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Trump blames Zelensky again: "Millions dead because of 3 people

oil&gas

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MAGA victory is Putin’s victory. Ukraine is bleeding while USSR is coming back to life.
If Putin emerges victorious in the Ukraine war it will have as much to
do with Europe as Trump. The UK, France, Germany and others are
cheapos as well as sissies who would neither provide sufficient aid needed
by Ukraine or to deploy their troops to fight Putin., Nonetheless they
will keep up with their support to Ukraine for it to fight to the end to
weaken Russia.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Would you call the side of a conflict losing people (from
civilians fleeing in millions), losing territories, losing well
trained troops that had to be replaced with the poorly trained
and suffer extensive destruction of infrastructures not losing
the war with a straight face?.
Yes I would.
Putin wanted to militarily annex Ukraine. He failed.
Additionally he lost some of his own territory.
The poorly trained troops from the poorest country in Europe cannot be made to surrender.
Instead he is using criminals, North Koreans and Africans.
More than a million of his own citizens have fled Russia because they dont want to have anything to do with his war.
He tried politically justifying the whole thing. He failed.
Now Russia is a world pariah and even the US throwing Ukraine under the bus does not seem to have changed his luck.
 

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Trumputin, Russia's savior and Ukraine's worst nightmare.

"Adam Mockler with MeidasTouch Network breaks down Ben Shapiro's breakdown of Donald Trump's disastrous Ukraine “peace plan,” which gives Putin land, lifts sanctions, and abandons NATO in exchange for nothing."

 

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Wow, this is shocking. One by one, the right wing echo chamber podcasters will be turning on their master.

MAGA Fan Meets With Zelenskyy, TURNS AGAINST TRUMP!
 

oil&gas

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Trumputin, Russia's savior and Ukraine's worst nightmare.

"Adam Mockler with MeidasTouch Network breaks down Ben Shapiro's breakdown of Donald Trump's disastrous Ukraine “peace plan,” which gives Putin land, lifts sanctions, and abandons NATO in exchange for nothing."
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No longer true now that Trump has secured a mineral deal
with Ukraine. Zelensky must be very pleased to continue
receiving economic and military aid from Trump. Time will
tell whether Trump's plan is diastrous. It is possible Ukraine
in the future will kick out American miners possibly with help
from Russia.
 

dirtydaveiii

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Ok how far back do you want to go with Russia signing unequivocable treaties and agreements recognizing the absolute soveriegnity of Ukraine? "Soviet Splinter" toilet paper is more valuable than anything Russia signs.

And besides who the fuck is Russia to issue ultimatums of whose company they want others to keep? And to go to war on ... which excuse are you/Russia using now? NATO? I thought it was protecting Russian speakers? Welcoming their Ukrainian brothers back into the SSR? Or the dozen other ones.

Russia invaded Ukraine because they thought they could get away with stealing it from the Ukrainian people. No more no less.

They will never ever take Ukraine but they have now fucked themselves into the corner of a war economy.
We all know it was to stop the flow of fentenoyl and illegals crosing the border
 

nottyboi

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WW2 isn't relevant to this conflict.
And one could say Russia only won because Germany was spread out thin, and Russia had more meat shields than the Germans did.
The US did beat Japan in WW2.
Even nuking them is a military win.
The Japanese literally surrendered to the US and signed a surrender document.
Russia hasn't won the war and even a negotiated peace would still be considered a stalemate after 3 years.
That is not really accurate. Look at when the bombs were dropped, and when Russia attacked the Japanese in Manchuria. Once the USA offered to allow Japan to not hang the emperor they agreed. It was NOT an unconditional surrender.
 
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