Trump Targets Annual 8% Defense Budget Cuts Through 2030

[Valcazar]

Aren't they already walking it back, declaring that its not cuts and other departments would get that money?

I hadn't seen that.
From the beginning they said they would be moving the money to stuff Trump wants.
That's still cuts to the military if you move the money from there.

 

[Frankfooter]

I hadn't seen that.
From the beginning they said they would be moving the money to stuff Trump wants.
That's still cuts to the military if you move the money from there.

True, its pretty early to tell exactly where he's going and he's too unclear publicly.
The people around him have an agenda, but whether that's his is the big question.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1893122114925818328

 

[Dutch Oven]

That is my comment about you, so don't turn it around on me.
As I mentioned I have read your comment before on this matter, and you have repeatedly called Trump's blathering "reasonable" when he is threatening Canada.
You have let your emotions get the better of you and you speak as an ideologue under a smokescreen of "market dynamics and trade".
I also addressed your perspective.
What you said about China, per your own admission is out there in the public space for all to find.
So it is clearly not an unknown and it is clearly something we already are aware of.
We already trade with them so am sure our businessmen know what to do there.
That is all the more reason to diversify and not rely solely on the US.

Your reading skills need improvement.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Your reading skills need improvement.

Your critical thinking skills need improvement.

 

[Dutch Oven]

You're letting Trumpism blind and brainwashed you.

This guy's whole position is we are ripping off America. There is no "what can we get out of these negotiations?". If Trump wants car production back in America, what exactly do you negotiate? If he want's a 25% tariff on both sides of the border, what exactly do you negotiate? We already have foreign investment, I'd argue we have too much American business here.

To add, He lies about drugs and illegals pour from the north, Then test the waters on trying to add Canada as the 51st State, Then publicly tells Russia we are vulnerable for attack in the Arctic. This is a very odd way of asking Canada to ally with him. And last time I checked, we already allies.

Wake up. He's trying to extort everyone.

And I called it a month ago. All that complaining about security at the border was all a excuse to extort money from Canada. This is not a negotiation.

You simply don't have the vision for this sort of negotiation. You should sit back and leave the process to work itself through. If Canada won't put someone competent at the helm, the Americans will have to do our thinking for us (like management does in many labour negotiations).

Ps. Careful what you wish for when you talk about limiting American investment. There's not enough capital in Canada to support the lifestyle we're used to.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Your critical thinking skills need improvement.

I'll only need them to argue with posters who can at least follow the plot.

 

[seanzo]

Who would dare call out America to pay their debts?

lol, What good is BRICS if America can blow every member back into the stone ages?

America paying it's debts isn't the problem. The problem is that BRICS nations wouldn't be buying American bonds anymore for their foreign trade. That amounts to trillions of dollars. Inflation in America will go full blown Weimar Republic. Also, BRICS is more of an economic union more than a defense union. Think of it as a less cunty alternative to the G7/20 rather than a NATO alternative and considering that several BRICS nations are also nuclear powers themselves, nobody is going to war over this

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I'll only need them to argue with posters who can at least follow the plot.

Oh I follow the wannabe MAGA Canadian loyal quislings and their plot to bend the knee to a Nazi alright.
I just don't agree with it as I have a little more pride and common sense than that.

 

[DesRicardo]

You simply don't have the vision for this sort of negotiation. You should sit back and leave the process to work itself through. If Canada won't put someone competent at the helm, the Americans will have to do our thinking for us (like management does in many labour negotiations).

Ps. Careful what you wish for when you talk about limiting American investment. There's not enough capital in Canada to support the lifestyle we're used to.

You've become Fredo, thinking there is a deal in it for you, but you're sadly mistaken.

You're in denial of what is actually happening, the threats and risks. Tell Trump to sit back and leave the process to work itself through. That's not how negotiations work.

PS. China was adamant for decades about limiting American investment. Now Chinese investment rivals American investment, while in Canada you can't buy a cup off coffee without paying a US owner.

If Canada won't put someone competent at the helm, the Americans will have to do our thinking for us (like management does in many labour negotiations).

But this is actually all we need to know about you. You believe in being a 51st state, you believe there is a deal in it for you.

You've already went off the cliff.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

But this is actually all we need to know about you. You believe in being a 51st state, you believe there is a deal in it for you.
You've already went off the cliff.

You summarized it perfectly.
He is a quisling that debates under a smokescreen of "market, trade and negotiations".
The quislings don't care about deals or what benefits Canada.
They are loyal idealogues for whom Canada is always second.

 

[DesRicardo]

America paying it's debts isn't the problem. The problem is that BRICS nations wouldn't be buying American bonds anymore for their foreign trade. That amounts to trillions of dollars. Inflation in America will go full blown Weimar Republic. Also, BRICS is more of an economic union more than a defense union. Think of it as a less cunty alternative to the G7/20 rather than a NATO alternative and considering that several BRICS nations are also nuclear powers themselves, nobody is going to war over this

lol, when you say BRICS nations, you mean China. There is no real alignment in BRICS. At the moment it's a failure, so it's hard for me to have a respect opinion.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

lol, when you say BRICS nations, you mean China. There is no real alignment in BRICS. At the moment it's a failure, so it's hard for me to have a respect opinion.

There is both rivalry and alignment in BRICS.
Yes not as organized as the G7 or NATO.
But it is an economic union and even though countries like India and China have issues with each other, the countries in the group have pretty good trade and strategic relations.
Not to mention there are 3 (or 4 if you count SA) nuclear powers in the group.
They are big enough and strong enough both militarily and economically, that they cannot be ignored.

 

[DesRicardo]

There is both rivalry and alignment in BRICS.
Yes not as organized as the G7 or NATO.
But it is an economic union and even though countries like India and China have issues with each other, the countries in the group have pretty good trade and strategic relations.
Not to mention there are 3 (or 4 if you count SA) nuclear powers in the group.
They are big enough and strong enough both militarily and economically, that they cannot be ignored.

Here's my main point about America and BRICS. America (and EU) isn't opposed to having these countries develop and trade, they just want to remain as the Masters to these countries.

There are many strategic unions in the world to better countries and their citizens. The west loves cheap labour and would love to expand production to cheaper nations.

The issue is trying to undermine America. That ain't going to happen.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Here's my main point about America and BRICS. America (and EU) isn't opposed to having these countries develop and trade, they just want to remain as the Masters to these countries.

There are many strategic unions in the world to better countries and their citizens. The west loves cheap labour and would love to expand production to cheaper nations.

The issue is trying to undermine America. That ain't going to happen.

Undermining isn't the word I would use.
But the world is increasingly becoming multi-polar and will continue in that direction.
So what that means is that America will be forced to share power.
They already do in many continents, but with much of the developing world rising that will increasingly be the case.
That said America will still be the sole dominant superpower for the foreseeable future.
I think their main concern was de-dollarization.
I think it will happen but I don't think it is imminent in the near future.
But it could very well be hastened by the slippery slope they are on. Time will tell.

 

[seanzo]

lol, when you say BRICS nations, you mean China. There is no real alignment in BRICS. At the moment it's a failure, so it's hard for me to have a respect opinion.

No when I say BRICS nations I mean all of them because they account for nearly half of global GDP. While you are certainly correct in that there are political divisions within BRICS you are missing the entire point of BRICS in the first place and that's to facilitate trade in a manner that can't be blocked by America. Call it a failure all you want, they are building institutions from the ground up to replace American controlled institutions that took decades to build. It's going to take time to see the fruits of their labour. One simply doesn't wave a magical wand about and mutter incantations to conjure these things out of thin air. It's not going to happen today or next month or even next year but it will happen, they've put entirely too much effort into this endeavor to just let it crash and burn

 

[DesRicardo]

Undermining isn't the word I would use.
But the world is increasingly becoming multi-polar and will continue in that direction.
So what that means is that America will be forced to share power.
They already do in many continents, but with much of the developing world rising that will increasingly be the case.
That said America will still be the sole dominant superpower for the foreseeable future.
I think their main concern was de-dollarization.
I think it will happen but I don't think it is imminent in the near future.
But it could very well be hastened by the slippery slope they are on. Time will tell.

You might not use undermining, but it's exactly what it is.
I totally disagree with everything you are saying here. Many people have bought in to the theory of BRICS and not looking at what is actually happening.
I think good things will happen from BRICS and it may serve as an alternative for poorer countries, but it's not close to becoming a real threat and if you subdue China the system is virtually squashed.

 

[DesRicardo]

No when I say BRICS nations I mean all of them because they account for nearly half of global GDP. While you are certainly correct in that there are political divisions within BRICS you are missing the entire point of BRICS in the first place and that's to facilitate trade in a manner that can't be blocked by America. Call it a failure all you want, they are building institutions from the ground up to replace American controlled institutions that took decades to build. It's going to take time to see the fruits of their labour. One simply doesn't wave a magical wand about and mutter incantations to conjure these things out of thin air. It's not going to happen today or next month or even next year but it will happen, they've put entirely too much effort into this endeavor to just let it crash and burn

That's great and I've stated the US isn't mad at that.

The issue is undermining America. If they create a system to take down America, it won't end well with them.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You might not use undermining, but it's exactly what it is.
I totally disagree with everything you are saying here. Many people have bought in to the theory of BRICS and not looking at what is actually happening.
I think good things will happen from BRICS and it may serve as an alternative for poorer countries, but it's not close to becoming a real threat and if you subdue China the system is virtually squashed.

Undermining how?
De-dollarization is that undermining you are talking about.
Which in my opinion wont happen in the near future, but may be possible in the long term as China, India become bigger.
China and India cannot be subdued and they will become bigger.
The combined population of the west, is less than the population of China or India (individually).
They are markets on their own.
So in short, they are huge markets, huge economies, some of the major producers of the world, and nuclear powers to boot.
How will you ignore and brush off such a group? You cant.
They are not a threat per se.
But they will be power sharers in the future with the west.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

The issue is undermining America. If they create a system to take down America, it won't end well with them.

There is nothing the US can really do.
What can they do?
The US is not militarily strong enough to beat Russia, India and China in a war.
That is a nuclear war no one including the countries involved want.
Economically these countries have large trade ties with the US for the US to just to go all out hostile.
That would devastate all of the economies involved.
So it is really mutually assured destruction militarily and economically.
In short in the future the US will resort to diplomacy and power sharing in order to urge the BRICS nations to be more friendly with the US, than the Trumpian "Do this, or else" tactic, that will not work with these nations.

 

[DesRicardo]

There is nothing the US can really do.
What can they do?
The US is not militarily strong enough to beat Russia, India and China in a war.
That is a nuclear war no one including the countries involved want.
Economically these countries have large trade ties with the US for the US to just to go all out hostile.
That would devastate all of the economies involved.
So it is really mutually assured destruction militarily and economically.
In short in the future the US will resort to diplomacy and power sharing in order to urge the BRICS nations to be more friendly with the US, than the Trumpian "Do this, or else" tactic, that will not work with these nations.

OK, well good luck to you waiting on Brazil becoming a superpower.

When you need a ride to catch your flight to India, let me know.