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angrymime666

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Property is fucked in areas such as southern on, bc interior, etc.

The problem is housing affordability will not improve unless there is a significant crash in those areas. Unfortunately government doesn't want prices to drop due to political loss and a tax revenue loss. Coupled with shit gets more expensive every year and everyone needs to eat. Regulations, planning, nimbyism etc.. Even cmhc has given the ability to buy a home and increase the number of buyers. Totally increased demand through government policy. Cheap interest rates, sketchy lending requirements, fraud.

Affordability can be found in other areas of Canada but no one want to live there or they lack the employment opportunities. It is possible but people want to live a lifestyle which has become increasingly unobtainable.

I've looked into several areas of Canada to buy but it seems that Canada and the housing market is somewhat like slavery. You are always going to pay every year, which increase every year. Essentially even if you have a zero mortgage you will always be paying rent to the government. Older homes typically have cheaper municipal taxes. Newer home have higher taxes. From a tax perspective it make sense to buy an old home to minimize the tax burden. I've been pontificating building my own home which would be self built and modest under 1000sq feet. The tax burden since its a new build would be very much higher not including all the fees associated with development and restrictions.

i don't thinks it's going to get much better, even if new inventory is built on a massive scale because there isn't any skin in the game for developers to make a profit while covering the build costs. The government building houses? Ain't no way that will be as efficient on a time and cost basis as the for profit sector.

Canada has made it much easier over the years to buy homes, which is great however there is always a reaction sometimes good sometimes bad.

I'm 99.9 percent sure I will leave Canada. Running the numbers I can live a much better life elsewhere. It's just a matter of exploring and finding a new home.

If you want to buy a house I would suggest to house hack. Rent out rooms, Airbnb a room, buy a duplex. Also just to cut costs on housing if you are not in a position to buy, rent a apartment with a buddy or rent a cheap room.
 

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Life is funny sometimes.

back in 2023 , my friends that were making more money than me had just bought condos. Did the humble brag about the 120k down payments. Had me feeling like shit.

& Now. They probably won’t make the down payment back if they did a distress sale.

Since. I’ve had sex with more woman than them & s&p 500 & GICs performed better than condo market.
 
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DesRicardo

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It's over. Canada is cooked.

Developers aren't making any money, Buyers don't have the money, and Owners don't want to lose money.

We are going to move into some form of public and/or social housing, but they haven't quite figured how to get everyone onboard. Watch out for the term "multigenerational", they will try to make this the new in phase like they did with condos.

If I was 15 years younger, I'd be looking to leave Canada.
 

CLOUD 500

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Property is fucked in areas such as southern on, bc interior, etc.

The problem is housing affordability will not improve unless there is a significant crash in those areas. Unfortunately government doesn't want prices to drop due to political loss and a tax revenue loss. Coupled with shit gets more expensive every year and everyone needs to eat. Regulations, planning, nimbyism etc.. Even cmhc has given the ability to buy a home and increase the number of buyers. Totally increased demand through government policy. Cheap interest rates, sketchy lending requirements, fraud.

Affordability can be found in other areas of Canada but no one want to live there or they lack the employment opportunities. It is possible but people want to live a lifestyle which has become increasingly unobtainable.

I've looked into several areas of Canada to buy but it seems that Canada and the housing market is somewhat like slavery. You are always going to pay every year, which increase every year. Essentially even if you have a zero mortgage you will always be paying rent to the government. Older homes typically have cheaper municipal taxes. Newer home have higher taxes. From a tax perspective it make sense to buy an old home to minimize the tax burden. I've been pontificating building my own home which would be self built and modest under 1000sq feet. The tax burden since its a new build would be very much higher not including all the fees associated with development and restrictions.

i don't thinks it's going to get much better, even if new inventory is built on a massive scale because there isn't any skin in the game for developers to make a profit while covering the build costs. The government building houses? Ain't no way that will be as efficient on a time and cost basis as the for profit sector.

Canada has made it much easier over the years to buy homes, which is great however there is always a reaction sometimes good sometimes bad.

I'm 99.9 percent sure I will leave Canada. Running the numbers I can live a much better life elsewhere. It's just a matter of exploring and finding a new home.

If you want to buy a house I would suggest to house hack. Rent out rooms, Airbnb a room, buy a duplex. Also just to cut costs on housing if you are not in a position to buy, rent a apartment with a buddy or rent a cheap room.
Blame the people that kept on voting for the Trudeau Liberals. It was not like this before Trudeau but he opened the floodgates to mass immigration. We had record population growth like we never seen. It grew too fast and caused demand to surge. Prices for houses and apartments shot up. Food prices shot up and things will keep on getting more expensive. Every third world country has the same problem, rapidly growing population. The only thing that can save Canada is we need negative migration. But Trudeau leading the Century Initiative and Carney recruited to do Trudeau's bidding, will not let the population decline. They would loose their best voters, the baby boomers that own a house and want their home values to keep increased plus the loss of tax revenue. Coming the last election, people had a chance for change but the ppl of the 905 area and Quebec had Trump Derangement Syndrome and voted Carney who essentially has the same cabinet as Trudeau. Carney has not significantly reduced immigration. I agree, time to look to move to some other country. As for moving to other parts of the country, no escort agencies and no lap dance stripclubs. Not too interesting to go to those places.
 
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tdot.playboy

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I think it's going to get even bad.

Lot of AI models have got really good suddenly over last one year

So there will be some impact on employment numbers from second half of 2026.

If people don't have incomes, those mortgage approvals will not come.

It may be very different this time.
 
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CLOUD 500

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I think it's going to get even bad.

Lot of AI models have got really good suddenly over last one year

So there will be some impact on employment numbers from second half of 2026.

If people don't have incomes, those mortgage approvals will not come.

It may be very different this time.
Carney will follow Trudeau. Remember mass immigration means greater numbers means more people can approved for mortgages. Plus they will give credits, lower interest rates, offer even longer terms on mortgages like when Trudeau made it to 30 years. Eventually it can go to 50 years. They will do anything to drive up demand to keep prices up.
 

DesRicardo

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I think it's going to get even bad.

Lot of AI models have got really good suddenly over last one year

So there will be some impact on employment numbers from second half of 2026.

If people don't have incomes, those mortgage approvals will not come.

It may be very different this time.
They want us all in public housing.

But even then, the Liberals can't get housing started. They get nothing done, plus bankrupt the country with wasteful spending.
 
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K Douglas

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Agree on your points. I will also add that city governments have greatly contributed to “unaffordability”. Development charges are up 1000% in 25 years. What used to cost $1500-$3000 per unit now costs $150000+. These are supposed to fund roads and sewers but roads and sewers already exists and are funded through property taxes anyway. So the latest info is that the city has billions in trust accounts from collected development charges, yet they still increase property taxes. My cynical mind thinks all those fees will eventually be eaten away by city employee pensions and useless programs. There was a statistic I saw that 1/3 of the condo purchase price goes to one of the levels of government which also included HST. I actually remember when HST was not applied to new housing. How about that for a policy change. Get rid of HST on new housing. ! Canadians are being taxed to death. Very sorry state for a country I used to love. Dark times have arrived.
I knew the charges were up significantly but that much? Wow.
 

CLOUD 500

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Agree on your points. I will also add that city governments have greatly contributed to “unaffordability”. Development charges are up 1000% in 25 years. What used to cost $1500-$3000 per unit now costs $150000+. These are supposed to fund roads and sewers but roads and sewers already exists and are funded through property taxes anyway. So the latest info is that the city has billions in trust accounts from collected development charges, yet they still increase property taxes. My cynical mind thinks all those fees will eventually be eaten away by city employee pensions and useless programs. There was a statistic I saw that 1/3 of the condo purchase price goes to one of the levels of government which also included HST. I actually remember when HST was not applied to new housing. How about that for a policy change. Get rid of HST on new housing. ! Canadians are being taxed to death. Very sorry state for a country I used to love. Dark times have arrived.
Yet people in the GTA and Quebec keep voting Liberal! They all seem to got Trump Derangement Syndrome. These people are so delusioned. Trump did not cause the current state of affairs in Canada. Btw condos is part of Trudeau's plan. They do not want any single detached houses. One of the goal of his mass immigration policy is to turn everyone into tax cows, that is why they want to so much population and they want to cram as many people into a small area. Densification is their goal. They want everyone to take public transit and ride a bicycle and live in crammed over priced condos. That is the result of mass immigration. This Liberal government has to go, the cabinet comprises of the same people Trudeau had.
 

HungSowel

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When Regan started trickle down economics, power shifted from labor to the owner class. Earning money from productive work is taxed at higher rates than earning the same money from investments. Among investments, real estate is often the best asset class to own because of price stability, appreciation, and tax treatment.

I own my own business, I started it 18 years ago. If could to do it over again, I would have just dumped my money and time into flipping houses and being a slum lord. Also, if I had taken the initial money I invested in my business and dumped it into an S&P 500 ETF/mutual-fund I would have been better off.

Now that I am making more from investments than my business, I am constantly day dreaming about just shutting down my business. The only thing that is stopping me is that I feel obligated to my large wholesale customers that stuck with me through thick and thin.
 

jeff2

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When Regan started trickle down economics, power shifted from labor to the owner class. Earning money from productive work is taxed at higher rates than earning the same money from investments. Among investments, real estate is often the best asset class to own because of price stability, appreciation, and tax treatment.

I own my own business, I started it 18 years ago. If could to do it over again, I would have just dumped my money and time into flipping houses and being a slum lord. Also, if I had taken the initial money I invested in my business and dumped it into an S&P 500 ETF/mutual-fund I would have been better off.

Now that I am making more from investments than my business, I am constantly day dreaming about just shutting down my business. The only thing that is stopping me is that I feel obligated to my large wholesale customers that stuck with me through thick and thin.
Interesting too that Reagan started right when personal computers were becoming popular in offices. Manufacturing was being outsourced and automated and the labour market was saturated with boomers and women.
 
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