Toronto lockdown - Worlds longest

[TeeJay]

BBC chipped in on Ford's insanity
Once again we are #1

Toronto lockdown - one of the world's longest?

What is the effect of one of the longest pandemic indoor-dining bans in the world?

www.bbc.com

 

[luvyeah]

At least we are numbah one at something!

 

[K Douglas]

Do you remember just a few weeks back the models were saying 18,000 cases per day in Ontario leading to catastrophic levels of hospitalizations 2,500-3,000 in the ICU? What a bunch of bullshit. Utter scare tactics. The most we ever got to in daily cases was just over 4,800.
Perhaps they collaborated with some of the climate change modelers that think we're going to be 4°C warmer in 50 years

 

[Valcazar]

Do you remember just a few weeks back the models were saying 18,000 cases per day in Ontario leading to catastrophic levels of hospitalizations 2,500-3,000 in the ICU? What a bunch of bullshit. Utter scare tactics.

Nope.
Gotta link?

 

[seagerbuzz]

Do you remember just a few weeks back the models were saying 18,000 cases per day in Ontario leading to catastrophic levels of hospitalizations 2,500-3,000 in the ICU? What a bunch of bullshit. Utter scare tactics. The most we ever got to in daily cases was just over 4,800.
Perhaps they collaborated with some of the climate change modelers that think we're going to be 4°C warmer in 50 years

Come on squeezer. What do you gotta say about this. None of the projections were accurate. In fact they were way off.

 

[y2kmark]

Life is normal in other parts of the world.

No masks in site.

Some other parts of the world. Others, like India and Brazil not so much. I'd be more worried about hotspot neighborhoods than organized country club bubbles...

 

[idcloak]

BBC chipped in on Ford's insanity
Once again we are #1

Sure, a report from UK, known for being one of the worst covid handling countries with 3x the death rate as Canada.
Similar to US, vaccines got them out of trouble.
So they have little ground to comment on other countries' public health measures.

 

[idcloak]

Do you remember just a few weeks back the models were saying 18,000 cases per day in Ontario leading to catastrophic levels of hospitalizations 2,500-3,000 in the ICU? What a bunch of bullshit. Utter scare tactics. The most we ever got to in daily cases was just over 4,800.

As if that's not bad enough?
We were literally only a few cases of ICU triage protocol enactment.
Of course the projection was without further lockdowns and restrictions, the objective was to NOT get to those numbers in the projection! Should we not be happy that the projection was not accurate because we managed to control it?

It's easy for you armchair commentator to criticize, but if you were the family member of someone who were rejected a chance to get into the ICU because of the triage protocol, you would not feel the same way.

 

[TeeJay]

Nope.
Gotta link?

Nice try but that was WELL publicized by the covidiot fear mongers

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-covid-ford-curfew-1.5989426

 

[lenny2]

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/shutdowns-saved-young-people-from-worlds-leading-cause-of-death.722100/

 

[lenny2]

Many people are dining at restaurants in Vancouver.

 

[TeeJay]

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/shutdowns-saved-young-people-from-worlds-leading-cause-of-death.722100/

That click bait title is absolute bullshit

More people die of cardiovascular issues and cancer issues than any other cause

Staying home does not reduce your chance of a heart attack (to the contrary, less physical will INCREASE IT)
Smoking at home is not any safer than smoking in an office area (although I suppose you can argue less 2nd hand smoke deaths)

And since shutdown all the people on blood thinners and getting chemo have been impacted
Many new cases will not be diagnosed early enough to save people as well so expect those death rates to really spike

According to ON research they think the lockdowns have as much as a 25% chance of DECREASING your life expectancy by avoiding regular health checkups for common illnesses and sitting home

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[lenny2]

That click bait title is absolute bullshit

More people die of cardiovascular issues and cancer issues than any other cause

Staying home does not reduce your chance of a heart attack (to the contrary, less physical will INCREASE IT)
Smoking at home is not any safer than smoking in an office area (although I suppose you can argue less 2nd hand smoke deaths)

And since shutdown all the people on blood thinners and getting chemo have been impacted
Many new cases will not be diagnosed early enough to save people as well so expect those death rates to really spike

According to ON research they think the lockdowns have as much as a 25% chance of DECREASING your life expectancy by avoiding regular health checkups for common illnesses and sitting home

TVO Today | Current Affairs Journalism, Documentaries and Podcasts

www.tvo.org

Any deaths from such worldwide as a result of lockdowns will be miniscule compared to the tens of millions saved by lockdowns.

If such people had been allowed their usual screenings & such, even more health care workers would have died from covid19. Health care workers have suffered way more covid19 deaths than the general population.

Ideally speaking screenings & such should have been allowed to continue if health care workers could have been assured of being protected & hospitals assured of not being overwhelmed as a result.

 

[Valcazar]

Nice try but that was WELL publicized by the covidiot fear mongers

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-covid-ford-curfew-1.5989426

That's terrible reporting by the CBC, they don't even link to a model. It just seems to be "somebody told us".
I wanted to check what the model actually said versus the reporting.
You look at the one linked to from a couple of weeks earlier (which says 12,000) and of course the 12,000 is only if nothing is done, while the prediction for interventions was much closer to the real result.

 

[TeeJay]

That's terrible reporting by the CBC, they don't even link to a model. It just seems to be "somebody told us".
I wanted to check what the model actually said versus the reporting.
You look at the one linked to from a couple of weeks earlier (which says 12,000) and of course the 12,000 is only if nothing is done, while the prediction for interventions was much closer to the real result.

I remembered that story well as I was one of those on this board calling bunk on it saying it would never happen

Even worse check out some of the alleged restrictions they were planning (even banning things like curbside pickups!)

In the end Ford was way less insane than news predicted (still sounds like fear mongering) and many (incl myself) ended up having very little to rebel against

 

[TeeJay]

Any deaths from such worldwide as a result of lockdowns will be miniscule compared to the tens of millions saved by lockdowns.

Your math seems to be missing something here

If the covid flu is 99.3% recoverable by general population under 60 then the other illnesses (of which cardiovascular and cancer are the two biggest) will have FAR more long term damage as a result of lockdowns

Even WHO still shows cancer is (easily) leading cause of death world wide. On their own website they say screening reduces death rates between 30 to 50% !!!
Places like Canada will have issues due to lack of screening, but less developed countries are going to be ten times worse than us

I told you many times; we had a few short term gains (eg lack of car accidents, lack of homicides) that caused Canadian death rates to remain fairly flat but the overall life expectancy is going to take a big hit due to these lockdowns as sitting home for months at a time, not engaging in regular health checkups, not exercising properly (many viewed exercise as a loophole or were too afraid to go outside)

Stuff like cardiovascular diesease and cancer do not "go away" because you stay home, in most cases they get worse
I still think mental health crisis is on the way; let's watch how the last 2 years of high school and university kids do post pandemic

Cancer

WHO fact sheet on cancer providing information on the health burden of different types of cancer, causes, risk factors, prevention, early diagnosis, treatment, palliative care, and WHO's work in this area.

www.who.int

 

[basketcase]

Is it worth mentioning that many effective lockdowns were full-on where you could be charged for being a more than a couple hundred meters from home?

 

[TeeJay]

Is it worth mentioning that many effective lockdowns were full-on where you could be charged for being a more than a couple hundred meters from home?

Not really since most of the communist states have very little in common with us
Low covid counts and quick recovery

 

[seagerbuzz]

Many people are dining at restaurants in Vancouver.

What do you expect when their PHO has admitted that most of the deaths are in LTC homes.

 

[idcloak]

Not really since most of the communist states have very little in common with us
Low covid counts and quick recovery

How about Australia?
They have most in common with us - political system, human rights, population mostly white.
They have proper and effective lockdowns and travel restrictions.
Most would say Australia is an island, but almost all of their public health measures can also be done here and we would be much better off.