Different party. Different leader.
Don't you know it's a federal election coming up? Not a provincial one?
Trudeau Violated Conflict of Interest Act
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Don't you know it's a federal election coming up? Not a provincial one?
Conservative ideals vs liberal ideals.Different party. Different leader.
Don't you know it's a federal election coming up? Not a provincial one?
Are you or are you not against lobbying?
I'm against lobbying by anyone who previously worked in govt. Lobbying in and if itself isn't bad. Social change occurs through it as well.Conservative ideals vs liberal ideals.
Are you or are you not against lobbying?
But when corporations hire people solely to gain access that's a problem.
Unions also lobby. Remember when GM said they were closing the Oshawa plant? The union(s) kept demanding the provincial and federal governments "do something".But when corporations hire people solely to gain access that's a problem.
So then you have no issue with SNC lobbying the liberals?I'm against lobbying by anyone who previously worked in govt. Lobbying in and if itself isn't bad. .
I can't keep track of your flip flops anymore.
SNC no. But I do have a problem with the Liberals deciding to listen, change the law, and do so because of votes and money.So then you have no issue with SNC lobbying the liberals?
I can't keep track of your flip flops anymore.
Corporations will be corporations. I expect that. I also expect the govt to protect people and to be good law makers.
The Liberals in this case we're neither. They should gave said no to the creation of the law in the first place. That they did so specifically at the request of SNC Lavalin because they were under investigation is the height of crony capitalism.
Holy shit are you hypocritical.SNC no. But I do have a problem with the Liberals deciding to listen, change the law, and do so because of votes and money.
So now lobbying is ok as long as nobody listens or does anything the lobbyists want?
So therefore its no big deal that Doug Ford has 12 of 17 of his re-election committee as lobbyists but its a big deal that Trudeau actually listened?
No. I expect them not to listen to corporate lobbyists who want to change laws so they can buy their way out of criminal charges.Holy shit are you hypocritical.
So now lobbying is ok as long as nobody listens or does anything the lobbyists want?
So therefore its no big deal that Doug Ford has 12 of 17 of his re-election committee as lobbyists but its a big deal that Trudeau actually listened?
In other words use common sense, with a dash of conviction and treating corporations as entities and not as "people".
And as to Ford. .. I didn't vote for him. So it's a moot point. Nice deflection try. Here is the best part.
If you disagree with Ford's actions, as I do, then it's you who's partisanship is questionable.
Bullshit, you don't care about Trump and lobbyists.No. I expect them not to listen to corporate lobbyists who want to change laws so they can buy their way out of criminal charges.
You don't care about Ford and his lobbyists.
And whatever you think about SNC and Trudeau, they did not buy themselves out of anything, the AG ruled against them.
Which should show you that only the liberals have acted to hold lobbyists to the law and the rules.
No. I expect them not to listen to corporate lobbyists who want to change laws so they can buy their way out of criminal charges.
In other words use common sense, with a dash of conviction and treating corporations as entities and not as "people".
And as to Ford. .. I didn't vote for him. So it's a moot point. Nice deflection try. Here is the best part.
If you disagree with Ford's actions, as I do, then it's you who's partisanship is questionable.
A DPA is not buying yourself out, many countries have them. It was long over due for Canada to have DPA legislation. Have the Cons said they would repeal the laws?
No one in the media has thought to pose the rejoinder "do the ends justify the means" when Trudeau insists he was just protecting jobs.
I can't think of any scenario where political interference in a legal matter is justified, and loss of jobs would be pretty low on the continuum if one could even argue that one exists.
I can't think of any scenario where political interference in a legal matter is justified, and loss of jobs would be pretty low on the continuum if one could even argue that one exists.
Good thing that the AG was allowed to act on her own and those jobs were killed then.No one in the media has thought to pose the rejoinder "do the ends justify the means" when Trudeau insists he was just protecting jobs.
I can't think of any scenario where political interference in a legal matter is justified, and loss of jobs would be pretty low on the continuum if one could even argue that one exists.
That must make you happy.
That's how it works. You have no idea if any jobs were killed, other companies can step in and do the work.Good thing that the AG was allowed to act on her own and those jobs were killed then.
That must make you happy.
But lets assume jobs would be lost, go ahead and make the case that sacrificing the independence of the law is justified to protect jobs.
Let's see......A DPA is not buying yourself out, many countries have them. It was long over due for Canada to have DPA legislation. Have the Cons said they would repeal the laws?
A DPA means a Corporation can pay a fine as opposed to facing criminal prosecution and any sanctions that may entail.
So yes, it means exactly that they can buy their way out.
So you also are against fines and only for jail sentences for all crimes?Let's see......
A DPA means a Corporation can pay a fine as opposed to facing criminal prosecution and any sanctions that may entail.
So yes, it means exactly that they can buy their way out.
Actually it's the part about bidding for contracts. A criminal charge should be a matter of public record and the perps disallowed from bidding on govt contracts.So you also are against fines and only for jail sentences for all crimes?
That's the real corruption. Sometimes a large fine is appropriate. Along with the other consequences.
DPAs allow companies to put fines in as the price of doing business.
As a taxpayer I don't want them to get it.
Do you think that applies to all businesses that are found to have any criminal activity in any part of the world?Actually it's the part about bidding for contracts. A criminal charge should be a matter of public record and the perps disallowed from bidding on govt contracts.
Or is this like your ban on lobbying that turned into lobbying is ok but then its not ok?
If they break Canadian law then there is consequences. There have to make the choice to do legitimate business in Canada or illegitimate business abroad.Do you think that applies to all businesses that are found to have any criminal activity in any part of the world?
Or is this like your ban on lobbying that turned into lobbying is ok but then its not ok?
It's that simple.
As there was, as ruled by the AG.If they break Canadian law then there is consequences. .
