TSE will collapse today

Could be some buying opportunities this week.
Lots of 3rd quarter results being announced.
 
this monday may be the monday that wasn't last week. lol...

geez- our north american markets haven't performed so bad compared to others: (ie, greater than 50% less than 1yr ago overseas to about 20-30% less than 1yr ago on our major markets...)

FTSE - was at 6700 1 year ago, currently at 3800
NIKKEI 224 - was at 16,600 1 year ago, currently at 7,000.

TSX - 14,000 1 year ago, now 9,200.
Dow- 13,700 1 yr ago, now 8,400.
S&P- 1500 1yr ago, now 900
NASDAQ- 2600 1yr ago, now 1600

and now, as much expected--- it is hitting Dubai- very hard!
http://www.reportonbusiness.com/ser...usiness/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20081026.wgulf1026
KUWAIT CITY — Kuwait moved Sunday to prop up the country's second-largest commercial bank and scrambled to protect depositors at other domestic banks, dashing hopes the oil-rich Arab Gulf would emerge largely unscathed from the global financial crisis.

The central bank halted trading in Gulf Bank shares because of high derivatives losses, just a day after Gulf finance ministers said the region's banks were insulated against the liquidity crisis that has rippled through the global banking industry.

“The halting of Gulf Bank shares spread panic in the bourse today because the government has been saying banks are safe from (global financial crisis) losses,” investor Ahmed al-Fadhli said a telephone interview.

The Saudi stock exchange — the region's largest — fell by 8.7 per cent Saturday and is down more than 50 per cent since January.

stang said:
Could be some buying opportunities this week.
I'm not buying under these current situations. People are still trying to get their money out. I'm glad I did so back in August as I had a substantial sum at risk. So, I left the market down 16% since January 1st. I didn't like the idea of exiting the market 100%, but as each week went by in September, I felt I was doing the right thing, now October I felt 'lucky' as I did not believe that so much carnage was to occur. Now, we enter November and tax loss season- a time when I usually buy-- but probably not much this year. I'll buy, but I'm not putting 8 figures into the market anytime soon. I'll probably not commit more than $2000 to any 1 given stock on any purchase before January.... instead, buy a few handfuls of smart, dividend paying value stocks that can weather a lengthy depression. I'm gonna keep my investment contributions to under $40k, so probably not more than 20 stocks. the rest of my liquidated cash portfolio is sitting in various cash instruments from ING, PC financial, T-bills, etc... I am no financial expert and am currently retired. Preservation of capital is more important to me right now. If I had not liquidated my portfolio in August, a 22 million dollar portfolio in July would be worth $15 million today. That's an expensive and very scary 2 months!

I still expect to see TSX @ 6000.
 
Maybe someone will record a new version of this song. It might become all to relevent to the situation! :eek:

jwm

"Brother, Can You Spare a Dime," lyrics by Yip Harburg, music by Jay Gorney (1931)

They used to tell me I was building a dream, and so I followed the mob,
When there was earth to plow, or guns to bear, I was always there right on the job.
They used to tell me I was building a dream, with peace and glory ahead,
Why should I be standing in line, just waiting for bread?

Once I built a railroad, I made it run, made it race against time.
Once I built a railroad; now it's done. Brother, can you spare a dime?
Once I built a tower, up to the sun, brick, and rivet, and lime;
Once I built a tower, now it's done. Brother, can you spare a dime?

Once in khaki suits, gee we looked swell,
Full of that Yankee Doodly Dum,
Half a million boots went slogging through Hell,
And I was the kid with the drum!

Say, don't you remember, they called me Al; it was Al all the time.
Why don't you remember, I'm your pal? Buddy, can you spare a dime?

Once in khaki suits, gee we looked swell,
Full of that Yankee Doodly Dum,
Half a million boots went slogging through Hell,
And I was the kid with the drum!

Say, don't you remember, they called me Al; it was Al all the time.
Say, don't you remember, I'm your pal? Buddy, can you spare a dime?
 
vsailor said:
Would this be a good time to buy Oil stocks, and hold for 10 years?

Petrocan, Suncor?
how about 20 or 30 years? No one really know the sure answer. All up in the air.

Brace for another market sell-off today! I have a feeling is going to be another 500-600pts lost.
 
gentle_lover said:
how about 20 or 30 years? No one really know the sure answer. All up in the air.

Brace for another market sell-off today! I have a feeling is going to be another 500-600pts lost.
opened with 200pts down.
 
Time to make this thread a sticky.
 
gentle_lover said:
how about 20 or 30 years? No one really know the sure answer. All up in the air.

Brace for another market sell-off today! I have a feeling is going to be another 500-600pts lost.


I'm thinking 2-3 months, by Jan Hedge funds will be as liquid as they need to be, mutual funds will have seen most of their redemptions, and tax lose sales will have been sold off. These are the reasons I see for the market to be artifically low, but I am just an investor not an expert, my portfolio is +24% for 2008 as of now.

b d
 
big dogie said:
I'm thinking 2-3 months, by Jan Hedge funds will be as liquid as they need to be, mutual funds will have seen most of their redemptions, and tax lose sales will have been sold off. These are the reasons I see for the market to be artifically low, but I am just an investor not an expert, my portfolio is +24% for 2008 as of now.

b d
+24%? That's good. Mind sharing what you have in portfolio with me? :P Just pm me.
 
This is a pause before a rapid 2,000 point gain on the TSE. Big Big gains are coming for those who buy and hold through dollar cost averaging.

EU
 
bbking said:
Good point ... I think I said that about the hedge funds unwinding and artifically shooting the value of the US dollar and Yen up.

When these currencies start to come down when demand for them lessons ... Canada and other resource based economies will see their stock markets roar back to life.

That's what we hope for.
 
enduser1 said:
This is a pause before a rapid 2,000 point gain on the TSE. Big Big gains are coming for those who buy and hold through dollar cost averaging.

EU

Kindly disclose your reference point. Do you "sell stocks" or have you been brain washed by your "stock seller"?

While a rapid gain is possible, it IS NOT necessarily probably and certainly NOT assured.
 
No I am not in the financial services industry. Market's up BTW. It appears we are not going to hell in a handcart today.

EU
 
Truthfully, I am a contrarian investor. The pessimism has been brutal over the weekend. IMHO it was overdone. Way overdone.

They had that guy saying that "America hasn't been in such a perilous state since the before the Revolution. "WOW".

I mean dude, that's saying a lot. IMHO politically I agree that Bush is the political equivalent of Marie Antoinette: smart educated and arrogant to the point that even his supporters don't like him. EXCEPT we are nine days away from an election. Bush is gone. No revolution necessary.

EU
 
gentle_lover said:
+24%? That's good. Mind sharing what you have in portfolio with me? :P Just pm me.


I don't have exact proportional returns on how I got to where I am at but, I believe a lot of my returns are from the use of bear etfs also x2 x4 etfs. hxd and hfd have saved my capital. You have to hedge in this market, but that may change soon, the trend is your friend. Don't fall in love with a stock if it not doing what it should, sell it. Right now I am buying G.

b d
 
Market is not healthy. It's at best a day traders market. Swings of 500 points are great for this type of gambling..
 
TSE got clobbered today:

8,537.34 -756.75 -8.14%
 
big dogie said:
I don't have exact proportional returns on how I got to where I am at but, I believe a lot of my returns are from the use of bear etfs also x2 x4 etfs. hxd and hfd have saved my capital.


That was a very smart thing you did:) . I just wish I would have done the same thing.

The only caution with these hbp etfs is that they can turn on you in a hurry with the double leverage.
 
Not so long ago Nortel stock sold at $124 per share. Then a bubble burst and it went down to $80, $50, $25, $15 and still inched lower.

I remember when their stock finally hit $10, all the finance-types were saying how a "great buy" Nortel has become, how Nortel is a "Canadian technology darling" undervalued against Cisco, Lucent, Alcatel, etc.

At $10/share, Nortel could be worth "twice its share price" in a takeover scenario, they'd say. And after losing 90% of its value, "it can't get any lower, only upside opportunities left". Big gains are to be expected.

Tons of investors bought Nortel at $10, laughing at those who previously owned it at $124. Then boom, Nortel stock crashed all the way down to 60 cents, where (10:1 split adjusted) it pretty much remains today.

It's like a bad joke that we hear the same stories being told again today by the same "finance types" who think they know everything. Buy this buy that and expect "rapid gains". Don't worry and "hold for the long term".

So many fools buy into the market without a clue of what's going on. Just remember all those suckers who bought Nortel at $10 suffered the same fate as those who bought at $124.
 
mprex said:
Then boom, Nortel stock crashed all the way down to 60 cents, where (10:1 split adjusted) it pretty much remains today.

Actually I think its about 13 cents now.
I got out at $10.00.