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Is that your argument. That's your argument for any comment that points out your foolishness. Jagmeet is a separatist that supports terrorism and also plays the race card.It's obvious he hates white people. Is he a right winger too.
That's a rather foolish post.
 

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Ironic that the people defending a carbon tax and bitching about climate changer are the same people bitching about a man who's made his wealth building EVs
EVs actually negatively impact the environment big time. Lithium is extremely poisonous and there is precious little on the planet. Not to mention these batteries once they are dead is just non-biodegradable toxic e-waste. I think oil and gas at this time may pollute in the short term, and the atmosphere will clean itself in the long term if we take steps to reduce consumption. But e-waste will pollute in the long term and nothing can be done about it. We need to separate the "green" narrative from EVs. It is misleading.
Is that your argument. That's your argument for any comment that points out your foolishness. Jagmeet is a separatist that supports terrorism and also plays the race card.It's obvious he hates white people. Is he a right winger too.
I know he buddies around with the Khalistanis. But he hates white people? C'mon now. 😂
 

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You want a number instead of a concept.
You're trolling because you refuse to accept the concept of 'fair share'.
Concept? You mean "conceptually everyone pays their fair share"?
Ok explain what that means keeping in mind that people who earn $220k+ pay almost half their earnings in taxes already.

Conceptually, that's what organized crime extorts from people for "protection money". So explain your "concept".
 

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Concept? You mean "conceptually everyone pays their fair share"?
Ok explain what that means keeping in mind that people who earn $220k+ pay almost half their earnings in taxes already.

Conceptually, that's what organized crime extorts from people for "protection money". So explain your "concept".
You answered your own question. People who make 220K pay 50%. Jeff Bezoz pays 0. So he is not paying his fair share. He needs to pay like 95%.
 

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No. It has nothing to do with innovations but everything to do with predatory business practices.
then start your own company delivering the products/services but lose what you think are predatory business practices

Why not? I can buy their products/services, but I can also demand they pay their taxes that every citizen is supposed to pay. Nothing to do with envy or spite.
hypocrite
if they are evil because they are successful, then the products / services that make them successful must also be evil
ie big oil

my guess is that Elon Musk & Jeff Bezos have both paid more taxes in one year than you will in a life time
both have also likely donated more to charitable organizations in one year than everyone you know has in their combined life times
since you are most likley an equality nut, you are millions behind in your taxes paid relative to Elon Musk & Jeff Bezos


who are you to decide what taxes every citizen is supposed to pay.??
that is none of your concern
what is a legitimate concern that you should focus on, is how the taxes are spent in your name by elected politicians

you do not have a clue how wealth is generated, but you sure know how to make a claim on it
 
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EVs actually negatively impact the environment big time. Lithium is extremely poisonous and there is precious little on the planet. Not to mention these batteries once they are dead is just non-biodegradable toxic e-waste. I think oil and gas at this time may pollute in the short term, and the atmosphere will clean itself in the long term if we take steps to reduce consumption. But e-waste will pollute in the long term and nothing can be done about it. We need to separate the "green" narrative from EVs. It is misleading.
How do you reduce consumption without an alternative? Honest question.

btw Frankfooter just had a stroke after reading your comment. Just saying.
 

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You answered your own question. People who make 220K pay 50%. Jeff Bezoz pays 0. So he is not paying his fair share. He needs to pay like 95%.
Jeff Bezoz has paid more taxes than everyone you know in their lifetimes combined. Don't be silly.
Amazon employs approx 1.5 million people...if he decided one day to shut it down, what kind of economic impact do you think that would that have?

Also, are you saying taking half of someone's earnings for taxes is excessive? Explain.
 

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You answered your own question. People who make 220K pay 50%. Jeff Bezoz pays 0. So he is not paying his fair share. He needs to pay like 95%.
you do not understand the difference be taxation and confiscation

Bezoz does very well relative to you
you do very well relative to billions of people
lets confiscate 95% of your income & give it to them
and tell you that you should be grateful for the 5%
 
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then start your own company delivering the products/services but lose what you think are predatory business practices



hypocrite
if they are evil because they are successful, then the products / services that make them successful must also be evil
ie big oil

my guess is that Elon Musk & Jeff Bezos have both paid more taxes in one year than you will in a life time
both have also likely donated more to charitable organizations in one year than everyone you know has in their combined life times
since you are most likley an equality nut, you are millions behind in your taxes paid relative to Elon Musk & Jeff Bezos


who are you to decide what taxes every citizen is supposed to pay.??
that is none of your concern
what is a legitimate concern that you should focus on, is how the taxes are spent in your name by elected politicians



you do not have a clue how wealth is generated, but you are sure
Their businesses are a different entity than them. We are talking about their income taxes. Bezos pays 0. He needs to pay 95% for it to be his fair share. I think citizens have a right to say that a certain section of society is being treated special because they are too damn rich.
How do you reduce consumption without an alternative? Honest question.
You use public transport, car pooling, ride sharing, do remote work, use bicycles, walk etc.,
Jeff Bezoz has paid more taxes than everyone you know in their lifetimes combined. Don't be silly.
We are talking % of income. Not actual $$. And so what if he has paid more than everybody else? He has earned even more and has gone a few years paying 0 income tax.
you do not understand the difference be taxation and confiscation

Bezoz does very well relative to you
you do very well relative to billions of people
lets confiscate 95% of your income & give it to them
and tell you that you should be grateful for the 5%
Bezos is in the 0.1%. The 0.1% own 99%. Therefore he needs to pay atleast 95%. My taxes on the other hand should be reduced because I am paying more than my fair share. That goes for everyone of us.
 

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Why not? I can buy their products/services, but I can also demand they pay their taxes that every citizen is supposed to pay. Nothing to do with envy or spite.
well maybe they should decide not to sell to you
who in their right mind wants a whining irrational customer who wants to tax you @ 95% ?

excuse me sir, we are going to ask you to leave the store now
we shall sell those products to somebody else
don't come back
 

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Their businesses are a different entity than them. We are talking about their income taxes. Bezos pays 0. He needs to pay 95% for it to be his fair share. I think citizens have a right to say that a certain section of society is being treated special because they are too damn rich.

You use public transport, car pooling, ride sharing, do remote work, use bicycles, walk etc.,
So groceries will arrive at stores via car pooling and bicycle?
Farmers will plow the fields by horse?
Factories will produce goods by solar power?

About 14% of CO2 emissions globally is caused by transportation. At best you can try and reduce that a few percentage points and it will make no difference overall.

You need to have a drink and think your logic through a bit better.

ps no odea why you think anyone would need to pay 95% of everything they earn in taxes. Explain your math.
 

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Bezos is in the 0.1%. The 0.1% own 99%. Therefore he needs to pay atleast 95%. My taxes on the other hand should be reduced because I am paying more than my fair share. That goes for everyone of us.
If you want your taxes reduced, vote for a government that will do so.
If you want them increased keep the Liberals or NDP in power.

It's pretty simple. The choice is yours. Buying into the leftist propaganda about rich people saving the world by paying more taxes is a fool's errand.
 

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So groceries will arrive at stores via car pooling and bicycle?
Farmers will plow the fields by horse?
Factories will produce goods by solar power?

About 14% of CO2 emissions globally is caused by transportation. At best you can try and reduce that a few percentage points and it will make no difference overall.

You need to have a drink and think your logic through a bit better.

ps no odea why you think anyone would need to pay 95% of everything they earn in taxes. Explain your math.
So you cannot use vehicles and machines where you have to and reduce consumption where you can? There is no no way shape or form you can reduce consumption? There is tons of waste at the farmers, at the food packaging plant (in the case of food), at the grocery store (for food) and at the consumer end. Reduce that waste and consequently consumption. Emissions are caused not just by transportation, but even things like cattle rearing. You reduce waste, less livestock has to be farmed. And so on and so forth. There is lots of opportunities to reduce consumption. 33% of food for example, that we produce is wasted. 33%!!. Same goes for others. Do remote work, walk, use bicycles when you can. All of that help to reduce oil and gas consumption. Oh and recycle and refurbish, and reuse. Again, that helps. There are so many ways.

How would you know by how many percentage points you can actually reduce emissions and that it would not make any difference? Explain your math.
If you want your taxes reduced, vote for a government that will do so.
If you want them increased keep the Liberals or NDP in power.

It's pretty simple. The choice is yours. Buying into the leftist propaganda about rich people saving the world by paying more taxes is a fool's errand.
PP wont reduce our taxes. He will cut taxes for Bezos and for corporates though.
well maybe they should decide not to sell to you
who in their right mind wants a whining irrational customer who wants to tax you @ 95% ?

excuse me sir, we are going to ask you to leave the store now
we shall sell those products to somebody else
don't come back
They can sure. They wont though. They want my money. So I can give them my money and demand they pay their fair share of 95%.
 
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Their businesses are a different entity than them.
the business would not exist without them
you would not get the products/ services without them

We are talking about their income taxes.
and you should not
their income taxes is not your concern from both a legal and moral perspective

Bezos pays 0.
if he paid zero it is due to expenses, business loses etc that he was able to claim as deductions against his income

he has savings in the bank, maybe he paid himself 500/ week , and watched his wealth appreciate via his amazon shares

He needs to pay 95% for it to be his fair share.
you need to pay 95% for it to be your fair share according to millions of starving people


I think citizens have a right to say that a certain section of society is being treated special because they are too damn rich.
no you don't have the right to dictate what others must pay in taxes

You use public transport, car pooling, ride sharing, do remote work, use bicycles, walk etc.,
no you don't have the right to dictate how others move about

We are talking % of income. Not actual $$. And so what if he has paid more than everybody else? He has earned even more and has gone a few years paying 0 income tax.
not your call to make

rewarding failure , while punishing success is not only stupid, it is also a sure fire way to stall human advancement




Bezos is in the 0.1%. The 0.1% own 99%.
that is absurdly wrong

Therefore he needs to pay atleast 95%. My taxes on the other hand should be reduced because I am paying more than my fair share. That goes for everyone of us.
yeah ok comrade

your failed experiment was tried
the 0.000001% in the politburo owned / controlled 100%
and they killed 20 million of their own people
 

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the business would not exist without them
you would not get the products/ services without them


and you should not
their income taxes is not your concern from both a legal and moral perspective


if he paid zero it is due to expenses, business loses etc that he was able to claim as deductions against his income

he has savings in the bank, maybe he paid himself 500/ week , and watched his wealth appreciate via his amazon shares


you need to pay 95% for it to be your fair share according to millions of starving people



no you don't have the right to dictate what others must pay in taxes


no you don't have the right to dictate how others move about


not your call to make

rewarding failure , while punishing success is not only stupid, it is also a sure fire way to stall human advancement





that is absurdly wrong


yeah ok comrade

your failed experiment was tried
the 0.000001% in the politburo owned / controlled 100%
and they killed 20 million of their own people
You are being repetitive. I said it already. Their businesses are a separate entity. They need to pay their personal share commensurate with their earnings and wealth which they do not currently. I and others as citizens have a right to demand that they pay their fair share because everyone should be treated equally from a legal standpoint and currently we are not treated equally. And am not proposing socialism.
 

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You are being repetitive. I said it already. Their businesses are a separate entity. They need to pay their personal share commensurate with their earnings and wealth which they do not currently. I and others as citizens have a right to demand that they pay their fair share because everyone should be treated equally from a legal standpoint and currently we are not treated equally. And am not proposing socialism.

you keep whing about fair share and call me repetitive ???

this boils down to three of your statements
1. you think you are taxed to much - that is your right as that is your business
2. you want someone else to pay more taxes that is your not right as that is none of your business
3. you want to define 'fair share in order to justify 1 & 2

despicable
 

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you keep whing about fair share and call me repetitive ???

this boils down to three of your statements
1. you think you are taxed to much - that is your right as that is your business
2. you want someone else to pay more taxes that is your not right as that is none of your business
3. you want to define 'fair share in order to justify 1 & 2

despicable
You summarized it correctly. Except for saying it is not my or anyone else's right to demand that billionaires pay their fair share (whatever that is - 95% or 99% or 85% etc). It very much is.
 
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And am not proposing socialism.
of course you are

Therefore he needs to pay at least 95%. My taxes on the other hand should be reduced because I am paying more than my fair share. That goes for everyone of us.
this experiment has been run and it failed miserably, fatally for tens of millions , maybe a hundred million people
Mao was a vindictive monster , his body count will likely never be known
 
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