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I see that too many people still don't get the Trump phenomenon. He's a symptom of rotten democracy where politicians openly prostitute themselves to special interests. This is not about any one issue, it never was with Trump. We can argue about this or that promise, but that's not Trump's game nor what attracts people to his candidacy.
 

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I see that too many people still don't get the Trump phenomenon. He's a symptom of rotten democracy where politicians openly prostitute themselves to special interests. This is not about any one issue, it never was with Trump. We can argue about this or that promise, but that's not Trump's game nor what attracts people to his candidacy.
They still think that the old rules apply. The ones that control a sleeping/apathetic populace where only half vote and most are already registered as republican or democrat.

He is changing the rules. He has the one ability the rest didn't have. The ability to dominate the conversation. Today they are debating whether Clinton is an enabler. And it is the Democrat pundits playing defense.

Too funny.
 

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Another flip flop:

Trump backpedaling in his Muslim ban after London mayor elect Sadiq Khan said he would have to go meet counterparts in Chicago and New York before the election since Trump would ban him due to his faith.

Trump, looking ridiculous, was forced to admit he would have to make an exception for the Mayor of London.
 

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Hillary stating while SOS she supported TPTP until Bernie said he didn't. Now she doesn't. Or does she? Who can tell. She probably does if the donations to the Clinton Foundation from foreign interests continue to flow.
 

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Assuming you mean the Trans Pacific Partnership (you put an extra T in there) --

Both Trump and Clinton will support it, regardless of what they say in public. So would Sanders. It's critically important to US interests, both strategic and economic. ANY American president would support it. Particularly a guy like Trump who represents big business, he will absolutely support it.

Now what he SAYS... see post 1 about flip flopping.
 

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Assuming you mean the Trans Pacific Partnership (you put an extra T in there) --

Both Trump and Clinton will support it, regardless of what they say in public. So would Sanders. It's critically important to US interests, both strategic and economic. ANY American president would support it. Particularly a guy like Trump who represents big business, he will absolutely support it.

Now what he SAYS... see post 1 about flip flopping.
So now first she supported it, then has publically said on the campaign she doesn't. But secretly she does IYO.

But secretly the other two do as well? And that's your reasoning to defend a blatant flip flop on her part?

Wow. Just wow.
 

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Another flip flop:

Trump backpedaling in his Muslim ban after London mayor elect Sadiq Khan said he would have to go meet counterparts in Chicago and New York before the election since Trump would ban him due to his faith.

Trump, looking ridiculous, was forced to admit he would have to make an exception for the Mayor of London.
Wrong again. He has ALWAYS said government officials would be exceptions. To prohibit heads of state would be ludicrous. Fortunately that's never been Trump's position. It's only been the position of lying editorials, naive readers, and haters like yourself.
 

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Donald Trump’s Pick for Fund-Raiser Is Rife With Contradictions

I see that too many people still don't get the Trump phenomenon. He's a symptom of rotten democracy where politicians openly prostitute themselves to special interests. This is not about any one issue, it never was with Trump. We can argue about this or that promise, but that's not Trump's game nor what attracts people to his candidacy.
Wow you swallowed the hook and running the line out without looking behind. Don't forget that if you can't address Trump lies - just switch the topic to Hillary without tackling the obvious Trump failure.

Oh by the way - for those of us that don't get it or understand this Trump self funding proves he is not beholding to the establishment ... now that he has secured the Republican nomination - Trump has hired a Goldman Sachs money man to help him raise $1 billion dollars (from establishment/ lobbyists) .

Wall Street has been agog since last Thursday, when Donald Trump announced that Steven Mnuchin — who made his fortune at Goldman Sachs ... would be responsible for helping him raise $1 billion for Republicans and his own campaign.

Well Trump supporters - how does it feel to be played ? Trump wants the Presidency and it has nothing to do with your little idealist values. You got him to the ball - now he's turning his back and distancing himself from the bigots, racists and paranoid right wings who could hold him back from the Presidency.

Oh the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/10/b...-raiser-is-rife-with-contradictions.html?_r=0
 

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America has rotted out internally and is increasingly neutered internationally. The best that America has to offer for leaders is Clinton and Trump which is indicative of many things. Trump is as real as his hair piece and his wife's tits.
 

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Wow you swallowed the hook and running the line out without looking behind. Don't forget that if you can't address Trump lies - just switch the topic to Hillary without tackling the obvious Trump failure.

Oh by the way - for those of us that don't get it or understand this Trump self funding proves he is not beholding to the establishment ... now that he has secured the Republican nomination - Trump has hired a Goldman Sachs money man to help him raise $1 billion dollars (from establishment/ lobbyists) .

Wall Street has been agog since last Thursday, when Donald Trump announced that Steven Mnuchin — who made his fortune at Goldman Sachs ... would be responsible for helping him raise $1 billion for Republicans and his own campaign.

Well Trump supporters - how does it feel to be played ? Trump wants the Presidency and it has nothing to do with your little idealist values. You got him to the ball - now he's turning his back and distancing himself from the bigots, racists and paranoid right wings who could hold him back from the Presidency.

Oh the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/10/b...-raiser-is-rife-with-contradictions.html?_r=0
Where did I say I support Trump? Where did I mention his Democratic opponent?
 

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Wow you swallowed the hook and running the line out without looking behind. Don't forget that if you can't address Trump lies - just switch the topic to Hillary without tackling the obvious Trump failure.

Oh by the way - for those of us that don't get it or understand this Trump self funding proves he is not beholding to the establishment ... now that he has secured the Republican nomination - Trump has hired a Goldman Sachs money man to help him raise $1 billion dollars (from establishment/ lobbyists) .

Wall Street has been agog since last Thursday, when Donald Trump announced that Steven Mnuchin — who made his fortune at Goldman Sachs ... would be responsible for helping him raise $1 billion for Republicans and his own campaign.

Well Trump supporters - how does it feel to be played ? Trump wants the Presidency and it has nothing to do with your little idealist values. You got him to the ball - now he's turning his back and distancing himself from the bigots, racists and paranoid right wings who could hold him back from the Presidency.

Oh the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/10/b...-raiser-is-rife-with-contradictions.html?_r=0
His VP pick will also be a political insider. His international negotiators will also be Wall Street cutthroat types. Who else he going to hire?

Poor docile broke idealists can't get the job done.

Power can be harnessed for good or bad. We all know that it's easy to corrupt. The hope is that good leadership with a different set of policies will lead to better results.
 

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Wow you swallowed the hook and running the line out without looking behind. Don't forget that if you can't address Trump lies - just switch the topic to Hillary without tackling the obvious Trump failure.

Oh by the way - for those of us that don't get it or understand this Trump self funding proves he is not beholding to the establishment ... now that he has secured the Republican nomination - Trump has hired a Goldman Sachs money man to help him raise $1 billion dollars (from establishment/ lobbyists) .

Wall Street has been agog since last Thursday, when Donald Trump announced that Steven Mnuchin — who made his fortune at Goldman Sachs ... would be responsible for helping him raise $1 billion for Republicans and his own campaign.

Well Trump supporters - how does it feel to be played ? Trump wants the Presidency and it has nothing to do with your little idealist values. You got him to the ball - now he's turning his back and distancing himself from the bigots, racists and paranoid right wings who could hold him back from the Presidency.

Oh the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/10/b...-raiser-is-rife-with-contradictions.html?_r=0
Actually IM469 I want Bernie. But I also want to see an outsider in to show off just how corrupt Washington has become. I want crowds and protests and what have you so that the gerrymandering stops, finance reform comes in, term limits are imposed et al.

That won't happen under Clinton, or any establishment Republican. So out they must go.
 

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Hillary doesn't believe in anything other than Hillary, she will blow in the wind....
Ok, and Donald Trump is a giant coward who's approval rate among female voters is at 30%. Then tend not to forget the bimbo and ugly fat pig comments.
 

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Then tend not to forget the bimbo and ugly fat pig comments.
Those statements are no more sexist than the things he's said about men.

You give women too little credit. They're much smarter than you think they are.
 

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Ok, and Donald Trump is a giant coward who's approval rate among female voters is at 30%. Then tend not to forget the bimbo and ugly fat pig comments.
As opposed to Hillary who slut shamed a 12 year old rape victim? Please.........
 

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Trump should release his tax returns.

His unwillingness to do will cast doubt among some voters and will hurt him. His criticism of others and the status of the country - no matter how politically incorrect - were true so it bolstered his candidacy. His marriages and life are open books. He has a lot going for him in that regard. The last thing he should do is create a cloud of doubt over his returns. While tax returns may tell a limited story, they do provide information about tax rates, charity contributions, and so on. These are important in an election based in large part on the economy.

Clinton cheerleaders should learn how to be critical of or at least objective about their own candidate. Nobody is perfect.
 

jcpro

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Trump should release his tax returns.

His unwillingness to do will cast doubt among some voters and will hurt him. His criticism of others and the status of the country - no matter how politically incorrect - were true so it bolstered his candidacy. His marriages and life are open books. He has a lot going for him in that regard. The last thing he should do is create a cloud of doubt over his returns. While tax returns may tell a limited story, they do provide information about tax rates, charity contributions, and so on. These are important in an election based in large part on the economy.

Clinton cheerleaders should learn how to be critical of or at least objective about their own candidate. Nobody is perfect.
Trump's tax returns don't matter because the voters don't have the attention span to sift through them. The general election will not be about any one issue, it will be decided on perception. What I find fascinating is what will happen on the Democratic side. In all the talk about the divided Republicans everyone forgot that the Dems are in a real serious mess. Bernie refuses to go away, the exit polling says that voters will defect to Trump, if Clinton is chosen and California vote is still ahead. What happen if Bernie wins? Especially in the light of the latest polls from the swing states.
 

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Trump won't release his returns because they will show him to be a complete hypocrite. He likely has the lion's share of his wealth in offshore companies to avoid paying US taxes, all the while he talks this America first crap.

I don't think the guy believes ANYTHING he says and his returns will likely give a glimpse of that.
 

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Trump's tax returns don't matter because the voters don't have the attention span to sift through them. The general election will not be about any one issue, it will be decided on perception. What I find fascinating is what will happen on the Democratic side. In all the talk about the divided Republicans everyone forgot that the Dems are in a real serious mess. Bernie refuses to go away, the exit polling says that voters will defect to Trump, if Clinton is chosen and California vote is still ahead. What happen if Bernie wins? Especially in the light of the latest polls from the swing states.
Voters don't have the attention span to scrutinize Trump's returns, but the media does, and they'll pick it apart if there is anything askew.

I agree the democratic nomination is in shambles. Clinton will win the day California votes even if she loses the majority vote since the delegate allocation is proportional in California. But if Bernie keeps winning states the argument can easily be made that he should be the nominee. Bernie is not going to stop until the convention and it would be shocking if Bernie wins more pledged delegates than Clinton but has the nomination stolen due to the Super Delegates.
 
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