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SchlongConery

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😁 Funny! That's what some of you asked at the beginning of the Ukrainian war....when Putin took over Crimea. Remember, all those years ago? You can draw a direct line from there to here. And what did I say? Comple embargo on Russia and anyone who would deal with them. And what did most say, back them? Impossible. The Obama's slap on the wrist is enough. After Russian invasion of a country that America agreed to its territorial integrity. You want to break up Russian/Chinese alliance? Tell China that the west will close it's borders to the Chinese goods and reestablish the Republic of China on the international scene. I guarantee you, Xi will RUN to his jet to be out of Moscow, asap. But, Biden is weak, stupid and paid off by China and the Western Europe is helpless without leaders from Washington.

Oh, and please try not to lump me in with they, you guys, lefties, righties etc.

I form and change my opinions on the information I have and learn. Issue by issue, person by person etc. I try not bring too much partisan baggage as I flip flop between typical left-right ideology on many issues.

I actually like my mind to be changed.
 
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TomFord1980

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I fucking hate Trump. And a little bit of hyperbole there talking about WW3 and America Last Globalists :ROFLMAO:

But he is right about the neo-cons, warmongers and the military industrial complex.

The funny thing is, what he is saying, is something liberals in 2010 were saying. Conservatives at that time were all for war and would go "Support the troops!". Where did this get lost from the liberal narrative and when did liberals start supporting corporations, war etc?
Since the military industrial complex started throwing money at Obama.
 

jcpro

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Full disclosure: I had a lot of other things on my mind back then and -to my shame- I paid little, if any attention to it back then. I barely recalled the airliner being shot down then either.

I am confident that had I been paying attention back then, I would have absolutely supported on a complete embargo as you describe above.

And I agree that Biden should say the same to China. You supply any war-related materials to Russia and -say- all Chinese govt associated enterprises in the USA will be immediately seized. And furthermore, that the Type- Certificates of US built aircraft operated under Chinese registry will be revoked along with a global embargo of any and all US certified or manufactured aircraft parts.

It is little known that the Chinese govt has been gobbling up small US aircraft manufacturers for many years.

The Chinese government pretty much owns half of the US general aviation aircraft manufacturing industry. And not because it is profitable. It was a pure technology acquisition play.

The history of the Russian/Ukrainian conflict did not begin in 2022 and I wish I could feel good about myself for seeing the present back then. But, it doesn't matter. The same people who evoke the shade of Adolf at every turn, these days, advocated impotency when strength and resolve was needed the most at the precise point in time. Why? Because Obama was a Democrat and an impotent one at that, so I got "schooled" by the Wikipedia scholars about the decent case for Putin's aggression. Whatever. Ukraine will not win this war, we all may still lose, and America will abandon the Ukrainian "allies " like they have done it throughout its history. And the political whores, on both sides, will offer excellent points on why it was a good idea.
 

Valcazar

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Look at Putin's subservient body language.
There seems to be a fair amount of analysis saying this was pretty one-sided for Xi and it really is a case of Putin reducing himself to a client state.
Even talk of giving territory back to China (although that seems over the top to me).
 

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