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Harper wants us to believe that the 12-country Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is all about getting a better deal for Canadians, but the truth is the pact could end up being one of the biggest corporate power grabs in a generation.

The TPP puts profits ahead of environmental protection and police our everyday use of the internet is in trouble, but people are starting to realize that this deal is bad for Canadians. Together, we're starting to win. Trade experts and analysts around the world are saying the talks are in trouble.

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What We Know About the Secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership that Was Just Signed
Written by Jordan Pearson
October 5, 2015 // 02:21 PM EST

The Trans-Pacific Partnership, a massive international trade deal between 12 countries including Canada, Japan, and the US, was signed on Monday after seven years of secret negotiations.

To anyone who hasn’t been obsessively following the drama leading up to today’s signing, that probably sounds boring as hell. You’re not totally wrong. But buried in the reams of dry legal jargon of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) are stipulations that will affect everything from access to pirated movies and music, to government spying, to the price of life-saving drugs around the world.

Just as significant as the actual contents of the TPP is the process that led to its signing, which some critics have called anti-democratic. Talks have been carried out behind closed doors among a select group of government representatives and corporate advisors. Almost everything we know about the agreement’s contents comes from drafts of the chapters leaked to the internet, and the full text of the agreement is still secret.

Both the Canadian and US governments have released statements this morning describing, in broad strokes, what the final text of the TPP covers, however. Keeping these confirmations in mind, as well as previous leaks and speculation, here’s what you should know about the trade deal of the century.

GOVERNMENT SPYING WILL BE EASIER

The internet is a global network of networks, but data privacy laws are a highly localized patchwork; data protected from snooping in one country might be fair game for the government in another. The TPP will make the internet one big data trough for foreign security agencies to feed out of.

The key point here is something called “data localization.” To keep citizens’ data from passing through foreign servers—particularly in the US—which might be tapped by national security agencies, countries like Canada and Australia (both TPP signatories) have taken steps to implement laws that ensure their data stays in the country.

When the TPP is finally released, expect the policy shitshow of the decade

These laws will presumably have to be reversed under the TPP, which prevents governments from making local data storage a requirement for doing business in-country, the government of Canada confirmed in a rundown of technical provisions in the TPP. For example, Google wouldn’t be required to store Canadians’ Gmail data in Canada, which critics say limits locals’ control over their data.

This confirms what internet law experts and civil rights organizations like the Electronic Frontier Foundation have long believed, despite not having a leak of the relevant TPP chapter to refer to.

COURTS COULD ORDER ISPs TO BLOCK WEBSITES

The TPP’s leaked intellectual property chapter revealed that the US is pushing to impose its “shoot first and ask questions later” style of copyright enforcement on the rest of the world, with a carve-out for Canada, which is a little more chill about the whole thing at the moment.

Even though Canada will be spared the US-style approach to copyright, which requires internet service providers to take down infringing content as soon as they’re notified, the caveat comes at a cost: ISPs may have to “remove or disable” access to infringing material if a court orders it, which some critics have interpreted as opening the doors to website blocking in Canada.

What this means is that Canadians may actually be blocked from visiting sites like The Pirate Bay. Downloading music or movies not in the public domain is illegal, but similar sites can just as easily be used to download materials that don’t infringe copyright. Blocking access to websites wholesale is a practice more reminiscent of China’s Great Firewall than anything else.

This also assumes that copyright will be used “properly,” that is, courts and copyright holders will target only pages and sites that actually host infringing content. This is not always the case. In the US, for example, open source coding platform GitHub has been hit in the crossfire of porn company copyright disputes.

Watch more from Motherboard: High Country, Part 1

TINKERING WILL BE CRIMINALIZED

Drafts of the TPP’s intellectual property chapter, leaked as recently as July of 2015, describe new, mandatory criminal penalties for tinkerers who remove digital rights management (DRM) protections on products.

According to the Canadian government, the signed agreement both criminalizes “commercial scale” copyright infringement and generally “ensures strong and robust rules for the civil, criminal and border enforcement of IP rights.”

This could mean, by way of hypothetical example, that farmers tinkering with their John Deere tractors so that they can use their preferred diagnostic software will be held criminally liable for bypassing John Deere’s baked-in protections, even though they’re not doing so with the intent of committing a crime. Removing watermarks and other identifying information from digital goods will also be a crime, according to the leaked chapter.

Canadian copyright law doesn’t list any such criminal sanctions for DRM circumvention, internet law expert Michael Geist told me last month, meaning that the law will have to change to include such harsh stipulations.

PUBLIC COMPANIES MUST ACT LIKE PRIVATE CORPORATIONS

The TPP will force public companies—public broadcasters like the CBC in Canada, for example—to act like private corporations, privileging commercial concerns over civic ones.

This stipulation was confirmed by the Government of Canada in its technical rundown this morning, vindicating speculation that first arose from a leaked 2013 letter relating to TPP talks, which requested guidance on the topic of state-owned enterprises (SOEs) acting more like private entities.

The entire point of government-owned companies will be moot

Without a draft chapter relating to this provision to refer to, there’s admittedly not much to go on here. But in forcing public companies to abide to the same business playbook as private ones, the entire point of government-owned companies—to provide a public service without the usual pressure to turn a profit—will be moot under the TPP.

State-owned enterprises in Forbes’ Global 2,000 list of companies racked up more than $3 trillion in sales in 2013, which just goes to show that the TPP’s new restrictions will have wide-ranging effects, especially in poor regions where SOEs play an important role in economic development.

DRUG PRICES MAY GO UP IN DEVELOPING NATIONS

The TPP requires that member countries implement copyright laws that will delay the approval of generic drugs and potentially drive up the cost of old ones.

Signatories will be required, for example, to make clinical test data for drugs exclusive to the companies that undertake the tests, even after the drug’s patent has expired.

The Canadian government’s description of the TPP stipulations with regard to pharmaceuticals suggests that the text of the agreement is largely in line with current Canadian law, but a recent report from the South Center concluded that developing nations will be hit hardest by the new provisions.

The TPP’s drug requirements would, based on previously leaked drafts, result in an HIV treatment in Vietnam skyrocketing from $127 per year to $501 per year, according to a study by Australian and US researchers.

And you thought Martin Shkreli was bad. Thankfully, the Canadian government notes that TPP parties will have some “flexibility” in how they implement the data exclusivity requirements, but it’s not clear that anyone will be fully exempt.

COMPANIES WON'T HAVE TO SHARE SOURCE CODE WITH THE GOVERNMENT

Volkswagen’s most recent scandal, which revealed that the company’s proprietary software was cheating emissions tests, raised calls to make such software auditable by the public, or at least the government. Under the TPP, this would be impossible.

The TPP contains provisions that “[Prevent] governments in TPP countries from demanding access to an enterprise’s software source code,” according to the Canadian government.

This may be problematic, as in the Volkwagen example, but it could also be a boon for companies that develop encryption software. In the US, the FBI has been pushing for “back doors” for security agencies in consumer encryption technologies. This would be awfully hard to accomplish, or verify, if these companies aren’t obligated to show their code to the feds.

THE AGREEMENT IS STILL SECRET, BUT NOT FOR LONG

Even though we have a better idea of what will be in the finished agreement now that it’s been signed, we still don’t know what, exactly, the final text says. Most of the nitty-gritty details are only included in outdated drafts. This is a byproduct of the notoriously secret negotiations process.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership saga is far from over

There is hope, however: now that the TPP has been signed, reports suggest that the full text of the agreement will be available for review in about a month. President Barack Obama stated this morning that US citizens will have “months” to read the agreement before it’s approved by Congress. When the TPP is finally released, expect the policy shitshow of the decade.

COUNTRIES CAN STILL BACK OUT

Finally, what is important to note is that while the TPP has been signed by its delegates, it’s not been ratified back at home. As previously mentioned, Congress still has to debate and approve (or reject) the deal.

In Canada, the TPP’s standing is even more tenuous. The agreement was signed in the middle of an election, when the government is supposed to be in “caretaker mode,” which prevents it from making decisions that bind future governments. Thus, any new government has the ability to reject the TPP, even though it’s been signed, and both of the main parties running against the incumbent Conservatives have stated that they would reconsider the deal, or wouldn’t consider themselves bound by the TPP.

In short, the Trans-Pacific Partnership saga is far from over.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/what-we-know-about-the-secretive-trans-pacific-partnership-that-was-just-signed
 

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The old Conservatives on this board love it.
It sells our sovereignty and our working class but hey, a few rich people benefit. Us Non-Middle-Aged people will have to live with the negative long term effects.

I posted this video a long time ago, and was criticized for it!! This board has a large contingent of uneducated and anti-intellectual viewpoints.

All hail the fucking corporate statist elitists.
 

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It's going to be very messy.

In Canada, the TPP’s standing is even more tenuous. The agreement was signed in the middle of an election, when the government is supposed to be in “caretaker mode,” which prevents it from making decisions that bind future governments. Thus, any new government has the ability to reject the TPP, even though it’s been signed, and both of the main parties running against the incumbent Conservatives have stated that they would reconsider the deal, or wouldn’t consider themselves bound by the TPP.

In short, the Trans-Pacific Partnership saga is far from over.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/what-we-know-about-the-secretive-trans-pacific-partnership-that-was-just-signed
Another reason to not let the cons win.

I prefer the NDP.
I don't like the Liberals but I am compelled to vote for them just to not let the Conservatives win.
 

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By court order ISP would be forced to block some websites like piratebay and if the Cons have there way they will block escort review boards like terb. Nothing like conservative members on this board shooting themselves in the foot.

I know the NDP is our best chance to back out of this deal.
 

Garrett

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The old Conservatives on this board love it.
It sells our sovereignty and our working class but hey, a few rich people benefit. Us Non-Middle-Aged people will have to live with the negative long term effects.
The problem is it is a global economy, and if you decide to sit out, you will ultimately lose.

Canada is resource rich and needs exports. For example, while it would be great to have a strong auto industry, those jobs are gone and we cannot compete with Mexico (especially with the unions driving wages into the stratosphere).

Industry lobbyists are driving the world direction, and there is little Canada can do about it. Being involved is the only viable approach.

I assume by "non middle aged" you are under 30? If so, I definitely agree your generation has been given a shitty hand. Expensive education, expensive housing, middling job market, and governments building massive debt your generation can never pay off. Oddly enough the most carnage in terms of competitiveness and financial management in Ontario is coming from the provincial Liberals. If you want things to get worse, double down and elect federal Liberals where Trudeau is promising the world to get elected, and will make sure you are the one paying for it. Then we have Mulcair who has stated he will sit out the trade deal. While I think the PCs have done many questionable things, they are also the only ones running on their performance, and still seem to be the only party with some sane financial management remaining.
 

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While I think the PCs have done many questionable things, they are also the only ones running on their performance, and still seem to be the only party with some sane financial management remaining.
Total BS.
 

Garrett

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Total BS.
Uhhh, that is quite the argument. Sadly, everything stated was factual and it is not hard to understand the ramifications of each party's platform. Simply pick your poison. A lot of people have lousy financial management in their personal lives so they have no issues when a government does it as well.
 

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Conservatives having a better track record of managing the country finances is total myth. They wasted billions of $$$ as much as the Liberals. Anyways this TPP deal sucks.
 

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Nobel laureate warns of Trans-Pacific Partnership dangers

http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=11405825&__lsa=7d62-4cd2

BY CHUCK CHIANG, VANCOUVER SUN OCTOBER 1, 2015

Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz is one of the most renowned economists in the world. The Columbia University professor and former chief economist at the World Bank won the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Science in 2001 and has been one of the most vocal critics of globalization and global inequality.

On Thursday, Stiglitz spoke at the University of B.C. as part of a new $3-million initiative spurred by a donation by Rogers Communications vice-chairman Phil Lind. Before to the seminar, Stiglitz spoke with The Vancouver Sun, noting the timing of his UBC appearance is appropriate with the Trans-Pacific Partnership entering final talks. He warned Canadians that the 12-nation free-trade deal, which includes Canada, has the potential to damage certain aspects of quality of life for consumers and citizens.

Q: What, in your view, is wrong with a free-trade deal like the Trans-Pacific Partnership?

A: These are not free-trade agreements. The point is, free-trade is a euphemism. It’s a managed trade deal that all sides put in provisions to manage the trade in their favour.

The problem is … it’s not like the negotiations are happening between the Canadian people and the American people and the New Zealand people. It’s between the trade ministers. Historically, especially in the United States, it’s among the most influenced by special interests of the federal agencies.

That’s where these agreements are becoming particularly bad. It used to be that trade agreements were negotiated over tariffs … the consumers gained. The new agreements are about getting rid of regulations. We’re talking about regulation over the environment, safety, economy, health. The consumers, who are not at the table, get screwed.

Q: Are there parts of the Trans-Pacific Partnership that particularly concern you?

A: They’ve been negotiating in secret, so we don’t know the exact terms. But we have a pretty good idea. There’s one provision which allows any company to sue the government if there’s a new regulation. That kind of regulation is being used by (cigarette maker) Philip Morris to sue Uruguay and Australia about cigarette disclosure.

Now imagine if this kind of law had been in place when we discovered asbestos is dangerous to your health. Rather than what did happen — asbestos manufacturers were shut down and used their profits to compensate those who had to re-do their buildings and those who are dying from asbestos — under the new trade agreement, the government would have to pay the companies to not kill anybody … It takes away the basic right of government to protect its citizens.

Q: As you said, free-trade agreements traditionally benefit consumers. Any examples where the Trans-Pacific Partnership runs counter to this theory?

A: We had in the United States an agreement to balance the generic medicines and Big Pharmas. We wanted Big Pharmas to bring in new drugs, but we wanted the generics to keep the price down. While our drug prices are still the highest in the world, if it hadn’t been for the generics, they would have been through the roof.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership upends that balance, making it much harder to access generic medicines. The poor won’t be able to be able to afford it, insurance premiums are going to go up … so it is going to affect every group in society, and none of them are at the negotiation table.

Q: What issues face Canada if we join a fully-formed Trans-Pacific Partnership?

A: The big issue affecting Canada will be, what percentage of a car can be made in China for the car to be called a Japanese car? The U.S. proposed in the meeting a rules-of-origin rule that was very low, so Chinese cars can basically enter the market under the label of Japanese cars. That would kill auto-parts makers in Mexico, Canada and the United States.

Q: The 12 member states of the Trans-Pacific Partnership have been struggling to finish negotiations. What’s your view on the future of this accord?

A: I’m actually optimistic the Trans-Pacific Partnership will not come to pass because of public pressure in at least one of the countries. I’m even optimistic in the United States because, as I said, the real concern is that the whole thing is being written by corporations behind closed doors, with very little public input.

Our electoral cycle begins extraordinarily early, so even if the presidential election is not until next November, the primaries debates have already begun … candidates will have to take a position. There’s a growing sense, both on the Republican side and the Democratic side, that there will be opposition, because it will be clear this is not an old-fashioned trade deal where consumers will be better off.
 

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Any one who agrees with this, is out of their minds. Its like signing a deal with the devil (Money Interests). Please lets get this westerner out of office as soon as possible.
 

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The problem is it is a global economy, and if you decide to sit out, you will ultimately lose.

Canada is resource rich and needs exports. For example, while it would be great to have a strong auto industry, those jobs are gone and we cannot compete with Mexico (especially with the unions driving wages into the stratosphere).

Industry lobbyists are driving the world direction, and there is little Canada can do about it. Being involved is the only viable approach.

I assume by "non middle aged" you are under 30? If so, I definitely agree your generation has been given a shitty hand. Expensive education, expensive housing, middling job market, and governments building massive debt your generation can never pay off. Oddly enough the most carnage in terms of competitiveness and financial management in Ontario is coming from the provincial Liberals. If you want things to get worse, double down and elect federal Liberals where Trudeau is promising the world to get elected, and will make sure you are the one paying for it. Then we have Mulcair who has stated he will sit out the trade deal. While I think the PCs have done many questionable things, they are also the only ones running on their performance, and still seem to be the only party with some sane financial management remaining.
Investment is what builds growth, is this what Cons call wasteful spending?. We want rich folks to pay the same amount of taxes as everyone else.
Also besides the economical issues our sovereignty and privacy is not worth the trade.
 

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Any one who agrees with this, is out of their minds. Its like signing a deal with the devil (Money Interests). Please lets get this westerner out of office as soon as possible.
Go to Politics section, you'll see how much they love it over there.
 

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Investment is what builds growth, is this what Cons call wasteful spending?. We want rich folks to pay the same amount of taxes as everyone else.
The government driving fake projects, taxing the people and then distributing those taxes while going into debt, while increasing taxes on business, actually hurts growth. It does not work, and is not sustainable. You want evidence, look at the current position of Ontario. If you can line up at the trough, it works though... for awhile... then you simply go to another country.

None of this is new. In political terms it can help you get elected as a lot of people, apparently yourself included, have zero financial insight and simply want a free lunch. Only problem is, it ain't free.
 

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If one looks outside Canada one sees that there are liberals who like it (the President of the U.S. being one), and conservatives who hate it. As Garrett wrote, this is an issue of economic and political philosophy and people with the best interests of their country at heart will have profound disagreements over it.
 

twizz

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The government driving fake projects, taxing the people and then distributing those taxes while going into debt, while increasing taxes on business, actually hurts growth. It does not work, and is not sustainable. You want evidence, look at the current position of Ontario. If you can line up at the trough, it works though... for awhile... then you simply go to another country.

None of this is new. In political terms it can help you get elected as a lot of people, apparently yourself included, have zero financial insight and simply want a free lunch. Only problem is, it ain't free.
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