No need to. We all know that the car-jackings and shootings are done by Asians wearing black hoodies
Toronto police chief to apologize to Black community as force unveils race-based data: sources
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There’s lies, dam lies and then Statistics. If you say 10% of a group are charged 22% more often, it sounds really bad. This does not have any consideration for who is committing the crimes to begin with. I am not arguing that black peoples are not discriminated against, only the fact that people tend to use statistics that fit their own agenda regardless of the truth. If they won’t release stats on who is committing the crimes, stats on who is charged are not relevant. There are many different factors other than race for criminal acts, such as economics and population density. If we’re going to fix things, we have to look at all relevant factors.
If the police are racist howcome they only target young black males ?
Wouldn't racists target ALL black people regardless of age or gender ?
It's like getting angry at the police for "targeting" young males with sports cars for street racing instead of 60 year old women. Obviously anyone with an iq over room temperature can see what's going on.
9 out of 10 times when there is a shooting in Toronto the victim and perpetrator are both black. But let's not talk about that or we are racists
Wouldn't racists target ALL black people regardless of age or gender ?
It's like getting angry at the police for "targeting" young males with sports cars for street racing instead of 60 year old women. Obviously anyone with an iq over room temperature can see what's going on.
9 out of 10 times when there is a shooting in Toronto the victim and perpetrator are both black. But let's not talk about that or we are racists
I think the Chief of police should strip naked, get on his knees, beg for forgiveness (with tears) then roll on the floor while "activists" all take turns giving him golden showers while filming the whole thing.
They still won't be happy, but it will show us all how far this guy has sunk and will do whatever he's told and confirm how he's just sold out the men and women who sadly have to work for him.
They will never do that, because, well, that would be racist.
But there is the Toronto's most wanted:
Homicide- Toronto Police Service
www.torontopolice.on.ca
Only a matter of time before they ban that too for being racist.
Data is meaningless without the other half of the equation. Releasing enforcement stats by race without releasing crime stats by race is unfair to the police force, and will result in hesitancy that will spike crime. This type of move is not logical, but instead idealogical.
It'd be different if the stats showed racialized individuals committed 10% of crimes, but made up 40% of arrests. But that's not their focus. Instead, they want the number of arrests to be in-line with population percentage. Can you imagine? Doesn't matter if you're committing a crime, we're over our racialized arrest quota!
So, so stupid. Yet the media and progressive groups are all over this.
It'd be different if the stats showed racialized individuals committed 10% of crimes, but made up 40% of arrests. But that's not their focus. Instead, they want the number of arrests to be in-line with population percentage. Can you imagine? Doesn't matter if you're committing a crime, we're over our racialized arrest quota!
So, so stupid. Yet the media and progressive groups are all over this.
Data is meaningless without the other half of the equation. Releasing enforcement stats by race without releasing crime stats by race is unfair to the police force, and will result in hesitancy that will spike crime. This type of move is not logical, but instead idealogical.
It'd be different if the stats showed racialized individuals committed 10% of crimes, but made up 40% of arrests. But that's not their focus. Instead, they want the number of arrests to be in-line with population percentage. Can you imagine? Doesn't matter if you're committing a crime, we're over our racialized arrest quota!
So, so stupid. Yet the media and progressive groups are all over this.
This was never about being fair. It was about appeasing certain political groups.
I agree with the correlation of economics/poverty and crime. And I've said this to young black men; instead of blaming others for your poverty, do something about it. Get an education. Get a good job. Be something you can be proud of instead of blaming"The man" for keeping you down. "YOU are in control of your life. No one else. If you CHOOSE to break the law then you suffer the consequences. If YOU hang with known criminals, then YOU suffer the consequences. If YOU present yourself in a way that portrays a criminal sector ( gang colours, rap artists fashion etc) then expect to be treated like a criminal.".
In another thread I said that when I took notice of my environment and who I was hanging with and made changes to my friends, dress/appearance, conduct, I was no longer getting hassled by police. I have several luxury SUVs and I don't drive like an asshole. I don't have the music loud and windows open. The tint is factory. The wheels are factory. Know how many times I've been stopped for "nothing"? Zero in 20+ yrs. I was pulled over for speeding five yrs ago 55 in a 40. I never denied it. Actually smiled and said "Damn, I was going over, wasn't I?". The officer took my info, came back in less than five minutes and let me go with a warning. Why? Because I wasn't an idiot to him and respected his job.
I will say, there are some bad cops out there. Cops who shouldn't be cops. They will fuck over just about anyone, because they feel they can. The only good thing that will come out of this type of study and action will be vetting those bad cops and unfortunately at the fate of another victim.
What if George Floyd (a man with a history of crime and bad interaction with police) had just complied that day? That being said, that cop had no regard and killed a man because he was one of those cops that shouldn't be a cop and let the situation get out of hand because of Floyd's history, another factor that gets overlooked .
Thank you for listening.
The data actually shows they target minorities black, brown, middle eastern Asian etc more than they do white people.
To those who think that this report means that blacks are discriminated against, because all races are equally likely to commit crimes, why do you NEVER promote the logical corollary to your views?
Namely, that certain groups, such as Japanese Canadians, who are LESS likely to be charged with crimes than befits their proportional representation in the population - they are unfairly AVOIDING being charged for the crimes that OBVIOUSLY they must be committing!
How do those rascals get away with it?
Take police away from those high crime (oops, sorry, OVER-CHARGED-WITH-CRIME) areas, and reallocate to those areas where Japanese Canadians are clustered, where crimes MUST be occurring yet are being ignored.
Namely, that certain groups, such as Japanese Canadians, who are LESS likely to be charged with crimes than befits their proportional representation in the population - they are unfairly AVOIDING being charged for the crimes that OBVIOUSLY they must be committing!
How do those rascals get away with it?
Take police away from those high crime (oops, sorry, OVER-CHARGED-WITH-CRIME) areas, and reallocate to those areas where Japanese Canadians are clustered, where crimes MUST be occurring yet are being ignored.
I heard on the news this morning that there were a couple overnight shootings in the city. Police haven't released a description of the victims or the suspects. Well, I wonder why... LOL
Have you heard the term FIDO? It stands for Fuck It, Drive On. If they're not careful, it's exactly what Toronto will do.
I just roll my eyes when I hear the BLM type activists who think the solution is to defund the Police. Like that's the answer!
So you need data on how often police arrest black men to understand data that shows that police arrest a large number of black men?
Essentially the same logic error as survivor bias.
True idea. The question is how to get that education when you don't have the money to support it and your family gets in your way. Having to work part time to support yourself and your family does make it harder to get yourself to the point they can get a good job. It's a lot easier in Canada that in most of the US to take advantage of opportunities but it does make it harder to get the opportunities.
And the fact is blaming crime on black youth doesn't fit Canadian reality where different regions have different ethnic makeup of gangsters. Toronto might be closer to US stats but all data shows that Toronto is far from the most dangerous cities in Canada.
Just out of curiosity, when do you become a visible minority?
Demographics of Toronto - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Europeans make up less than 50% of Toronto's population, but are all European's 'white'?
Years ago (25+) I applied for Legal Aid. I had to argue with the worker when I, a Caucasian male, had the audacity to tick the box declaring myself a visible minority. When pressed to change my answer I asked the lady to accompany me back into the waiting room and if I didn't appear to be a visible minority I would change my answer. Guess who stayed a visible minority on that particular application?
Personal story aside, I would really like an answer on what constitutes a visible minority?
I ask because, "Definition. Visible minority refers to whether a person is a visible minority or not, as defined by the Employment Equity Act. The Employment Equity Act defines visible minorities as "persons, other than Aboriginal peoples, who are non-Caucasian in race or non-white in colour".Nov 1, 2021"
Somehow that definition seems racist to me.
I think it's time we just give black people the keys to everything. It's their world, we're just living in it!!! 
Canada's Most Dangerous Cities (grunge.com)
Canada’s 20 most dangerous places 2020 - Macleans.ca
western canadian cities have higher crime rates
Canada’s 20 most dangerous places 2020 - Macleans.ca
western canadian cities have higher crime rates
