Traveling with a escort

[JuanGoodman]

You seem kind of triggered.

i kind of got the same vibe too

you would have to be very careful for the whole week or you might end up with AWE(angry wife experience) instead of GFE

 

[JuanGoodman]

And, of course, you would have to pay for the week in advance. So, even if you were unhappy with the experience you would still be out $20,000, on top of the rest of the expenses.

you convinced me, the deal is off

I'm taking the $20000.00 and flying to Thailand (business class both ways) for 3 weeks

have 3 lovely ladies with me every night

and still might have some money left over if I'm careful

 

[Joyrection]

You seem kind of triggered. His math was correct. You stated that you charge $8,000 for 2 days in Canadian dollars. He calculated for $4,000 per day. That's reasonable, given what you said earlier in this thread.

In your response to his math, you stated that your rate is ONLY $20,000 for a week. Averaging your "6-8 hours of uninterrupted sleep" to 7 would work out to a little over 2 days of personal time. You expected him to assume that you would discount that amount, however, you didn't discount that for your earlier quote of $8,000 for 2 days where it would be assumed that you would still have your 6-8 hours of personal time. If you were doing the math based on a typical week long trip, 8 hours a night over a 7 day/6 night trip, it works out to exactly 2 days of personal time. At least it's nice to know that you wouldn't expect to be paid for that time...

What about SP math? You tried to work out his math and came up with $4,000 less than he assumed, when he used your own numbers to estimate the cost of a trip. Maybe don't insult potential clients on a forum geared towards us. It's not a good look.

Personally, it sounds like you have a bit of an entitled attitude and for that I wouldn't book you. So no loss here, but you may have caused others to think twice. Sounds like you're more interested in booking Americans though so I doubt you really care.

Have a good one.

How you allow others to treat you or pay is your worth. That is why some SP's charge 200 per/hr while others can charge 600 or 1000 per/hr and men will pay their worth. It is the same with cars, property or anything else. Some folks are willing to pay great sums for the very same product that other would not. If VR demands a price and gets it that is not entitlement that is good business as she is a business not a charity.

 

[JuanGoodman]

If VR demands a price and gets it that is not entitlement that is good business as she is a business not a charity.

all the power to her, nobody is denying her right to charge whatever she wants

but we also have the right to discuss value here

it's a very important concept when it come to money

 

[Vera.Reis]

You seem kind of triggered. His math was correct. You stated that you charge $8,000 for 2 days in Canadian dollars. He calculated for $4,000 per day. That's reasonable, given what you said earlier in this thread.

In your response to his math, you stated that your rate is ONLY $20,000 for a week. Averaging your "6-8 hours of uninterrupted sleep" to 7 would work out to a little over 2 days of personal time. You expected him to assume that you would discount that amount, however, you didn't discount that for your earlier quote of $8,000 for 2 days where it would be assumed that you would still have your 6-8 hours of personal time. If you were doing the math based on a typical week long trip, 8 hours a night over a 7 day/6 night trip, it works out to exactly 2 days of personal time. At least it's nice to know that you wouldn't expect to be paid for that time...

What about SP math? You tried to work out his math and came up with $4,000 less than he assumed, when he used your own numbers to estimate the cost of a trip. Maybe don't insult potential clients on a forum geared towards us. It's not a good look.

Personally, it sounds like you have a bit of an entitled attitude and for that I wouldn't book you. So no loss here, but you may have caused others to think twice. Sounds like you're more interested in booking Americans though so I doubt you really care.

Have a good one.

My rate is listed on my site, its not some magical number i made up on the spot, he could have looked instead of incorrectly assuming. In reality most of us give a discounted rate the longer you book.

What he did was client math because he took a rate and prorated as many clients do, which leads to them thinking we make more than we do lol my little equation after that was a joke about how clients attempt to guess what we make working from our home base.

Your logic is incorrect, the 8k for 2 days already factors in 2 nights of sleep, which is a necessity not personal time, for the record. So any extrapolation of the 4k per day would necessary already include sleep time as the original 8k rate did. What you've actually done is account for my sleep time twice by going in and saying the 8k difference is me not charging him for my sleeping. The 8k different is simply me giving a lower per day rate because the booking is longer, just like my 2hrs isn't double my 1hr.

I didn't insult anyone, but some men take being challenged/correct as an insult.

 

[Vera.Reis]

all the power to her, nobody is denying her right to charge whatever she wants

but we also have the right to discuss value here

it's a very important concept when it come to money

What someone making 100k a month considers worth the price and what someone making under 100k a year considers worth the price, are likely to be very different. My clients see the value in it, and that's all that matters to me. Anyone booking me for longer than an overnight has met me before for an overnight already. I require this as I will not but either of us in a position to be unhappy for multiple days.

 

[Vera.Reis]

i kind of got the same vibe too

you would have to be very careful for the whole week or you might end up with AWE(angry wife experience) instead of GFE

Any client I'm spending a week with I already have a good relationship with, and I'm far more willing to ignore little things that annoy me from those clients than others, for obvious reasons.

 

[JuanGoodman]

What someone making 100k a month considers worth the price and what someone making under 100k a year considers worth the price, are likely to be very different. My clients see the value in it, and that's all that matters to me. Anyone booking me for longer than an overnight has met me before for an overnight already. I require this as I will not but either of us in a position to be unhappy for multiple days.

someone who makes 100k a year and is willing to spend $20000.00 on you, values you more then the guy who makes a million

maybe the confusion comes from the fact that this thread is about taking a SP on vacation, any SP not necessarily you

I was using your numbers (loosely) to illustrate a point

$20000.00 or $30000.00 is a lot of money regardless how much you make per year

there is more value to be had (for that amount of money) somewhere else instead of 7 day trip with someone

in my opinion

 

[Vera.Reis]

someone who makes 100k a year and is willing to spend $20000.00 on you, values you more then the guy who makes a million

I don't necessarily agree with that statement. That 100k earner client DEFINITELY values me a lot, but that isn't the only metric of how a client values you. I definitely would go above and beyond to make sure the guy who spent 1/5 of his income on me had a great time, simply because I would be touched that he found me worth such a large chunk of his income. When I know clients saved to see me, that's a special place in my heart, and as long as they never tried to haggle me or take advantage in some way, I absolute would try my hardest to provide them the most value possible for their generosity. But I can't say that those clients value me more than the richer clients, simply because I don't know how attached to his money that rich person is, some really don't like spending money, so spending whatever on me might also be because they greatly value me enough to splurge on time with me.

there is more value to be had somewhere else instead of 7 day trip with someone

in my opinion

This is exactly my point, you don't value it, but that's just your opinion, it doesn't mean they're isn't value in it, there just isn't to you.

 

[JuanGoodman]

I don't necessarily agree with that statement. That 100k earner client DEFINITELY values me a lot, but that isn't the only metric of how a client values you. I definitely would go above and beyond to make sure the guy who spent 1/5 of his income on me had a great time, simply because I would be touched that he found me worth such a large chunk of his income. When I know clients saved to see me, that's a special place in my heart, and as long as they never tried to haggle me or take advantage in some way, I absolute would try my hardest to provide them the most value possible for their generosity. But I can't say that those clients value me more than the richer clients, simply because I don't know how attached to his money that rich person is, some really don't like spending money, so spending whatever on me might also be because they greatly value me enough to splurge on time with me.



This is exactly my point, you don't value it, but that's just your opinion, it doesn't mean they're isn't value in it, there just isn't to you.

sorry I disagree with you on both points

imagine a guy who makes $20000.00 a year and spends it on you, you would mean a world to him

to your second point

it is my opinion yes, but there some objectivity in it too

lets be realistic $20000.00 is more than 60 1hr visits with a SP at $300 per hour

if one was to have 2 visits per month $20000.00 would cover 30 months

that's almost 3 years of hobbying

someone would have to be really persuasive to convince me that there is more value in spending one week with one SP

as opposed to spending 3 years having fun with many different SPs

of course there will be some men that for one reason or another disagree but that would be a minority for sure

 

[Vera.Reis]

sorry I disagree with you on both points

imagine a guy who makes $20000.00 a year and spends it on you, you would mean a world to him

to your second point

it is my opinion yes, but there some objectivity in it too

lets be realistic $20000.00 is more than 60 1hr visits with a SP at $300 per hour

if one was to have 2 visits per month $20000.00 would cover 30 months

that's almost 3 years of hobbying

someone would have to be really persuasive to convince me or that there is more value in spending one week with one SP

as opposed to spending 3 years having fun with many different SPs

of course there will be some men that for one reason or another disagree but that would be a minority for sure

It's amazing that I and many providers who charge 500+/hr have viable businesses at these rates, and clients like you will sit here and act like most clients only see providers at 300/hr or less, and only for 1hr max appointments. Make it make sense. I get booked for multi days multiple times a years, and most of my appointments are 3hrs plus. Many many MANY clients do not think like you. But there is a market for everyone, some prefer to build a connection, others prefer diversity and to just bust a nut. There are 208 providers (out of 491 total providers) on Tryst (can't search by rate on here) within 30miles of Toronto, that charge 500 or more per hour and this is only those who choose to show their rate on the site, many do not. And in my experience, as my rates went up, clients booked longer appointments, so again, client math, because it's not based in reality.

 

[JuanGoodman]

It's amazing that I and many providers who charge 500+/hr have viable businesses at these rates, and clients like you will sit here and act like most clients only see providers at 300/hr or less, and only for 1hr max appointments. Make it make sense. I get booked for multi days multiple times a years, and most of my appointments are 3hrs plus. Many many MANY clients do not think like you. But there is a market for everyone, some prefer to build a connection, others prefer diversity and to just bust a nut. There are 208 providers (out of 491 total providers) on Tryst (can't search by rate on here) within 30miles of Toronto, that charge 500 or more per hour and this is only those who choose to show their rate on the site, many do not. And in my experience, as my rates went up, clients booked longer appointments, so again, client math, because it's not based in reality.

my comment was not about you

I took 300 as average to illustrate a point

even at $500.00 per hour $20000.00 would cover 40 1hr visits

or 20 2 hr visits

or 10 4 hr visits

that's still a lot more value than one week

 

[Vera.Reis]

my comment was not about you

I took 300 as average to illustrate a point

even at $500.00 per hour $20000.00 would cover 40 1hr visits

or 20 2 hr visits

or 10 4 hr visits

that's still a lot more value than one week

a lot more value, for you. Literally zero of what you said is objective, please google the meaning of the term.

 

[JuanGoodman]

a lot more value, for you. Literally zero of what you said is objective, please google the meaning of the term.

sorry to make you upset it wasn't my intention

thanks for chatting with me, it's always nice to hear "the other side"

 

[Vera.Reis]

sorry to make you upset it wasn't my intention

thanks for chatting with me, it's always nice to hear "the other side"

Just because I'm letting you know your argument is flawed doesn't make me upset.

here's another way to look at it, 16hrs/day x 7 days = 112 hours with me for 20k. 112hrs of seeing a $300/hr provider for an hour at a time is 33.6k, a 500/hr provider 56k, or a 600/hr like me, 67.2k. So, 112 hrs for 20k seems like great "value" when you consider these numbers.

Hopefully the above will help you understand why I said there is nothing objective about your previous statement.

 

[Joyrection]

sorry I disagree with you on both points

imagine a guy who makes $20000.00 a year and spends it on you, you would mean a world to him

to your second point

it is my opinion yes, but there some objectivity in it too

lets be realistic $20000.00 is more than 60 1hr visits with a SP at $300 per hour

if one was to have 2 visits per month $20000.00 would cover 30 months

that's almost 3 years of hobbying

someone would have to be really persuasive to convince me that there is more value in spending one week with one SP

as opposed to spending 3 years having fun with many different SPs

of course there will be some men that for one reason or another disagree but that would be a minority for sure

This reminds me of going to a store the was half hardware store and half bicycle store 30. years ago. I asked the employee to find an Allen key set and we were on the bicycle side of the store where the key set cost at the time, $15.00 we were shocked at the price and went to the hardware side where a key set was $8.00. We asked the owner about the price difference and he said that the cyclists pay more because they believe they are getting a superior product. This applies to so many things including people. Just look at pro athletes and their contracts. We all have our limits

 

[Darts]

One of our senior executives has a mistress. He pays her condo, rented car, fur coat, clothes, etc. Not cheap.

 

[Vera.Reis]

One of our senior executives has a mistress. He pays her condo, rented car, fur coat, clothes, etc. Not cheap.

goals

 

[Darts]

A mistress and a SP are not the same thing. Do you compare apples to oranges?

No they are not the same thing. Just wondering which is better for some guys---apples or oranges.

 

[Joyrection]

How does this relate to my post? I didn't comment on her rate, just her math. On reflection, I suppose that my use of the word entitled does lend itself to that interpretation. Maybe I should have said confrontational, but regardless, I was not commenting on her rate.

"Some folks are willing to pay great sums for the very same product that other would not." Is this your way of saying, "A fool and his money are soon parted."?

Just look at the Toronto housing market to answer your question.