Trades People Shortage
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Absolutely correct
Getting a journeymen to train an apprentice (especially a year one apprentice) is impossible. Training a guy to do the work requires too much oversight. Its a money loser and not worth their time.
Skilled trades - electrician, plumbers, hvac etc is $30 low end non unionized to $65/hour unionized. With pension & benefits.
They're making 80k-100k without overtime, and many take on cash jobs throughout the year.
The knowledge required to wire a house, vs wiring a hospital / mall / factory isn't comparable, but they are the same ticket, which is the reason for the 5 years. It's meant to get exposure in all the sectors.
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Oyap is been around for years, I went to trades highschool in the late 2000's, I did plumbing for co-op, I tried getting in the local 46 union, I didn't passed the aptitude test. It very hard to get apprenticeship, especially for very young person , they usually go for mature people like late 20's and above. ,
My old trades highschool doesn't exist anymore, and the new highschool doesn't offer no trades programs at all.
The problem is lots of highschools don't offer trades shop classes anymore. They been saying the same trades shortages for years , lots of young people don't really know what to do with They lives yet, it takes awhile to know they want to do, let them try out different jobs first to see what they liked, then pursue post secondary, apprenticeship
My old trades highschool doesn't exist anymore, and the new highschool doesn't offer no trades programs at all.
The problem is lots of highschools don't offer trades shop classes anymore. They been saying the same trades shortages for years , lots of young people don't really know what to do with They lives yet, it takes awhile to know they want to do, let them try out different jobs first to see what they liked, then pursue post secondary, apprenticeship
Perhaps things need to be changed, maybe one ticket for all aspects of house wiring, another for the more complex commercial jobs. Often, one size does not fit all.
Actually...5yrs is not enough...you are comparing residential to commercial, industrial, institutional...try looking at a set of engineer drawings to one of the above then talk...residential you can learn from a book at the depot.. at one point they were discussing making residential it's own license...but many complained as rate woukd/should be lower. You really have no idea to make a comment like this...you have a few different licenses in Electrical...resi is the lowest, All electricians who did thier training in resi...are lost when they come to commercial...it's like starting over.
And the teachers teaching it in highschool, well at least in mine, didn't know that much and they repeated the same curriculum in the following grade. Dropped that stupidity. Also not all HS teach shop at same level, nor are the HS equipped with same hardware. WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING?
I know this because I switched HS in MIDWAY and saw the difference.
Also M of Education never ever came to tell us how Apprentice ship works, how the enrollment really works. IT was all Nepotism / cronyism.
I just found out that construction workers get paid overtime after 55 hours. WTF?
My new location after 44. My old location was 40 hours.
Personally 40 hr should the standard for everyone.
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True...but they never do...should be forced to get thier experience in all sectors equally...but instead we let OCOT charge them and us (journeymen)for f-all...
There will be plenty of tradespeople after Trudeau kills the oil and gas industry. No need to import talent.
Some of this shit is because of how ridiculous it can be to understand how you go about getting into it and getting in the union. When I was younger and was interested in becoming an electrician, I couldn't find a straight answer on what the best route to get in was. Even a guy I knew who was an electrician couldn't really give me a straight answer.
Similar thing happened when I saw a special on CityTV years ago about high rise window cleaners. Had this company on, talked about what the job entails, and how these companies couldn't find enough people to do it. That week I call all these companies, (including the one on CityTV,) never heard back from any of them.
Couple of weeks ago, once again on CityTV, they doing a special with Metrolinx about how train conductors are in demand and they're hiring because they're expanding and want to be ready.
Go on the Metrolinx website and search job openings for train conductors, no jobs available.
It's all horse shit.
Similar thing happened when I saw a special on CityTV years ago about high rise window cleaners. Had this company on, talked about what the job entails, and how these companies couldn't find enough people to do it. That week I call all these companies, (including the one on CityTV,) never heard back from any of them.
Couple of weeks ago, once again on CityTV, they doing a special with Metrolinx about how train conductors are in demand and they're hiring because they're expanding and want to be ready.
Go on the Metrolinx website and search job openings for train conductors, no jobs available.
It's all horse shit.
Exactly. There are over 8 million people across the GTA. There should be no shortage of workers.
Recruiters are just creating fake scenarios to keep themselves busy.
I'm dead serious, most jobs they claim are open don't actually exist. The goal is to flood the labour market with workers to push wages lower.
The "labor shortage"/"skills shortage" trope is and always has been a globalist scam.
You are right about that, I don't understand why they keep saying trades shortages for decades, when I look online on indeed for apprenticeship jobs or fully licensed journeyman trades jobs, I only saw very few handful of the jobs posted.
Agreed.
I remember going to a trades fair in highschool, around 1987. The iron worker guys were intense and cool. They said a new guy entry level pay was $12/hr. That was almost 3-4x minimum wage.
I chickened out, I couldn’t do those heights. However, my body now isn’t bent and twisted from the cold and a lifetime of being an iron worker.
I really respect any trade that will get down to do the dirty work.
Ever notice the size of guys on the hydro crews. Almost all of them are well over 6 ft of pure muscle. I’m not small but standing beside them at Tims is daunting
