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JohnLarue

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I did not sat any of that. I did not say the govt has to tax business owners 95%. I said billionaires and oligarchs need to be. And why is 95% confiscation and 50% taxation? No. Taxation is neither confiscation nor is a billionaire paying their fair share socialism.

You are not making sense.
you want to confiscate a business owners income @ 95 to 99% and your claiming i don't make any sense ???????

I did not sat say any of that.
of course you did not as you are not bright enough to foresee the reactions to your theft

you did say you would confiscate a business owners income @ 95 to 99%

actions have consequences

if govt tried to confiscate 95% to 99% of ANY business owners income
he / she would just stop operating the business , shut it down and fly out of your jurisdiction

other business owners would see an irrational lunatic is in charge and pull their money out of your country & stop all operations

actions have consequences
you would be left holding your dick in your hand trying to explain the economic collapse, chaos and product shortages to the angry/ hungry / unemployed mob

you could try saying
I did not sat say any of that.
to the angry mob but it would not do you any good

you would likely need to declare martial law, just to save your life

your not very bright
 
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JohnLarue

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Greta TOONberg protested a wind farm. Nuff said.

well I would not classify wind farms as a success as they are not economically viable without govt subsidies
Greta TOONberg is a child who has been manipulated by adults ( shameless evil adults)
she is a stupid, naive and attention seeking child and sadly will likely become an emotional mess once she figures out how she has been deceived and manipulated

her protesting a wind farm is comically ironic and does highlight the lunacy of the current enviornut movement
 

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you want to confiscate a business owners income @ 95 to 99% and your claiming i don't make any sense ???????


of course you did not as you are not bright enough to foresee the reactions to your theft

you did say you would confiscate a business owners income @ 95 to 99%

actions have consequences

if govt tried to confiscate 95% to 99% of ANY business owners income
he / she would just stop operating the business , shut it down and fly out of your jurisdiction

other business owners would see an irrational lunatic is in charge and pull their money out of your country & stop all operations

actions have consequences
you would be left holding your dick in your hand trying to explain the economic collapse, chaos and product shortages to the angry/ hungry / unemployed mob

you could try saying
to the angry mob but it would not do you any good

you would likely need to declare martial law, just to save your life

your not very bright
Considering I did not say confiscate a business owners income everything you've said here is irrelevant and not a response to my post. You are having the argument in your head.
 

JohnLarue

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Considering I did not say confiscate a business owners income everything you've said here is irrelevant and not a response to my post. You are having the argument in your head.
too funny

confiscation @ 95% to 99% being renamed to taxation @ 95% to 99% would not change the reaction by business owners or the anarchy your lunatics "taxation policy'' would produce

you are not very bright
 

Skoob

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Per capita matters. If Canada only contributes 1.5%, and that is because of the low population, then by reducing per capita emissions, we can contribute much less than 1.5%. After all we are still in the top 10 countries with most emissions. Remember China may produce everything, but the majority of the worlds consumption is driven by people in the west. As you can see in the map below, the countries with most per capita emissions are also countries with lower populations and advanced economies.

You are just trolling at this point jumping through hoops.

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I'm not trolling. I'm asking you questions to understand your point.
Why do leftists always accuse others of trolling when they are faced with questions they either can't answer or won't answer. Happens every time.

Per capita, in this context doesn't matter if the entire amount for Canada is 1.5%. To illustrate my point, I even suggested using net-zero to remove the entire 1.5% as it relates globally. Then you pivot to "per capita"? Why? I've already demonstrated that Canada reaching net-zero has insignificant impact on global numbers.
 
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Skoob

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That's like saying paying for your dinner is 'theft' just cause you ate.

If you don't like taxes, move to Haiti.
No government, no taxes.
Its the right wing, libertarian fantasy right now.
Nowhere have I ever said I don't like taxes. That's your imagination.
Are you defending taking almost all of someone's income for taxes?
 

Skoob

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Its true about lithium but even that poison is way better than putting more CO2 into the atmosphere.
We are at the point where we need to do everything (except geoengineering).
EV's are one small part but not a long term goal.

Isn't marketing (i.e. propaganda) wonderful? A decade or more polluting the planet under the guise of it being "better" when it just kicks the can down the road and moves the problem elsewhere. Brilliant!


An EV has roughly double the production footprint of a typical internal-combustion-engine (ICE) vehicle. Both have similar embedded production emissions from, for example, producing the body of the vehicle, which is between five and ten tons of CO2e emissions, depending on its size and production location. On top of that, however, producing a typical EV (with a 75-kWh battery pack) emits more than seven tons of CO2e emissions on the battery alone.
https://www.mckinsey.com/industries...ace-to-decarbonize-electric-vehicle-batteries
 

Kautilya

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too funny

confiscation @ 95% to 99% being renamed to taxation @ 95% to 99% would not change the reaction by business owners or the anarchy your lunatics "taxation policy'' would produce

you are not very bright
Okay at what % does taxation turn into confiscation. Let's hear your logic.
Per capita, in this context doesn't matter if the entire amount for Canada is 1.5%. To illustrate my point, I even suggested using net-zero to remove the entire 1.5% as it relates globally. Then you pivot to "per capita"? Why? I've already demonstrated that Canada reaching net-zero has insignificant impact on global numbers.
It does matter. We are the consumers. To reduce emissions you need to reduce consumption and reduce production. But since consumption and production are related, you need to reduce consumption, to have an impact on production. The reason per capita emissions are important is because it shows you how much we consume. Our consumption drives production in countries like China, which is also the number 1 country for emissions.

So in sum, our consumption needs to be reduced in order for production in China, India etc to reduce, to have an overall cumulative positive impact. We don't live in a vacuum.

Also 1.5% is a LOT for a country that accounts for only 0.48% of the world population. So that number needs to reduce as well.
 

JohnLarue

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I'm not trolling. I'm asking you questions to understand your point.
Why do leftists always accuse others of trolling when they are faced with questions they either can't answer or won't answer. Happens every time.

Per capita, in this context doesn't matter if the entire amount for Canada is 1.5%. To illustrate my point, I even suggested using net-zero to remove the entire 1.5% as it relates globally. Then you pivot to "per capita"? Why? I've already demonstrated that Canada reaching net-zero has insignificant impact on global numbers.
shut Canada down completely and it would not make a difference in emissions
not that emissions of atmospheric plant food matter
The natural cycle of atmospheric plant food is 50 X what man produces


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too funny

confiscation @ 95% to 99% being renamed to taxation @ 95% to 99% would not change the reaction by business owners or the anarchy your lunatics "taxation policy'' would produce

you are not very bright
Straw man argument, larue.
 

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I'm not trolling. I'm asking you questions to understand your point.
Why do leftists always accuse others of trolling when they are faced with questions they either can't answer or won't answer. Happens every time.

Per capita, in this context doesn't matter if the entire amount for Canada is 1.5%. To illustrate my point, I even suggested using net-zero to remove the entire 1.5% as it relates globally. Then you pivot to "per capita"? Why? I've already demonstrated that Canada reaching net-zero has insignificant impact on global numbers.
Sure it does.

You're still trying to argue that if you don't pay for your meal at a restaurant and tell them its only 1.5% of revenue then it doesn't matter.
 

Skoob

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Sure it does.

You're still trying to argue that if you don't pay for your meal at a restaurant and tell them its only 1.5% of revenue then it doesn't matter.
Analogies aren't your strong suit.
We're talking about per capita vs overall. Total is 1.5% regardless.

If I owe $1.50 for that meal, and it's split among 150 patrons that's 1 cent per person. Still totals $1.50.
 

Frankfooter

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Analogies aren't your strong suit.
We're talking about per capita vs overall. Total is 1.5% regardless.

If I owe $1.50 for that meal, and it's split among 150 patrons that's 1 cent per person. Still totals $1.50.
Well, spending $1.50 on a meal for 150 people does sound like something you'd do.
And of course you'd argue that therefore there is no need for you pay your fair share, even if its only 1 cent, because its only a tiny part of the total.

Same argument, you won't pay your fair share.
You're a cheapskate and a free loader.
 

Skoob

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Well, spending $1.50 on a meal for 150 people does sound like something you'd do.
And of course you'd argue that therefore there is no need for you pay your fair share, even if its only 1 cent, because its only a tiny part of the total.

Same argument, you won't pay your fair share.
You're a cheapskate and a free loader.
Says the guy who can't explain what "fair share" means.
Says also the socialist who expects everyone else to pay for his lifestyle.

Ironic indeed.
 

JohnLarue

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Okay at what % does taxation turn into confiscation. Let's hear your logic.
long before taxation reduces the risk adjusted after tax return to the business owner below his/her risk adjusted cost of equity capital
business owners assume a lot of risks you are not bright enough to even imagine.

they need to be compensated for assuming those risks
if they are not they should park their money in a savings account

no investment by business owners >> no economic growth, no innovation , no hiring

far more logical / practical than your clown show based on spite

you are not very bright
 

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Kautilya

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All staged. He hides behind the turban

How do you know it is staged? I did not see him hiding, he addressed those haters directly.
long before taxation reduces the risk adjusted after tax return to the business owner below his/her risk adjusted cost of equity capital
business owners assume a lot of risks you are not bright enough to even imagine.

they need to be compensated for assuming those risks
if they are not they should park their money in a savings account

no investment by business owners >> no economic growth, no innovation , no hiring

far more logical / practical than your clown show based on spite

you are not very bright
You are answering a question and a scenario that solely resides in your head, not to mention I am not talking about corporate taxes, but personal income taxes. You are also not answering the question I asked. I asked at what tax % does it turn from taxation to confiscation?
 
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