Trump signs executive order blocking asylum for illegal immigrants

[mandrill]

It was uncontroversial from when the Chretien Govt back I believe in 1995 changed the rules to tighten it alot. Before then and after 1979 Boat People wave that saw Canada change its policies it was quite open and thoroughly taken advantage of by overseas criminals. To the point it became a business for some lawyers to have agreements with overseas immigration brokers to pick them up at the airport after flushing their passports down the toilet enroute.


And it hummed along nicely I agree until Trudeau played his game for a selfie with Wynne.

AFAIK it was never "reformed" since back in the boat people days. Buddies of mine were still making $$$$$ representing entire boat loads of Sri Lankans 10 years ago and Harper did dick all to "fix the loop holes" - whatever you claim the "loop holes" supposedly are. And how Trudeau taking selfies changes that - well, enlighten me as to your theory, Mr Bernie Bro???? How did that magical selfie change the same fucking system as has been in place for decades???!!!????!!!

 

[Butler1000]

AFAIK it was never "reformed" since back in the boat people days. Buddies of mine were still making $$$$$ representing entire boat loads of Sri Lankans 10 years ago and Harper did dick all to "fix the loop holes" - whatever you claim the "loop holes" supposedly are. And how Trudeau taking selfies changes that - well, enlighten me as to your theory, Mr Bernie Bro???? How did that magical selfie change the same fucking system as has been in place for decades???!!!????!!!

Increased the numbers. They had remained stable at about 15,000 per year split between private adoptions and govt sponsored ones.

And I didn't say Harper fixed the loopholes. I said Chretien did. By changing the rules first recognized by the UN as refugees before being approved for consideration here. Killed off the Jamaican Posse and African scammers doing it.

I have no issues with lawyers working for legit refugees. The Sri Lankans damn well deserved to come in. The stories I heard from survivors were horrendous. And everyone of them worked twice as hard as anyone. I would have seen more in.

That and his tweet prompted thousands of venue shoppers at the USA border. Taking away resources for legit refugees actually in danger and need.

 

[mandrill]

Increased the numbers. They had remained stable at about 15,000 per year split between private adoptions and govt sponsored ones.

And I didn't say Harper fixed the loopholes. I said Chretien did. By changing the rules first recognized by the UN as refugees before being approved for consideration here. Killed off the Jamaican Posse and African scammers doing it.

I have no issues with lawyers working for legit refugees. The Sri Lankans damn well deserved to come in. The stories I heard from survivors were horrendous. And everyone of them worked twice as hard as anyone. I would have seen more in.

That and his tweet prompted thousands of venue shoppers at the USA border. Taking away resources for legit refugees actually in danger and need.

I'm trying to read your post and it doesn't make sense...

 

[Butler1000]

I'm trying to read your post and it doesn't make sense...

Ah. Bad typing. When Chretien changed the rules the first criteria to be eligible to apply was you had to register as a refugee with the UN.

Before if you just showed up on a plane without papers you could enter the process. Delay it for five years via appeals, then the lawyers would claim the person was settled and should be let in. Nice scam.

As you've noted the vast majority coming in via the USA will be denied. But that doesn't mean resources aren't being wasted to process them.

And it's all due to Trudeau.

 

[basketcase]

Absorbing refugees is a charitable thing to do. ...

Hey Franky, even Bud supports the idea of refugees. Sadly when your hateful politics gets in the way you don't.

 

[mandrill]

Ah. Bad typing. When Chretien changed the rules the first criteria to be eligible to apply was you had to register as a refugee with the UN.

Before if you just showed up on a plane without papers you could enter the process. Delay it for five years via appeals, then the lawyers would claim the person was settled and should be let in. Nice scam.

As you've noted the vast majority coming in via the USA will be denied. But that doesn't mean resources aren't being wasted to process them.

And it's all due to Trudeau.

You have no idea what you are writing about. Everything you write on this topic is completely incorrect.

When I have a chance to write a post on this later today, I will set out all the stupid, ignorant mistakes you made in your stupid, ignorant post.

 

[Bud Plug]

The fact is you're picking at loose threads in the refugee system for "cost saving" bullshit because brown people and black people piss you off and you can't handle the idea that they might be gaming the system.

How do you accomplish anything for your clients with your stunning lack of self control? Every time your legal opinion is challenged, you quickly shift to groundless personal insults. You should have stopped yourself before this ridiculous closing line of your post.

Charity is great thing when you can afford it, but as they say, charity begins at home. Are you (and those you are supporting) willing to live at a lower standard of living in order for Canada to take in more people on purely compassionate grounds? How much lower? For my part, I can think of many charitable causes I care a great deal more about (and contribute to) than saving people from the economic consequences of American interference in 3rd world countries.

 

[mandrill]

How do you accomplish anything for your clients with your stunning lack of self control? Every time your legal opinion is challenged, you quickly shift to groundless personal insults. You should have stopped yourself before this ridiculous closing line of your post.

Charity is great thing when you can afford it, but as they say, charity begins at home. Are you (and those you are supporting) willing to live at a lower standard of living in order for Canada to take in more people on purely compassionate grounds? How much lower? For my part, I can think of many charitable causes I care a great deal more about (and contribute to) than saving people from the economic consequences of American interference in 3rd world countries.

Gimme a break, Bud. How much of a hit is the standard of living of 320 million people in the wealthiest country in the world going to take from a few hundred wretched refugees from a high violence Third World Country.

What's that, Bud? One-tenth of one of your overpriced hot dogs at the Bills games you pay a couple of hundred $$ to attend several times a year. Actually, probably less. Paying for those little Guatemalan kids is really fucking with your life.

 

[mandrill]

Ah. Bad typing. When Chretien changed the rules the first criteria to be eligible to apply was you had to register as a refugee with the UN.

Before if you just showed up on a plane without papers you could enter the process. Delay it for five years via appeals, then the lawyers would claim the person was settled and should be let in. Nice scam.

As you've noted the vast majority coming in via the USA will be denied. But that doesn't mean resources aren't being wasted to process them.

And it's all due to Trudeau.

1. Chretien didn't do what you suggest. You do NOT have to "register as a refugee with the UN" to claim refugee status in Canada or anywhere else. Where did you get that notion from?

2. You can't show up on a plane without papers. Try flying to Montreal or Halifax some time.

3. Refugee determination never took 5 years, even with appeals. Everything is fast track. You know nothing about this.

4. It takes a lot more than living in Canada for 5 years to be "settled". You know nothing about this.

5. You have no idea what % of claimants from the US will be accepted or denied. The hearings haven't happened yet. Acceptance rates are historically far higher than you claim. And even if they weren't, that would be the cost of busiess to protect the genuine refugees.

6. It's not all due to Trudeau. I have pointed this out numerous times in numerous threads that you haven't bothered reading.

Simply put, you have wasted a few minutes of my life responding to your obsessive, uniformed twaddle. You have absolutely no knowledge base and yet you post as if you were an expert. What a waste of everyone's time and patience.

You will now waste more of everyone's time by arguing with me, instead of reading up on refugee law and procedure in Canada.

 

[danmand]

1. Chretien didn't do what you suggest. You do NOT have to "register as a refugee with the UN" to claim refugee status in Canada or anywhere else. Where did you get that notion from?

2. You can't show up on a plane without papers. Try flying to Montreal or Halifax some time.

3. Refugee determination never took 5 years, even with appeals. Everything is fast track. You know nothing about this.

4. It takes a lot more than living in Canada for 5 years to be "settled". You know nothing about this.

5. You have no idea what % of claimants from the US will be accepted or denied. The hearings haven't happened yet. Acceptance rates are historically far higher than you claim. And even if they weren't, that would be the cost of busiess to protect the genuine refugees.

6. It's not all due to Trudeau. I have pointed this out numerous times in numerous threads that you haven't bothered reading.

Simply put, you have wasted a few minutes of my life responding to your obsessive, uniformed twaddle. You have absolutely no knowledge base and yet you post as if you were an expert. What a waste of everyone's time and patience.

You will now waste more of everyone's time by arguing with me, instead of reading up on refugee law and procedure in Canada.

And all because he is trying to support the unsupportable, Trump's idiotic policies.

 

[Bud Plug]

Gimme a break, Bud. How much of a hit is the standard of living of 320 million people in the wealthiest country in the world going to take from a few hundred wretched refugees from a high violence Third World Country.

What's that, Bud? One-tenth of one of your overpriced hot dogs at the Bills games you pay a couple of hundred $$ to attend several times a year. Actually, probably less. Paying for those little Guatemalan kids is really fucking with your life.

Canada and Ontario already spend more money than they have. Whatever the price of attending Buffalo Bills games, I don't spend money that I don't have. If you are asking whether I would give up going to football games so that people who want to try to make more money here in Canada can do so, at my expense, my answer is a clear no. If you're asking whether I'm ok with Canada borrowing money to do so, so that young Canadians will eventually have to pay for it, my answer is a clear no. For anyone who feels differently, feel free to sponsor an immigration application.

When will people like you finally realize that our governments are already broke, and we can't afford more charity?

 

[mandrill]

Canada and Ontario already spend more money than they have. Whatever the price of attending Buffalo Bills games, I don't spend money that I don't have. If you are asking whether I would give up going to football games so that people who want to try to make more money here in Canada can do so, at my expense, my answer is a clear no. If you're asking whether I'm ok with Canada borrowing money to do so, so that young Canadians will eventually have to pay for it, my answer is a clear no. For anyone who feels differently, feel free to sponsor an immigration application.

When will people like you finally realize that our governments are already broke, and we can't afford more charity?

Nice try.

The point I was making is that the cost of a refugee system is a microscopic fraction of the overall budget. You obviously resent that this relatively small amount of money is spent to assist people from the third world or sometimes Eastern Europe to escape torture and murder. This doesn't surprise anyone on this board.

 

[danmand]

Nice try.

The point I was making is that the cost of a refugee system is a microscopic fraction of the overall budget. You obviously resent that this relatively small amount of money is spent to assist people from the third world or sometimes Eastern Europe to escape torture and murder. This doesn't surprise anyone on this board.

That is too subtle an argument for him to understand.

 

[onthebottom]

The order is clearly illegal, as it contravenes the current immigration and refugee legislation passed by Congress in the 1960's.

If Trump wants to change the immigration law in the US, he can ask the House to pass new legislation. I'm sure they'll bend over backwards.

Like Obama did with “dreamers”.... oh, wait....

 

[Bud Plug]

Nice try.

The point I was making is that the cost of a refugee system is a microscopic fraction of the overall budget. You obviously resent that this relatively small amount of money is spent to assist people from the third world or sometimes Eastern Europe to escape torture and murder. This doesn't surprise anyone on this board.

Your inability to relate a governments capacity for charitable spending to its fiscal position surprises no one. There are lots of tragedies in this world and people who could use some help. Why aren't we paying for them all? The obvious answer is - we can't, and we also haven't run out of problems to solve here at home. So why are we picking these particular causes to spend money that we don't have? I think the answer has to do with buying voters. Your cavalier "drop in the bucket" response is an insult to all Canadians who expend some thought and effort, and often make financial sacrifices, to manage their own personal budgets responsibly. Your attitude is pure plutocracy.

There have been different points in the history of Canada when we could afford to be more generous. That's not where we are at this time. Will it take a Greece-type meltdown before the soft bankruptcy of Canada/Ontario is understood? Clearly it will with certain TERB members.

 

[Bud Plug]

That is too subtle an argument for him to understand.

Let's see if you can understand an argument that isn't subtle at all - governments shouldn't spend money on charitable causes that they don't have.

 

[mandrill]

Let's see if you can understand an argument that isn't subtle at all - governments shouldn't spend money on charitable causes that they don't have.

Hey Bud.

Write a letter to Trudeau and carbon copy Scheer. Tell him that you resent having to pay a quarter the price of a Bills stadium hot dog to save a little girl in Nigeria from being tortured and killed. I'm sure they'll snap into action.

 

[Bud Plug]

Hey Bud.

Write a letter to Trudeau and carbon copy Scheer. Tell him that you resent having to pay a quarter the price of a Bills stadium hot dog to save a little girl in Nigeria from being tortured and killed. I'm sure they'll snap into action.

How about this, why don't you kick in extra on your taxes this year to cover all the government virtue signalling charity that they can't afford, and I'll make a similar deduction from my taxes? Ooops, I guess this "drop in the bucket" nonsense only works if you can force everyone else to chip in to pay for the generosity you can't afford!

Of course, if you're really are running a law office, you already understand the realities of administering a budget. I'm not sure why you think the same principles don't apply to running the budget of a country or province? Is that budget somehow "not real"? Or you don't believe anyone will ever really have to pay down the debt? It's a mystery to me - please explain.

 

[mandrill]

How about this, why don't you kick in extra on your taxes this year to cover all the government virtue signalling charity that they can't afford, and I'll make a similar deduction from my taxes? Ooops, I guess this "drop in the bucket" nonsense only works if you can force everyone else to chip in to pay for the generosity you can't afford!

Of course, if you're really are running a law office, you already understand the realities of administering a budget. I'm not sure why you think the same principles don't apply to running the budget of a country or province? Is that budget somehow "not real"? Or you don't believe anyone will ever really have to pay down the debt? It's a mystery to me - please explain.

Sure, Bud. I'll kick in an extra dollar for you, so you don't have to pay for all those dying black and brown kids.... if paying that extra dollar means that much to you. I'll even make it TWO dollars and pay for Butler as well.

Let's cut the dog whistle and say that you single out the refugee program to whine about because you hate blacks and browns. You'll never admit this. But you have written how much you hate that 30 seconds at your Bills home games when those Black players take a knee during the anthem. The "budget deficit" argument is just your nasty little wedge into the topic, so you can take a swipe at all those awful Haitians and Nigerians who are going to mess up your nice white heritage country.

 

[Bud Plug]

Sure, Bud. I'll kick in an extra dollar for you, so you don't have to pay for all those dying black and brown kids.... if paying that extra dollar means that much to you. I'll even make it TWO dollars and pay for Butler as well.

Let's cut the dog whistle and say that you single out the refugee program to whine about because you hate blacks and browns. You'll never admit this. But you have written how much you hate that 30 seconds at your Bills home games when those Black players take a knee during the anthem. The "budget deficit" argument is just your nasty little wedge into the topic, so you can take a swipe at all those awful Haitians and Nigerians who are going to mess up your nice white heritage country.

If we're cutting to the chase for real, then let me put on the table that i think you're a childish a-hole for resorting to an accusation of racism simply because someone thinks you are out to lunch on immigration/refugee policy. I also think you might drink a little too much, because you appear to lack any reasonable amount of impulse control. And goodness only knows what other nastiness you've been up to in your life for your guilt to manifest itself in such a fervent display of perpetual virtue signalling. I also seriously doubt your claim to be a practicing lawyer given your lack of impulse control, ethical elasticity, incorrect statements of law, and foolhardy disclosure of your profession, areas of practice, as well as the alleged details of some of your cases.

So, we can continue to exchange about how little we think of one another, or you can start sticking to the issues being debated.