Trump, Zelenskyy reportedly reach deal on critical minerals

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Cannot trust anything Trump says.
Everything is the "biggest deal you've ever seen".
Wait for details to come out.
Zelensky has not commented yet I believe.
 
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You don't have to trust what Trump says. Profits to be
made from assets grabbed from Ukraine would speak
louder than Trump's voice.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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You don't have to trust what Trump says in words. Profits
to be made from assets grabbed from Ukraine would speak
louder than Trump's voice.
It is very typical of America to pretend to help a country and then steal its resources.
But I guess that is better than regime change.
 
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I believe that when the U.S. envoy was sent to Ukraine and negotiations were rejected during the war, it was a losing proposition for Ukraine and a one-sided deal favoring the United States. The likely agreement would have required Ukraine to repay the U.S. for previously supplied weapons by granting rights to its rare earth minerals.

Trump’s announcement of a swift resolution suggests that, at best, he secured the right of first refusal on these minerals, likely at prevailing market prices rather than any significant strategic advantage.
 

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Ghawar
Ted Dibiase once told Donald Trump he was the real life version of him.
While it might be meant as a joke it does have some truth in it. Dibiase's
gimmick of the 'million dollar man' could easily pass as the most nasty,
arrogant and frivolous wrestler in the history of pro-wrestling.

For me Ted 'the million dollar man' Dibiase in the ring was cool.
I can see why Trump could be likeable to some of those around him.
Dibiase himself remarked that Trump was cordial when they met.
 

Frankfooter

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Cannot trust anything Trump says.
Everything is the "biggest deal you've ever seen".
Wait for details to come out.
Zelensky has not commented yet I believe.
The smartest way to deal with him is nod your head and agree to his terms.
He'll forget what he said and doesn't honour any deals anyways.
 

Valcazar

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Still waiting for someone to post the actual terms of the deal.
How much did Trump have to back off of his original demands?
 

oil&gas

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Still waiting for someone to post the actual terms of the deal.
How much did Trump have to back off of his original demands?
I suspect there is to be no actual terms as far as what security
guarantee Ukraine will receive from the U.S. goes. Ukraine will
get little to nothing of value in terms of monetary profit or military
support from the U.S. or at least not the U.S. under Trump in exchange
for giving away the nation's mineral wealth.

The west baited Zelensky with NATO membership to fight Putin.
Now Trump baits Zelensky with the promise of a peace deal to be
negotiated between him and Putin. Trump has duped Zelensky. He
will just leave Ukraine to Europe and call it peace. The war will hopefully
end on the battlefield so the U.S. can safely pillage Ukraine's rare earth
mines while European and Ukrainian troops are standing on guard along
the border. NATO-Europe is duped by Trump as well like Ukraine.
 

Anbarandy

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Still waiting for someone to post the actual terms of the deal.
How much did Trump have to back off of his original demands?
The wait is over.

Professor Fate is in the room to recite the terms of the deal quoted below:

I suspect there is to be no actual terms as far as what security
guarantee Ukraine will receive from the U.S. goes. Ukraine will
get little to nothing of value in terms of monetary profit or military
support from the U.S. or at least not the U.S. under Trump in exchange
for giving away the nation's mineral wealth.

The west baited Zelensky with NATO membership to fight Putin.
Now Trump baits Zelensky with the promise of a peace deal to be
negotiated between him and Putin. Trump has duped Zelensky. He
will just leave Ukraine to Europe and call it peace. The war will hopefully
end on the battlefield so the U.S. can safely pillage Ukraine's rare earth
mines while European and Ukrainian troops are standing on guard along
the border. NATO-Europe is duped by Trump as well like Ukraine.
 
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Frankfooter

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Still waiting for someone to post the actual terms of the deal.
How much did Trump have to back off of his original demands?
That's like taking his 51st state talk seriously.
Zelensky just needed to say 'yes, sir' and then take whatever he can get from trump.

Meanwhile he can just keep stalling negotiations.
 

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Still waiting for someone to post the actual terms of the deal.
How much did Trump have to back off of his original demands?
The full text of the US-Ukraine mineral deal
February 27, 2025

The Kyiv Independent has obtained from a source in the Ukrainian government the full text of the mineral deal agreement between the U.S. and Ukraine and is publishing the text in full.

Kyiv and Washington agreed on a deal on Feb. 25. The negotiations around the deal have fueled tensions between U.S. President Donald Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky in the past week.

The U.S. has reportedly put forth three proposals, of which the first two have been turned down by the Ukrainian side for not including security agreements, even as Washington ramped up the pressure.

Initially it was reported that Zelensky could sign the agreement during a trip to Washington this week, but on Feb. 26, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio poured cold water on the idea, stressing the terms of the agreement had not been finalized and
work on it is ongoing.

Speaking to journalists on Feb. 26, Zelensky said the agreement was "well appreciated by our government officials," though he added it does not yet contain specific security guarantees for Ukraine.

"The important thing is that the agreement mentions 'partners,' and this fund is Ukrainian-American, not American," he added.

This first document will be followed by a Fund Agreement, which will further define the terms of the Reconstruction Investment Fund, created by the U.S. and Ukraine. That document will require ratification by Ukraine’s parliament.

The full text is as follows:

BILATERAL AGREEMENT ESTABLISHING TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR A RECONSTRUCTION INVESTMENT FUND

WHEREAS the United States of America has provided significant financial and material support to Ukraine since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022;

WHEREAS the American people desire to invest alongside Ukraine in a free, sovereign and secure Ukraine;

WHEREAS the United States of America and Ukraine desire a lasting peace in Ukraine and a durable partnership between their two peoples and governments;

WHEREAS the United States of America and Ukraine recognize the contribution that Ukraine has made to strengthening international peace and security by voluntarily abandoning the world's third largest arsenal of nuclear weapons;

WHEREAS the United States of America and Ukraine wish to ensure that those States and other persons that have acted adversely to Ukraine in the conflict do not benefit from the reconstruction of Ukraine following a lasting peace;

NOW, THEREFORE, the Government of the United States of America and the Government of Ukraine (each, a “Participant”) hereby enter into this Bilateral Agreement Establishing Terms and Conditions for a Reconstruction Investment Fund to deepen the partnership between the United States of America and Ukraine, as set forth herein.

1. The Governments of Ukraine and the United States of America, with the aim of achieving lasting peace in Ukraine, intend to establish a Reconstruction Investment Fund (Fund), partnering in the Fund through joint ownership, to be further defined in the Fund Agreement. Joint ownership will take into consideration the actual contributions of the Participants as defined in Sections 3 and 4. The Fund will be jointly managed by representatives of the Government of Ukraine and the Government of the United States of America. More detailed terms pertaining to the Fund’s governance and operation will be set forth in a subsequent agreement (the Fund Agreement) to be negotiated promptly after the conclusion of this Bilateral Agreement. The maximum percentage of ownership of the Fund’s equity and financial interests to be held by the Government of the United States of America and the decision-making authority of the representatives of the Government of the United States of America will be to the extent permissible under applicable United States laws.

Neither Participant will sell, transfer or otherwise dispose of, directly or indirectly, any portion of its interest in the Fund without the prior written consent of the other Participant.

2. The Fund will collect and reinvest revenues contributed to the Fund, minus expenses incurred by the Fund, and will earn income from the future monetization of all relevant Ukrainian Government-owned natural resource assets (whether owned directly or indirectly by the Ukrainian Government), as defined in Section 3

3. The Government of Ukraine will contribute to the Fund 50 percent of all revenues earned from the future monetization of all relevant Ukrainian Government-owned natural resource assets (whether owned directly or indirectly by the Ukrainian Government), defined as deposits of minerals, hydrocarbons, oil, natural gas, and other extractable materials, and other infrastructure relevant to natural resource assets (such as liquified natural gas terminals and port infrastructure) as agreed by both Participants, as may be further described in the Fund Agreement. For the avoidance of doubt, such future sources of revenues do not include the current sources of revenues which are already part of the general budget revenues of Ukraine. Timeline, scope and sustainability of contributions will be further defined in the Fund Agreement.

The Fund, in its sole discretion, may credit or return to the Government of Ukraine actual expenses incurred by the newly developed projects from which the Fund receives revenues.

Contributions made to the Fund will be reinvested at least annually in Ukraine to promote the safety, security and prosperity of Ukraine, to be further defined in the Fund Agreement. The Fund Agreement will also provide for future distributions.

4. Subject to applicable United States law, the Government of the United States of America will maintain a long-term financial commitment to the development of a stable and economically prosperous Ukraine. Further contributions may be comprised of funds, financial instruments, and other tangible and intangible assets critical for the reconstruction of Ukraine.

5. The Fund's investment process will be designed so as to invest in projects in Ukraine and attract investments to increase the development, processing and monetization of all public and private Ukrainian assets including, but not limited to, deposits of minerals, hydrocarbons, oil, natural gas, and other extractable materials, infrastructure, ports, and state-owned enterprises as may be further described in the Fund Agreement. The Government of the United States of America and the Government of Ukraine intend that the investment process will lead to opportunities for distribution of additional funds and greater reinvestment, to ensure the sufficient supply of capital for the reconstruction of Ukraine as set out in the Fund Agreement.

The Participants reserve the right to take such action as necessary to protect and maximize the value of their economic interests in the Fund.

6. The Fund Agreement will include appropriate representations and warranties, including those necessary to ensure that any obligations the Government of Ukraine may have to third parties, or such obligations that it may undertake in the future, do not sell, convey, transfer pledge, or otherwise encumber the Government of Ukraine’s contributions to the Fund or the assets from which such contributions are derived, or the Fund’s disposition of funds.

In drafting the Fund Agreement, the Participants will strive to avoid conflicts with Ukraine’s obligations under its accession to the European Union or its obligations under arrangements with international financial institutions and other official creditors.

7. The Fund Agreement will provide, inter alia, an acknowledgment that both the Fund Agreement and the activities provided for therein are commercial in nature.

The Fund agreement shall be ratified by the Parliament of Ukraine according to the Law of Ukraine "On International Treaties of Ukraine."

8. The Fund Agreement will pay particular attention to the control mechanisms that make it impossible to weaken, violate or circumvent sanctions and other restrictive measures.

9. The text of the Fund Agreement will be developed without delay by working groups chaired by authorized representatives of the Government of Ukraine and the Government of the United States of America. Contact persons responsible for preparing the Fund Agreement on the basis of this Bilateral Agreement are: from the Government of the United States of America: the Department of the Treasury; from the Government of Ukraine: Ministry of Finance and Ministry of Economy.

10. This Bilateral Agreement and the Fund Agreement will constitute integral elements of the architecture of bilateral and multilateral agreements, as well as concrete steps to establish lasting peace, and to strengthen economic security resilience and reflect the objectives set forth in the preamble to this Bilateral Agreement.

The Government of the United States of America supports Ukraine’s efforts to obtain security guarantees needed to establish lasting peace. Participants will seek to identify any necessary steps to protect mutual investments, as defined in the Fund Agreement.

11. This Bilateral Agreement is binding and will be implemented by each Participant according to its domestic procedures. The Government of the United States of America and the Government of Ukraine commit to proceed forthwith to negotiate the Fund Agreement.


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oil&gas

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Since Ukraine owes the U.S. $350 billion according to Trump
I presume Ukraine's share of revenue from production of its
mines would more likely be grabbed by the U.S. for loan repayment
than spent on rebuilding the country.

Acceptance of the deal must be a pretty tough decision for
Zelensky to make. But look to the bright side of things. It is
better for your nation's resources to be stolen and pillaged by
Trump than by Putin. I am sure jobs will be created and Ukrainian
miners will be well paid toiling for their American employers.
 
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