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Yes, that's exactly how the great Republican voter great suppression effort works. ;)

There's a big problem with that complaint. As an American who has generally lived in numerous Blue cities and Blue counties, the Democrats even in Red States wouldn't stand for it. They would be taking this all the way to the Supreme Court. Anecdotally, I have lived in precincts where the majority of voters were Black and have never witnessed this so-called conspiracy to suppress the Black vote.

Remember when we were talking about media bias. You said Fox News was by far the worst. So in that biased media environment, how do you now what you are being told is the unvarnished truth? Isn't it possible liberal media looks for polling stations in Democratic strongholds where there are delays without an objective look into delays across the jurisdiction including Republican areas?
Earpie, I'm getting annoyed. You bullshit in this thread and then I have to go take 5 minutes and look shit up, with a waste of my evening. So let's read what I found together:


Database matching
In 1998, Florida created the Florida Central Voter File with the stated purpose of combatting vote fraud documented in the 1997 Miami mayoral election. At least 1,100 people (~2x than the margin of victory) were wrongly purged from voter registration lists in Florida ahead of the 2000 election because their names were similar to those of convicted felons, who were not allowed to vote at that time under Florida law. According to the Palm Beach Post, African-Americans accounted for 88% of those removed from the rolls through this effort but were only about 11% of Florida's voters. However, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, nearly 89% of felons convicted in Florida were black at the time; therefore, a purge of convicted felons could be expected to include a disproportionately high number of blacks. The Post added that "a review of state records, internal e-mails of DBT employees and testimony before the civil rights commission and an elections task force showed no evidence that minorities were specifically targeted".[14]

In 2008, more than 98,000 registered Georgia voters were removed from the roll of voters because of discrepancies in computer records of their identification information. Some 4,500 voters had to prove their citizenship to regain their right to vote. Georgia was challenged[when?] for requesting more Social Security-based verifications than any other state—about 2 million voters in total. An attorney involved in the lawsuit said that since the letters were mailed within 90 days of the election, Georgia violated federal law. The director of the American Civil Liberty Union's Georgia Voting Rights Project said, "They are systematically using these lists and matching them and using those matches to send these letters out to voters. They're using a systematic purging procedure that's expressly prohibited by federal laws, if people who are properly eligible are getting improperly challenged and purged. Elise Shore, a regional attorney for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), agreed the letters appear to violate two federal laws against voter purging within 90 days of the election. People are being targeted, and people are being told they are non-citizens, including both naturalized citizens and U.S.-born citizens," said Shore. "They're being told they're not eligible to vote, based on information in a database that hasn't been checked and approved by the Department of Justice (DOJ), and that we know has flaws in it." Secretary of State Karen Handel denied that the removal of voters' names was an instance of voter suppression.[15][needs update]

Address confirmation cards

In 2019, presiding circuit court Judge Paul V. Malloy of Ozaukee County, Wisconsin, removed 234,000 voters from the statewide rolls, ruling that state law compelled him to do so for people flagged as 'having potentially moved' and who didn't respond within 30 days of a mailing sent to the address on file.[16]

"Use it or lose it"
"Use it or lose it" policies exist in nine states as of 2020. These laws select voters who have not voted in several elections. Voters are then sent a letter in the mail asking that they confirm their address. If this notice is not returned, it is assumed they have moved and they will be removed from the voter rolls.[17]

Illegal purges conducted by staff
Between November 2015 and early 2016, over 120,000 voters were dropped from rolls in Brooklyn, New York.[18] Officials have stated that the purge was a mistake and that those dropped represented a "broad cross-section" of the electorate. However, a WNYC analysis found that the purge had disproportionately affected majority-Hispanic districts. The board announced that it would reinstate all voters in time for the 2016 congressional primary.[19] The Board of Elections subsequently suspended the Republican appointee connected to the purge, but kept on her Democratic counterpart.[20]

Limitations on early and absentee voting
In North Carolina, Republican lawmakers requested data on various voting practices, broken down by race. They then passed laws that restricted voting and registration many ways that disproportionately affected African Americans, including cutting back on early voting.[21][22] In a 2016 appellate court case, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit struck down a law that removed the first week of early voting. The court held that the GOP used the data they gathered to remove the first week of early voting because more African American voters voted during that week, and African American voters were more likely to vote for Democrats.[23] Between 2008 and 2012 in North Carolina, 70% of African American voters voted early.[24] After cuts to early voting, African American turnout in early voting was down by 8.7% (around 66,000 votes) in North Carolina.[25][26]

As of 2020, Georgia requires absentee voters to provide their own postage for their ballots. On April 8, 2020, the ACLU filed a lawsuit challenging this rule, claiming it "is tantamount to a poll tax."[27]

Voting procedure disinformation
Voting procedure disinformation involves giving voters false information about when and how to vote, leading them to fail to cast valid ballots.

For example, in recall elections for the Wisconsin State Senate in 2011, Americans for Prosperity, a conservative political advocacy group founded in 2004 by brothers Charles and David Koch to support Republican candidates and causes in the United States,[28] sent many Democratic voters a mailing that gave an incorrect deadline for returning absentee ballots. Voters who relied on the deadline in the mailing could have sent in their ballots too late for them to be counted.[29] The organization claimed that it was caused by a typographical error.[30]

Just prior to the 2018 elections, The New York Times warned readers of numerous types of deliberate misinformation, sometimes targeting specific voter demographics. These types of disinformation included false information about casting ballots online by email and by text message, the circulation of doctored photographs in 2016 which claimed Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents were arresting voters at polling places and included threatening language meant to intimidate Latino voters, polling place hoaxes, disinformation on remote voting options, suspicious texts, voting machine malfunction rumors, misleading photos and videos, and false voter fraud allegations. The Times added that messages purportedly sent by Trump to voters in Indiana, Kansas, Michigan, and Georgia were actually disseminated from Republican organizations. In 2018, Trump actually spread information about defective machines in a single Utah county, giving the impression that such difficulties were occurring nationwide.[31]

Caging lists
Main article: Voter caging

Caging lists have been used by political parties to eliminate potential voters registered with other political parties. A political party sends registered mail to addresses of registered voters. If the mail is returned as undeliverable, the mailing organization uses that fact to challenge the registration, arguing that because the voter could not be reached at the address, the registration is fraudulent.[32]

Identification requirements
Further information: Voter identification laws in the United States

Some states have imposed photo ID requirements, which critics claim are intended to depress the turnout of minority voters. It has been explored whether or not photo ID laws disproportionately affect non-white voters and those of lower income: 8% of White Americans lack driver's licenses, for example, compared to 25% of African-American citizens.[33] For driver's licenses that are unexpired where the stated address and name exactly match the voter registration record, 16% of White Americans lack a valid license, compared to 27% of Latinos and 37% for African Americans.[10] In July 2016, a federal appeals court found that a 2011 Texas voter ID law discriminated against black and Hispanic voters because only a few types of ID were allowed; for example, military IDs and concealed carry permits were allowed, but state employee photo IDs and university photo IDs were not.[34] In August 2017, an updated version of the same Texas voter ID law was found unconstitutional in federal district court; the district judge indicated that one potential remedy for the discrimination would be to order Texas election-related laws to be pre-cleared by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ).[35] The court also ruled that the law would force some voters to spend money traveling to a government office to update their identification information; the court compared this provision to a poll tax.[36]

During the 21st century, Wisconsin and North Carolina – states with Republican-controlled governments – passed laws that restrict the ability of people to vote using student ID cards for identification. This is likely motivated by the fact that students tend to be more liberal than the general population.[37]

A 2019 paper by University of Bologna and Harvard Business School economists found that voter ID laws had "no negative effect on registration or turnout, overall or for any group defined by race, gender, age, or party affiliation."[38] A 2019 study in the journal Electoral Studies found that the implementation of voter ID laws in South Carolina reduced overall turnout but did not have a disparate impact.[39] 2019 studies in Political Science Quarterly and the Atlantic Economic Journal found no evidence that voter ID laws have a disproportionate influence on minorities,[40][41] while other studies show differently.[42] These claims are contradicted by the "Findings of fact and conclusions of law" in Fish v. Kobach: In that case, Judge Julie Robinson, who had been appointed to the bench by President George W. Bush, a Republican, noted that the Kansas Documentary Proof of Citizenship law illegally denied 12.4% of new voter registration applications, over 31,000 US citizens, during the period covered by data considered in that case.
 

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Now who has a time machine, Poindexter? It is 2023 and the election hasn't happened yet, right genius?
not to mention that only one of them lost in 2020
 

mandrill

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Yes, that's exactly how the great Republican voter great suppression effort works. ;)

There's a big problem with that complaint. As an American who has generally lived in numerous Blue cities and Blue counties, the Democrats even in Red States wouldn't stand for it. They would be taking this all the way to the Supreme Court. Anecdotally, I have lived in precincts where the majority of voters were Black and have never witnessed this so-called conspiracy to suppress the Black vote.

Remember when we were talking about media bias. You said Fox News was by far the worst. So in that biased media environment, how do you now what you are being told is the unvarnished truth? Isn't it possible liberal media looks for polling stations in Democratic strongholds where there are delays without an objective look into delays across the jurisdiction including Republican areas?



 

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It's nothing to celebrate. You have a front row seat to not only the subversion of the oldest and greatest democracy in the world , but also the death of traditional journalism. Win or lose, there's nothing redeeming about this spectacle.
How is charging rump with trying to claim paying off a porn star was an election expense going to subvert democracy, jc?
 

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I dunno, Earpie. Looks like MSNBC spends a LOT of time interviewing pro Trump guests. WAY more than Fox interviews pro Dems. How about that? 😯
That's great, but it still doesn't excuse them for not speaking with Costello or the 24/7 coverage of Avenatti for a few months. From what I have seen, Ari Melber is one of the more serious journalists on MSNBC.

Perhaps in this interview they talked about Trump's case in Georgia. Maybe they didn't spend much time discussing it. Almost all the cable news hosts steer the conversations the way the want. So that wouldn't be a surprise.

You seem to be hung up on this idea that Fox News is WAY worse. That might be true, but in my opinion it misses the point that the American news networks are not presenting the news. They are curating it in a way to support political parties.

This is not new. Since the early days of the Republic, we have had competing newspapers support opposing parties in their editorials, endorsements and yes reporting bias.
 
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...............He is still a weak, old and pathetic man (Trump)..............................One term president = weak, right?
Couldn't that describe Biden in a potential 2024 run?
Now who has a time machine, Poindexter? It is 2023 and the election hasn't happened yet, right genius?
No need for a time machine. We're already in the 2024 election cycle. I think Biden is going to be a one term President one way or another. These are called opinions of events that will unfold. The phrase "potential run" is an operative phrase here.
 
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