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TPS and TPA Go Full On "Protection Racket" Mode

Anbarandy

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They may as well just change their motto to:

"To Maybe Serve And Possibly Protect At Our Leisure And Comfort"

When you factor in all the other monies set aside and actually allocated to the TPS, they are being funded with $60million more than the previous budget. Talk about shameless.


Toronto police are fear mongering to get more money. What if other city divisions did the same?

What if Toronto's water or parks departments tried to drum up more money the way Toronto police are with their fear-based campaign?

ByShawn MicallefContributing Columnist Saturday, February 3, 2024


“Like to flush your toilet? Give us more money or you might have a problem.”

Imagine if messages like this started appearing around town from Toronto Water, the city division responsible for our running water and sewage treatment.

Or a message from the parks, forestry and recreation department demanding more money, while saying, “Hey, that’s a great big oak in your front yard. Be a shame if it fell on your car or house.”

Imagine transportation services suggesting, ever so ominously, that pot holes will spontaneously appear and grow uncontrollably unless it gets more money.

Seeing these kinds of messages would spark feelings of fear, panic and maybe even confusion. It's precisely why the Toronto’s civil service doesn't actually do this kind of thing.
Except for Toronto police.

It’s municipal budget season and there is debate over how much money the police should get. The discussion is reasonable, yet the police have mounted a big public relations campaign letting Torontonians know — and feel — that the city is going to get very dangerous if they don’t get all the money they're asking for.

One part of this campaign is by the Toronto Police Association (TPA). It's been dropping flyers in mailboxes and campaigning hard on how risky it is not to give the police the ever-increasing amount of money they annually ask for.

The TPA even took aim at a sitting councillor on Jan. 18, replying to a message Coun. Shelley Carroll posted on X (formerly Twitter) about the budget with, “Response times in your ward are 24.6 minutes and you had the highest increase in the city for major crimes at a whopping 45.8% last year. Your proposed budget will not address these issues for your constituents.”

The directness is breathtaking and for those with long memories, an echo of “Operation True Blue,” a campaign the TPA ran in 2000 to raise money to unseat politicians they deemed unfriendly to police. They backed down after widespread outrage and threats of charges against union executives.

The TPA is the police union, operating as its members wish. The other side of this is the Toronto Police Services itself, led by Chief Myron Demkiw. It’s much more egregious and concerning.

The Chief is making media rounds and the TPS’s robust (and expensive) communications department is putting out a flurry of messages advocating for more money while tapping into fear.

On X a recent official police message was, “22 minutes when people are scared in their homes from somebody who has broken into their home is not what Torontonians expect or deserve.” Demkiw uses language of “significant risk” and fear, but little about how the police work internally, how the force might be restructured, more efficient or reformed.

The TPS is also running videos with ominous music defending the mounted unit, a huge expense that is arguably a public relations arm. A Jan. 26 TPS budget “briefing note” made a similar case for the horses, listing tours as well as community and ceremonial events.

The note also quietly mentioned that its controversial "24 Shades of Blue" podcast has ended. Controversial because a 2023 CBC investigation found it cost nearly $300,000 to produce and that TPS even hired the crisis communications firm Navigator as a consultant between 2021 and 2023, with an average cost of $142,000 a year.

There’s a lot to unpack here. The Toronto police have received steady increases for years yet still deal in this kind of fear mongering, profoundly so this year. In his column last week, my colleague Matt Elliot made the point that whatever happens here, the police budget is going up, just not as much as the police want.

As the Star reported a few weeks ago, a new, comprehensive study found that there is “no consistent correlation” between police spending and crime rates in Canada.” One way of countering such a rigorous study is to go for the emotions, and fear is a big one.

Thinking about the pothole department issuing ominous messages there is, at first thought, something compelling about government departments and divisions advocating for their own existence and for the means to do their work better.

It’s one thing to clearly say what you’ve done, demonstrating worth without embellishment, versus cranking up the fear and muddling or pre-empting the possibility of an honest conversation about policing or where, in its massive budget, savings can be found.

Those conversations should be democratic, led by elected officials responsible to Torontonians. But this kind of fear-based lobbying bypasses democracy.

That Toronto police are able to spend so much time and money (our money) on these slick communication efforts is, ironically, a perfect example of the police force spending money on areas that aren’t its core duties — duties it says will prevent the stuff we’re supposed to be scared of.

To serve, protect and fear monger on the public’s dime isn’t a great slogan.
 
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It's a union's job to get their members more money by any means necessary.
TPS is no different in that respect. They use the doom/gloom of crime to get public support.
Teachers use kids.
Nurses use patients.
etc
etc

No surprise here.
 

Anbarandy

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It's a union's job to get their members more money by any means necessary.
TPS is no different in that respect. They use the doom/gloom of crime to get public support.
Teachers use kids.
Nurses use patients.
etc
etc

No surprise here.
The TPS is not a union.

Many would say it is an extortion racket.

You're always banging the bongo drums about cutting service, locating and eliminating waste and rooting out inefficiency in the civil service. So, tell us about the waste, inefficiency and services you would excise from the TPS budget?

Asked the above of you on many other occasions, which of course you have refused to answer because behind every right-wing whacko lurks the heart, soul and purdy lips of a police lollipop licker.
 
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Anbarandy

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TPA represents TPS.
The TPA represents the union members of the TPS.

They do not represent the legal organizational authority of the TPS.

The TPS is overseen by the Toronto Police Services Board as an official entity under the authority of the Toronto City Council and more broadly to the people of Toronto.
 

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The TPA represents the union members of the TPS.

They do not represent the legal organizational authority of the TPS.

The TPS is overseen by the Toronto Police Services Board as an official entity under the authority of the Toronto City Council and more broadly to the people of Toronto.
One hand holds the other.
 

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The TPS is not a public service union.
Important distinction, one which favours the TPS and other “private” groups. Or are you arguing that any group should just shut their yap..say for example climate scientist?

And on that topic maybe you should actually scream and mercenary teachers and nurses. Who after being staunch supporters of the NDP for decades. Got all pissy when he went into debt up to his eyeballs…so brought in Rae days…and then they went to the highest bidder... Who have mastered it, making noise, fear mongering, playing violins and crying crocodile tears……and also take out political ads, telling you who to vote for…and use shell groups such as working families to run more ads..and in part are responsible for the god awful mess we are in. Because you the voters….

See the difference between asking for more funding and influencing elections?

One part of this campaign is by the Toronto Police Association (TPA). It's been dropping flyers in mailboxes and campaigning hard on how risky it is not to give the police the ever-increasing amount of money they annually ask for.
That’s unusual.
Be that as it may how does it differ from what public service unions do.

not privy to their budget and all expenses.
maybe just ask yourself if violent crime rates are trending up ( yes very noticeably)…

Has head count kept pace with population growth over the past 5-10 years? Aka cops per capita

do socioeconomic factors such as poverty, substance abuse play a role? Etc and so on.

And if council or you the voters don’t think it’s affordable. No one to blame but yourself for all your wants wants wants and wants and mountains of debt.
 
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The TPS is not a union.

Many would say it is an extortion racket.

You're always banging the bongo drums about cutting service, locating and eliminating waste and rooting out inefficiency in the civil service. So, tell us about the waste, inefficiency and services you would excise from the TPS budget?

Asked the above of you on many other occasions, which of course you have refused to answer because behind every right-wing whacko lurks the heart, soul and purdy lips of a police lollipop licker.
There's always room to cut waste and implement efficiencies to save money while not drastically affecting safety. Some of the things I've been reading about include:
  • Divert more mental crisis calls to the Toronto Community Crisis Service.
  • Have fewer police at public events, including parades and demonstrations.
  • Stop random police patrols.
  • Have fewer uniformed officers and more civilians do the work of traffic services and ticketing.
  • Have only one officer in a cruiser after dark instead of two.
Last but not least, lock you up for good so we can divert police services elsewhere.
 

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There's always room to cut waste and implement efficiencies to save money while not drastically affecting safety. Some of the things I've been reading about include:
  • Divert more mental crisis calls to the Toronto Community Crisis Service.
  • Have fewer police at public events, including parades and demonstrations.
  • Stop random police patrols.
  • Have fewer uniformed officers and more civilians do the work of traffic services and ticketing.
  • Have only one officer in a cruiser after dark instead of two.
Last but not least, lock me up for good so we can divert police services elsewhere.
Ding! Ding! Ding!

GAGNANT/WINNER!

Congratulations for removing your head from you know where and your lips from you know what and listing some police duties and practices that you pulled from some articles that police are performing now that would be better suited, more cost efficient and produce better outcomes than what we have now.

Well now, that is your first step to redemption.

The next step is to list the ones that you pilfered from other sources that you would endorse with glee.

Go ahead.
 

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Ding! Ding! Ding!

GAGNANT/WINNER!

Congratulations for removing your head from you know where and your lips from you know what and listing some police duties and practices that you pulled from some articles that police are performing now that would be better suited, more cost efficient and produce better outcomes than what we have now.

Well now, that is your first step to redemption.

The next step is to list the ones that you pilfered from other sources that you would endorse with glee.

Go ahead.
I'm not sure if you skipped your meds today but what are you trying to say exactly?
Efficiencies should be pursued in all levels of government and all public services. Have I ever stated anything different or have you run out of your Ritalin again?
 
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The vast majority of the police budget 90 % is consumed by negotiated wage and benefit contracts that have been signed or are pending. So the last 10% is for the facilities, fleet, investigations, community engage and so on. There not as much room to cut as some would like you to believe and the last thing the city does not want is to go to arbitration and lose as currently TPS staffing rate is very low at 163 officers/ 100000 citizens VS Vancouver 189 and Montreal at 204.
The ship has sailed on the refund the police nonsense as people with any sense have looked at blighted American cities that defunded the police the consequences. TPS and the TPA don't have to fearmonger when people daily read the newspapers and internet.
 

Anbarandy

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I'm not sure if you skipped your meds today but what are you trying to say exactly?
Efficiencies should be pursued in all levels of government and all public services. Have I ever stated anything different or have you run out of your Ritalin again?
So which ones from your outsourced list do you gleefully want implemented ASAP:

"There's always room to cut waste and implement efficiencies to save money while not drastically affecting safety. Some of the things I've been reading about include:

THE LIST THE LIST THE LIST THE LIST
  • Divert more mental crisis calls to the Toronto Community Crisis Service.
  • Have fewer police at public events, including parades and demonstrations.
  • Stop random police patrols.
  • Have fewer uniformed officers and more civilians do the work of traffic services and ticketing.
  • Have only one officer in a cruiser after dark instead of two."
 

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So which ones from your outsourced list do you gleefully want implemented ASAP:

"There's always room to cut waste and implement efficiencies to save money while not drastically affecting safety. Some of the things I've been reading about include:

THE LIST THE LIST THE LIST THE LIST
  • Divert more mental crisis calls to the Toronto Community Crisis Service.
  • Have fewer police at public events, including parades and demonstrations.
  • Stop random police patrols.
  • Have fewer uniformed officers and more civilians do the work of traffic services and ticketing.
  • Have only one officer in a cruiser after dark instead of two."
All of them seem reasonable no?

Anything you want to add seeing as you are an expert in policing? Why don't you enlighten us and tell your shower buddies you need a few minutes to think this through.
 

Anbarandy

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The vast majority of the police budget 90 % is consumed by negotiated wage and benefit contracts that have been signed or are pending. So the last 10% is for the facilities, fleet, investigations, community engage and so on. There not as much room to cut as some would like you to believe and the last thing the city does not want is to go to arbitration and lose as currently TPS staffing rate is very low at 163 officers/ 100000 citizens VS Vancouver 189 and Montreal at 204.
The ship has sailed on the refund the police nonsense as people with any sense have looked at blighted American cities that defunded the police the consequences. TPS and the TPA don't have to fearmonger when people daily read the newspapers and internet.
Highly doubt that binding arbitration sets the officers/citizens ratio, so that argument vis-a-vis other cities fails on it's face.

Adjusted for inflation, the property tax supported TPS budget has grown for the mid-$300 range per taxpayer in the early nineties to the high-$400 range per taxpayer as of 2023. So has big increase in the TPS produced any better outcomes since then? Most would argue NO. Then why should we believe that just throwing more and more money at the TPS will actually work to produce the outcomes we all want when history has shown increased $$$$s does not increase outcomes and value.

Your last line is laughable because they are fearmongering and what's worse is that they have the power and capabilities granted to them by the law and by the people to do harm.
 

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All of them seem reasonable no?

Anything you want to add seeing as you are an expert in policing? Why don't you enlighten us and tell your shower buddies you need a few minutes to think this through.
Say the words!

List the ones that you would gleefully want implemented ASAP.

We're all waiting.
 
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