Captain Fantastic]

croation (sic) hero????

A Croatian "hero" who stabbed his fiancee in the neck and chest six or seven times...

http://www.aimpress.ch/dyn/trae/archive/data/200103/10316-002-trae-zag.htm
http://www.vojska.net/eng/biography/d/drnasin/jasen/

Apparently our definition of "hero" gets watered down more and more every day.


That being said, the TTC rent-a-cops are a waste of time, space and money... even moreso than the TTC union, and that's saying something!

 

[masterchief]

What do you want? 100 buses and drivers on stand by ? Think of the cost.

Drivers are called in , buses are diverted as well as possible.

My main argument is against my own union. Walking off the job at midnite was a very sad occurrance.

I asked Kinear, our president, why he did that. He said if he did not call for the legal walkoff (I dont care that it was legal- that does not make it right) the members would say he had no balls

I told him he did not have enough balls to stand up to those who would say he had no balls . He should of had enough balls to do the right thing which was to give the province the 48 hours they had asked for so they could mandate back to work legislation


Oh yeah, why is the TTC dirty? It is a public space. You seem to have very high standards

No, but if the system is shut down and shuttle buses are the only means to move people along the line, then there should be an equal amount of vehicles to the task. Once again the TTC dropped the ball

And the ironic part was that the blackout didn’t effect the actual subway, but the stations, So there was no reason why people who were travelling from Jane to the core couldn’t still be ferried.

Why is the TTC dirty? Because it’s never cleaned, I mean I see overflowing trash cans all the time.

How do we fix the TTC, give it to the province to run.

 

[Rockslinger]

I can't say anything because the usual suspects will shout "anti-union".

 

[Dark Chimera]

I can't say anything because the usual suspects will shout "anti-union".

As a member of local 113, the TTC union, and for all unions I say this: yes unions cause inefficientcy, this is sad.

now

Think of the alternative.

No unions.

We would all be niggers and slaves to the corporate masters and called trouble makers then black listed if we ever complained to the man.

Think of the dirty thirties when they were being formed.

Think of coal mines before unions.

Now go ahead and trash the unions. They deserve it. But I would rather live in Cuba then a capitalistic `free democracy` that banned unions.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

As a member of local 113, the TTC union, and for all unions I say this: yes unions cause inefficientcy, this is sad.

now

Think of the alternative.

No unions.

We would all be niggers and slaves to the corporate masters and called trouble makers then black listed if we ever complained to the man.

Think of the dirty thirties when they were being formed.

Think of coal mines before unions.

Now go ahead and trash the unions. They deserve it. But I would rather live in Cuba then a capitalistic `free democracy` that banned unions.

I'm not even going to get into your use of the N-bomb. (Farkin' idiot.)

Unions served their purpose and raised workers' rights to the level they're at now, but only a myopic union "slave" would sit there and defend a bunch of worthless, strike-when-we-feel-like-it pampered babies that refuse to recognize economic climates and the average, non-union person.

When a union worker admits that they cause inefficiencies, you know that there is a serious problem. But instead of dealing with it, the union-ists would rather have business-as-usual protectionism for the slugs that kill the decent employees' reputations.

Does one have to turn in one's brain to join a union? I hear Cuba's nice this time of year...

 

[daty]

Dark Chimera have you ever heard the story of Jasen Drnasin?


He died in 2006 TTC constables used pepper foam. The police were called to the
Eglinton Ave W & Royal York road. 3 police officers tracked him down he was beaten bad
and handcuffed he was taken to Humber River Regional Hospital in critical condition.

TTC constables say this was a dispute with Jasen.
But the truth is he was trying to protect a girl on a bus from some
abusive boyfriend which they were arguing on the bus.

He was a Croatian hero to his country and a graduate of West Point in N.Y.
Jasen had an 18 old month daughter. TTC constables do not fall under the SIU's
jurisdiction, and it had not been confirmed weather the TTC will launch an investigation.

This happened about November 2006.
Mr Drnasin was only 32 years old

Attention News Editors:

SIU concludes Investigation into Toronto Man's Death
TORONTO, Jan. 8 /CNW/ - James Cornish, the Director of the Special
Investigations Unit (SIU), has concluded that there are no reasonable grounds
to believe that any of the Toronto Police Service (TPS) police officers
committed any criminal offence in connection with the death of Jasen Drnasin.
On November 12, 2006, Mr. Jasen Drnasin was involved in an altercation
with TTC Special Constables and Toronto Police Service (TPS) officers in the
area of Eglinton Avenue West and Royal York Road. Shortly after his arrest,
Mr. Drnasin went into medical distress. He was transported to hospital. He
remained in critical condition until his death on November 27, 2006.
The SIU assigned three Investigators and two Forensic Identification
Technicians (FIT) to investigate the circumstances surrounding this death.
Three officers were designated as Subject Officers and sixteen were designated
as Witness Officers. Sixteen civilian witnesses were interviewed.
The SIU determined that in the late afternoon of November 12, 2006,
Mr. Jasen Drnasin boarded a southbound TTC bus on Islington Avenue. Without
provocation, he punched a man who was a passenger on the bus. The man did not
know Mr. Drnasin. The man got off the bus and called the TPS to report the
assault. Several hours later, the same man got on an eastbound bus on Eglinton
Avenue East and noticed Mr. Drnasin was on it. Police were called again.
Mr. Drnasin exited that bus at Islington Avenue and the man exited at Royal
York Road. While the man waited at Royal York Road for the police to arrive,
another eastbound bus on Eglinton Avenue East approached and stopped at Royal
York Road. It was carrying Mr. Drnasin as a passenger. The driver of that bus
was apprised of the situation. He asked his passengers to exit the bus and to
board another eastbound bus, which had pulled in behind him. Mr. Drnasin was
among the passengers that did so and took a seat near the back. Prior to the
TPS arriving, two TTC Special Constables boarded the bus in which Mr. Drnasin
was sitting. The TTC Special Constables attempted to arrest Mr. Drnasin, and
when he physically resisted them, pepper foam was used in an attempt to
control him. The Special Constables were unable to subdue Mr. Drnasin, despite
a concerted physical effort. A TTC employee who attempted to aid the Special
Constables suffered a broken arm during the struggle.
Mr. Drnasin broke free, fled the bus, and ran from the scene. TPS
officers responded to the call. When the officers arrived on the scene they
were told that Mr. Drnasin was running eastbound on the south side of Eglinton
Avenue. The officers caught up to Mr. Drnasin. One of the officers told
Mr. Drnasin to stop, but Mr. Drnasin ignored the officer. The officers
attempted to take Mr. Drnasin into custody. Mr. Drnasin physically resisted
the officers. The TPS officers used a number of empty hand strikes and knee
strikes on Mr. Drnasin in an attempt to gain Mr. Drnasin's compliance, but
were unsuccessful. Mr. Drnasin was relatively uninjured by these blows and was
able to continue his struggle for about eight minutes. With the assistance of
other officers and the TTC Special Constables, Mr. Drnasin was finally
subdued. At this time Mr. Drnasin went into medical distress.
Toronto Fire and EMS arrived on the scene and treated Mr. Drnasin. It is
clear that the officers were aware of the risks of positional asphyxia and
attempted to reposition Mr. Drnasin on the ground. An oxygen mask was placed
on Mr. Drnasin, but he was moving on his own and still struggling against his
restraints. Mr. Drnasin was transported by ambulance to hospital. Mr. Drnasin
was admitted to hospital and died on November 27, 2006.
Director Cornish determined that TPS officers were acting lawfully when
they arrived at the Royal York Road and Eglinton Avenue area to assist TTC
Special Constables in arresting Mr. Drnasin. By every account, the subject
officers and other police officers that arrived on the scene were required to
engage in a prolonged struggle with an individual exhibiting extraordinary
strength. Director Cornish said, "The TPS officers delivered knee strikes and
punches to Mr. Drnasin with the intent of gaining his compliance. There is no
evidence that Mr. Drnasin was choked in any way. TPS officers eventually
subdued Mr. Drnasin. The officers held Mr. Drnasin down and restrained his
limbs. This was an entirely reasonable response to the situation facing the
officers. In my view, the force used cannot be characterized as excessive or
unwarranted. Mr. Drnasin's death cannot be attributed to unreasonable force
used by the police."
Mr. Drnasin's death could not be conclusively attributed to any single
cause. Accordingly, as legal processes may follow that will deal with that
issue, it would be inappropriate for the SIU to make any further comment in
respect of the cause of Mr. Drnasin's death. That said, Director Cornish
reiterated, "Whatever the precise cause of Mr. Drnasin's unfortunate death,
there are no reasonable grounds in my view to believe the death resulted from
a criminal offence committed by any of the involved officers."

The SIU is a civilian government agency that investigates circumstances
involving police and civilians, which have resulted in serious injury or
death. Under Section 113 of the Police Services Act, the Director of the SIU
has the authority to decide whether or not charges are warranted based on the
findings of an investigation. The Director's decision is reported to the
Attorney General.

 

[Dark Chimera]

I'm not even going to get into your use of the N-bomb. (Farkin' idiot.)

Unions served their purpose and raised workers' rights to the level they're at now, but only a myopic union "slave" would sit there and defend a bunch of worthless, strike-when-we-feel-like-it pampered babies that refuse to recognize economic climates and the average, non-union person.

When a union worker admits that they cause inefficiencies, you know that there is a serious problem. But instead of dealing with it, the union-ists would rather have business-as-usual protectionism for the slugs that kill the decent employees' reputations.

Does one have to turn in one's brain to join a union? I hear Cuba's nice this time of year...

I used the word nigger correctly, it has nothing to do with race, get over it

nigger - 5 dictionary results

2. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc.

Unfortunately, that is what it was like for workers without unions.

I used a strong word appropriately to make a strong point.

While your assessment of unions seems overly harsh, you certainly have a point.

Now, go work in a coal mine in the thirties. We will be back into that same situation in days if unions were banned.

If I stood up at the union meetings and declared what you said, even though I agree with some of it, and appealed for change I would be ostracized.

Do not know of the solution. Just want to make a point.

 

[buckwheat1]

join the union pay your dues and move on. Let's stop the whinning here the TTC is hiring drivers