Trump rescuing white South Africans from "genocide"
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" The public interest is defined in section 25(4)(a) of the Constitution as including initiatives supporting land reform and equitable access to natural resources. Section 25(8) of the Constitution further authorises legislative measures to address historical racial discrimination. "
Righting the wrongs of apartheid isn't racial discrimination as it is being alleged.
South Africa is the DEI final boss, and unless they change course (ie. merit-based hiring; partnerships with other nations; investments into infrastructure/businesses; clamp down on corruption and crime), it will be a basket case with millions starving 20 years from now.
When the young woman she interviews says that certain people (specifically white males) can't get jobs despite having the commensurate degree, it's very reminiscent of the rhetoric and subtle policies we see right here in Canada and the USA.
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But that's not persecution. Especially if they are being financially compensated.
A check of Trump's false claims about white genocide in South Africa | Reuters
JOHANNESBURG, May 22 (Reuters) - Following is a look at some of the claims made by U.S. President Donald Trump about the alleged persecution of South Africa's white minority. Trump made several false statements and misrepresented some facts during a contentious Oval Office meeting on Wednesday with President Cyril Ramaphosa.
Ramaphosa tried to rebuff the assertions but was frequently interrupted by Trump, who repeated the claims. Trump had staff play a video consisting mostly of years-old clips of inflammatory speeches by some South African politicians that have been circulating on social media.
Among the claims contradicted by the evidence:
1. There is a genocide of white farmers in South Africa.
This conspiracy theory has been propagated by some fringe groups of white South Africans since the end of apartheid in 1994. It has been circulating in global far-right chat rooms for at least a decade, with the vocal support of Trump's ally, South African-born Elon Musk.
Supporters of the theory point to murders of white farmers in remote rural parts of the country as proof of a politically orchestrated campaign of ethnic cleansing, rather than ordinary violent crime.
They accuse the government of being complicit in the farm murders, either by encouraging them or at least turning a blind eye. The government strongly denies this.
South Africa has one of the world's highest murder rates, with an average of 72 a day, in a country of 60 million people. Most victims are Black.
South African police recorded 26,232 murders nationwide in 2024, of which 44 were linked to farming communities. Of those, eight of the victims were farmers.
Data collected by white farmers themselves also does not support the notion of a genocide. Afrikaner farmers' union TLU-SA has counted 1,363 white farmers murdered since 1990, or an average of 40 a year - far less than 1% of total murders.
The high court in Western Cape province ruled that claims of white genocide were "clearly imagined and not real" in a case earlier this year, forbidding a donation to a white supremacist group on those grounds.
2. The government is expropriating land from white farmers without compensation, including through violent land seizures, in order to distribute it to Black South Africans.
The government has a policy of attempting to redress inequalities in land ownership that are a legacy of apartheid and colonialism. But no land has been expropriated, and the government has instead tried to encourage white farmers to sell their land willingly.
That hasn't worked. Some three-quarters of privately-owned farmland is still in the hands of whites, who make up less than 8% of the population, while 4% is owned by Black South Africans who make up 80%.
In an effort to address this, Ramaphosa signed a law in January allowing the state to expropriate land "in the public interest," in rare cases without compensating the owner. The law requires authorities to first try to reach an agreement. It still hasn't been used.
3. The "Kill the Boer (farmer)" song sung by some Black South Africans is an explicit call to murder Afrikaners, the ethnic group of European descent who make up the majority of whites and who own most of the farmland.
The song dates back to the resistance against apartheid, when Afrikaner nationalists controlled the country. In one of the video clips Trump showed, firebrand opposition leader Julius Malema of the Marxist Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) is singing the song.
Three South African courts have ruled against attempts to have this designated as hate speech, on the basis that it is a historical liberation chant, not a literal incitement to violence.
In a statement following the meeting between Trump and Ramaphosa, the EFF said it was "a song that expresses the desire to destroy the system of white minority control over the resources of South Africa".
"We didn't know that we would form part of those theatrics to try and justify the existence of a white genocide that is obviously not occurring in South Africa," EFF spokesperson Sinawo Thambo told Reuters.
4. Trump played a video clip that showed a long line of white crosses on the side of a highway, which Trump said were "burial sites" for white farmers.
The video was made in September 2020 during a protest against farm murders after two people were killed on their farm a week earlier. The crosses did not mark actual graves. An organizer told South Africa's public broadcaster, SABC, at the time that the wooden crosses represented farmers who had been killed over the years.
5. Trump held up a printed sheet of paper with a picture of people lifting body bags and said, "These are all white farmers that are being buried".
The image actually showed humanitarian workers burying bodies in the city of Goma in Democratic Republic of Congo. It was a screengrab taken from Reuters video footage in early February following deadly battles against Rwanda-backed M23 rebels who had captured the city.
The image was added to a blog post about tribalism in South Africa and Congo which did not provide a caption but gave a link to the YouTube video it was taken from, which credited Reuters. Trump showed the blog to reporters amid a stack of printed articles which he claimed showed evidence of killings of white people in South Africa.
6. The opening scene of the White House video shows Malema in South Africa's parliament announcing "people are going to occupy land. We require no permission from ... the president". It also shows another clip of him pledging to expropriate land.
Some land has been illegally occupied over the years, mostly by desperate squatters with nowhere else to go, although some land seizures are politically motivated. The land is usually unused and there is no evidence the EFF orchestrated any land invasions.
A check of Trump's false claims about white genocide in South Africa | Reuters
JOHANNESBURG, May 22 (Reuters) - Following is a look at some of the claims made by U.S. President Donald Trump about the alleged persecution of South Africa's white minority. Trump made several false statements and misrepresented some facts during a contentious Oval Office meeting on Wednesday with President Cyril Ramaphosa.
Ramaphosa tried to rebuff the assertions but was frequently interrupted by Trump, who repeated the claims. Trump had staff play a video consisting mostly of years-old clips of inflammatory speeches by some South African politicians that have been circulating on social media.
Among the claims contradicted by the evidence:
1. There is a genocide of white farmers in South Africa.
This conspiracy theory has been propagated by some fringe groups of white South Africans since the end of apartheid in 1994. It has been circulating in global far-right chat rooms for at least a decade, with the vocal support of Trump's ally, South African-born Elon Musk.
Supporters of the theory point to murders of white farmers in remote rural parts of the country as proof of a politically orchestrated campaign of ethnic cleansing, rather than ordinary violent crime.
They accuse the government of being complicit in the farm murders, either by encouraging them or at least turning a blind eye. The government strongly denies this.
South Africa has one of the world's highest murder rates, with an average of 72 a day, in a country of 60 million people. Most victims are Black.
South African police recorded 26,232 murders nationwide in 2024, of which 44 were linked to farming communities. Of those, eight of the victims were farmers.
Data collected by white farmers themselves also does not support the notion of a genocide. Afrikaner farmers' union TLU-SA has counted 1,363 white farmers murdered since 1990, or an average of 40 a year - far less than 1% of total murders.
The high court in Western Cape province ruled that claims of white genocide were "clearly imagined and not real" in a case earlier this year, forbidding a donation to a white supremacist group on those grounds.
2. The government is expropriating land from white farmers without compensation, including through violent land seizures, in order to distribute it to Black South Africans.
The government has a policy of attempting to redress inequalities in land ownership that are a legacy of apartheid and colonialism. But no land has been expropriated, and the government has instead tried to encourage white farmers to sell their land willingly.
That hasn't worked. Some three-quarters of privately-owned farmland is still in the hands of whites, who make up less than 8% of the population, while 4% is owned by Black South Africans who make up 80%.
In an effort to address this, Ramaphosa signed a law in January allowing the state to expropriate land "in the public interest," in rare cases without compensating the owner. The law requires authorities to first try to reach an agreement. It still hasn't been used.
3. The "Kill the Boer (farmer)" song sung by some Black South Africans is an explicit call to murder Afrikaners, the ethnic group of European descent who make up the majority of whites and who own most of the farmland.
The song dates back to the resistance against apartheid, when Afrikaner nationalists controlled the country. In one of the video clips Trump showed, firebrand opposition leader Julius Malema of the Marxist Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) is singing the song.
Three South African courts have ruled against attempts to have this designated as hate speech, on the basis that it is a historical liberation chant, not a literal incitement to violence.
In a statement following the meeting between Trump and Ramaphosa, the EFF said it was "a song that expresses the desire to destroy the system of white minority control over the resources of South Africa".
"We didn't know that we would form part of those theatrics to try and justify the existence of a white genocide that is obviously not occurring in South Africa," EFF spokesperson Sinawo Thambo told Reuters.
4. Trump played a video clip that showed a long line of white crosses on the side of a highway, which Trump said were "burial sites" for white farmers.
The video was made in September 2020 during a protest against farm murders after two people were killed on their farm a week earlier. The crosses did not mark actual graves. An organizer told South Africa's public broadcaster, SABC, at the time that the wooden crosses represented farmers who had been killed over the years.
5. Trump held up a printed sheet of paper with a picture of people lifting body bags and said, "These are all white farmers that are being buried".
The image actually showed humanitarian workers burying bodies in the city of Goma in Democratic Republic of Congo. It was a screengrab taken from Reuters video footage in early February following deadly battles against Rwanda-backed M23 rebels who had captured the city.
The image was added to a blog post about tribalism in South Africa and Congo which did not provide a caption but gave a link to the YouTube video it was taken from, which credited Reuters. Trump showed the blog to reporters amid a stack of printed articles which he claimed showed evidence of killings of white people in South Africa.
6. The opening scene of the White House video shows Malema in South Africa's parliament announcing "people are going to occupy land. We require no permission from ... the president". It also shows another clip of him pledging to expropriate land.
Some land has been illegally occupied over the years, mostly by desperate squatters with nowhere else to go, although some land seizures are politically motivated. The land is usually unused and there is no evidence the EFF orchestrated any land invasions.
A check of Trump's false claims about white genocide in South Africa | Reuters
Much ado about nothing indeed. Nothing to see here folks. Let's get bygones be bygones.Yeah, it's much ado about nothing. That's why a stadium full of blacks shout, "Shoot to kill, kill the Boer, the farmer":
I'm actually far more offended by the guy who killed activists. The main subject of the video was a vigilante thug, but SA was a VERY violent country - still is. And he was hunting criminals. That said, in a civilized country, his victims would have been arrested and tried, not just gunned down.
Stop splitting hairs.
While nothing has come of it yet, it can certainly be used with or without compensation, or with bullshit compensation.
That's just one aspect of what's happening there.
It's not a meritocracy and that's why they're suffering from problems with infrastructure.
All that I agree with you on is that there is no racial genocide occurring. It's just a very violent place for everyone.
But you ignore and pretend that there is no systemic racial discrimination.
Chants of killing specific people inside fully packed stadiums wouldn't be tolerated anywhere in the west.
One has to wonder with regard to farmland... instead of expropriating existing farmland... what about allotting new land for farming? Is there a lack of land?
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Yup, keep working for more of this.
Maybe, but the people suffering the most and worse than ever before is the large poor black population in South Africa.
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It does fit the dictionary definition of persecution.
Give it 10 years. It's going to get ugly.
In a crumbling society desperation increases, fingers get pointed, groups get scapegoated, rhetoric heats up (i.e. "kill [whoever]"), and it all finally spills over into bloody action.
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Well, it must have been a truly massive genocide if there are only 59 survivors.
How many died?
Lauren Southern documented the white farmer murders in SA.
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I beg to differ. Canada has DEI programs. Does that make you a refugee???
Then they fit the definition of refugees at that time.
Just like all the non whites who Trump is deporting are refugees RIGHT NOW - but you and the GOP dgaf and are happy to see those poor fucks deported and killed.
She also does this video about talking to bears and this video is 100% absolutely true as well.
Sure it does,
The Act seeks to assist marginalized communities, including women, youth, LGBTQI+ individuals, and persons with disabilities, by facilitating improved access to services through resource distribution,[4] and "to redress the results of past racial discriminatory laws or practices” in reference to historical apartheid practices.
