Toronto lockdown - Worlds longest

[TeeJay]

How about Australia?

Not quite the same but similar

basketcase was discussing a lockdown scenario where you would be ticketed for being a "few hundred metres" from your home
The most aggressive Aus ever had was 5KM (so "few thousand metres" would be far more accurate)

The biggest issue we have vs Aus is our reliance on the US for things like food
Those "essential workers" spread the virus everywhere

 

[idcloak]

The biggest issue we have vs Aus is our reliance on the US for things like food
Those "essential workers" spread the virus everywhere

We could have monitored them just like LTC workers - weekly Covid testing.
As those "essential workers" are a known group of people (unlike random travelers), close monitoring should be possible.

 

[lenny2]

Any deaths from such worldwide as a result of lockdowns will be miniscule compared to the tens of millions saved by lockdowns.

If such people had been allowed their usual screenings & such, even more health care workers would have died from covid19. Health care workers have suffered way more covid19 deaths than the general population.

Ideally speaking screenings & such should have been allowed to continue if health care workers could have been assured of being protected & hospitals assured of not being overwhelmed as a result.

Your math seems to be missing something here

If the covid flu is 99.3% recoverable by general population under 60 then the other illnesses (of which cardiovascular and cancer are the two biggest) will have FAR more long term damage as a result of lockdowns

US data of deaths in 2020, which i posted here before, rejects your theory.

A 99.3% recovery rate means almost 1 in 100 die. Taking that kind of chance with one's life is simply stupid.

Even WHO still shows cancer is (easily) leading cause of death world wide. On their own website they say screening reduces death rates between 30 to 50% !!!

Even if true, wouldn't that be screening over many years or decades of a single person's life, not in a brief period of a few months or a year such as during a pandemic.

Places like Canada will have issues due to lack of screening, but less developed countries are going to be ten times worse than us

I've seen no evidence of that. Besides it's up to those countries to weigh the cost-benefit tolls of varying options, such as allowing free movement & business as usual which would increase the already excessively high covid death rate of health care workers. Who is going to take care of anyone in need of anything, such as emergency procedures, if there are not enough health care workers available. I don't think TJ is qualified for the job.

I told you many times; we had a few short term gains (eg lack of car accidents, lack of homicides) that caused Canadian death rates to remain fairly flat but the overall life expectancy is going to take a big hit due to these lockdowns as sitting home for months at a time, not engaging in regular health checkups, not exercising properly (many viewed exercise as a loophole or were too afraid to go outside)

Actually lockdowns have given people more time & opportunity for things like exercise (as opposed to being at a desk job all day), family time, recreation, relaxation, freedom from that 4 letter word "work", doing whatever the hell they want, having sex, etc. [Sexercise is an excellent form of exercise, BTW.] All good for the heart too.

Stuff like cardiovascular diesease and cancer do not "go away" because you stay home, in most cases they get worse
I still think mental health crisis is on the way; let's watch how the last 2 years of high school and university kids do post pandemic

Cancer

WHO fact sheet on cancer providing information on the health burden of different types of cancer, causes, risk factors, prevention, early diagnosis, treatment, palliative care, and WHO's work in this area.

www.who.int

Suicides were down last year.

 

[squeezer]

Come on squeezer. What do you gotta say about this. None of the projections were accurate. In fact they were way off.

I normally charge a pretty penny for consultation sessions. Do you have paypal because unlike Rebel Fake News PayPal has not yanked my account.

As for the projections, normal thinking common sense individuals realize the projections are based on doing your type of stupidity by opening everything up and going on with life as if a pandemic doesn't exist. Dougy listened somewhat to the professionals and amazingly numbers have gone down as it should.

Where should I send the invoice and to which name, SeagerDUHBuzz or TeeDUHjay?

 

[basketcase]

Not really since most of the communist states have very little in common with us
Low covid counts and quick recovery

You consider Australia and New Zealand communist? Interesting.

 

[seagerbuzz]

I normally charge a pretty penny for consultation sessions. Do you have paypal because unlike Rebel Fake News PayPal has not yanked my account.

As for the projections, normal thinking common sense individuals realize the projections are based on doing your type of stupidity by opening everything up and going on with life as if a pandemic doesn't exist. Dougy listened somewhat to the professionals and amazingly numbers have gone down as it should.

Where should I send the invoice and to which name, SeagerDUHBuzz or TeeDUHjay?

The cases were never that high before the lockdown so they were never gonna get much worse.

 

[idcloak]

The cases were never that high before the lockdown so they were never gonna get much worse.

Did you live in the cave? Were you not aware that ICUs were close to being overwhelmed?
We were literally a few cases away of enacting the ICU triage protocol!

 

[lenny2]

"ICU triage protocol could be days away, warns nurses' association"

"Antonella Artuso
Publishing date:
Apr 20, 2021 • April 20, 2021 "

"...“I have already heard directly from nurses that blame themselves because a patient died, ‘because if I could have been more with the patient maybe I would have saved him.’ Just picture when this becomes worse and worse and worse.”

An intensive care triage protocol — a guide for health-care professionals trying to decide which patients can access an ICU bed in a shortage — could be in effect as early as this weekend, Grinspun cautioned.

ICU triage protocol could be days away, warns nurses' association

Hospitals are doubling and tripling the usual number of patients handled by intensive care nurses.

torontosun.com

 

[squeezer]

The cases were never that high before the lockdown so they were never gonna get much worse.

DUH, UH, take a look at the numbers today and ask yourself after you unclog the shit clogging up your thinking matter if lockdowns played a role in lowering the numbers along with pumping jabs in the arm, something else the dumbasses rail against!

 

[james t kirk]

I blame one guy.

Justin Trudeau.

He completely dropped the ball on vaccine procurement. He should have taken strong measures at the get go to be able to produce vaccine domestically. Instead he figured he could just purchase it from the Americans and the Europeans. Well, they told him to fuck right off didn't they.

Justin is an incompetent moron.

 

[shack]

He should have taken strong measures at the get go to be able to produce vaccine domestically.

Before production, the vaccine has to be developed, studied and tested and approved.

So with no existing production facilities (like the US and UK already had), what time frame is realistic for research, development, testing, Health Canada approval and then production and distribution?

 

[idcloak]

I blame one guy.
Justin Trudeau.
He completely dropped the ball on vaccine procurement. He should have taken strong measures at the get go to be able to produce vaccine domestically. Instead he figured he could just purchase it from the Americans and the Europeans. Well, they told him to fuck right off didn't they.

I blame JT for the poor public health measures, the laughable "travel restrictions", and poorly implemented quarantine hotels.

But as far as vaccine is concerned, I actually think Canada did quite well.
The lack of domestic manufacturing is something inherited by the current government and leader, and not something that can be fixed overnight, or even one or two years.
Canada's vaccines pre-orders per capital is number one in the world, and they placed the right bet in some vaccines (not an easy task in summer 2020) - we were the first to sign with Moderna, and the 4th country to sign with Pfizer. Of course, some bets was wrong like GSK/Sanofi - who would have thought one of the largest vaccine producer in the world would have messed up their trials so badly.

The initial hiccup was not something anyone can change, and once we have the supplies, we are progressing very well.
I don't think any other leaders or any other government could have done any better as far as vaccine supplies is concerned.

 

[basketcase]

I blame JT for the poor public health measures,...

I agree. We're talking about JT kirk right?

 

[shack]

Before production, the vaccine has to be developed, studied and tested and approved.

So with no existing production facilities (like the US and UK already had), what time frame is realistic for research, development, testing, Health Canada approval and then production and distribution?

Haven't heard a number from JTK. He's usually pretty good at knowing the practicalities of physical projects. Maybe the actual number would not be a good one for furthering the demonizing of JT. It has to be at least a year and a half, which takes us to right now.