Toronto Humane Society

blackrock13

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Hate to tell you this but animals are more valuable than people. We have long since stopped serving a useful purpose on this planet. We are not apex predators nor are we a valuable food source. Not "peta" bullshit just fact, if humans were to disappear the planet would actually benefit! Remember in the end you are nothing more than fertilizer......!
Cheerful, aren't we!!!!

BTW, we are the apex predator. The list of animals whose only threat is man is incredibly long. Why do you think this is not the case? As far as being a food source, we are an easy kill for those animals that find this out. We're relatively slow and weak.

As for the taste of human meat, I can't say for sure, but modern man might be quite tender because of lack of exercise or hard work, especially in the more developed nations, a reasonable amount of fat for basting but not too much marbling. The special special organs might be high in chemicals, but edible.

As far as the planet benefitting from our demise, perhaps a culling of 2 or 3 million might help, but to vanish, nah!
 

danmand

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BTW, we are the apex predator. The list of animals whose only threat is man is incredibly long. Why do you think this is not the case? As far as being a food source, we are an easy kill for those animals that find this out. We're relatively slow and weak.

As for the taste of human meat, I can't say for sure, but modern man might be quite tender because of lack of exercise or hard work, especially in the more developed nations, a reasonable amount of fat for basting but not too much marbling. The special special organs might be high in chemicals, but edible.
There is an interesting theory, that the reason humans were able to survive
in the time of sabertooth tigers etc etc, is because we taste aweful.
 

Sammy the Bull

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If all this in The Star article is true, then cops were right to arrest these guys: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/tor...e-society-it-seems-like-house-of-horrors?bn=1

A mummified cat...WTF??!! :confused:

An inside look at the Toronto Humane Society revealed a place where neglected animals lived and died in terrible pain and feral cats roamed free in the basement and between walls, one dying a slow death in a trap.

On Friday, a tip led investigators to pull panels from a ceiling on the second floor, where they discovered the body of the caged animal. Its skin stretched thin over frail bones. Its organs turned to thick dust, the remains of a feast for maggots.

"It sent chills down my spine," said Kevin Strooband, lead investigator from the Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

"I don't know what is going on here, but it seems like a house of horrors."

The cat was sealed in a live trap, the door closing after it was lured by food, above a high-traffic area. Its weakening cries would have mixed with the chorus of animals below.

The facility has been described by former employees as a place of unimaginable suffering, where the weak were stacked in overcrowded disease-ridden conditions and left to die in terrible pain.

Since the OSPCA raided the building Thursday, five animals – a puppy, a dog, two cats and a raccoon – have been euthanized.

"I have seen things that have made me cry and haunted my dreams in that building," said Marcie Laking, a former animal-care worker who has spoken out numerous times against the society.

Laking started working at the society as a volunteer in 2001, and became a staff member in 2005. By 2006, what she had seen in the building had taken its toll.

"I remember taking dead animals when my shifts would start, and dead kittens," said Laking. "These animals are dying painful deaths – from ailments that are not being treated, are not being treated properly or can't be treated – and they are dying in their cages."

The body of the mummified cat was put on display Friday during a guided media tour of the facility. Strooband led groups of journalists and television crews through the area of the building used to house about 1,000 cats.

In a back room, veterinarian Johanna MacNaughton discussed the conditions of four of the animals being treated.

"None of these cats were on any pain medication," said MacNaughton, as she held out a female whose eye ulceration was ignored to the point where it had prolapsed.

"She was not on any pain medication at all. With proper care and treatment, it wouldn't have reached the severity it had reached."

MacNaughton worked for the Toronto Humane Society from August 2008 until she resigned in April. She was surprised a cat was left to die in the ceiling.

But feral cats ran loose in all corners of the building, including the basement, she told the Star.

"It is a known fact there are ferals in the ceilings, there are feral cats all through the shelter."

She would not comment on what she saw while working at the shelter because of legal reasons but said she resigned because of management overriding veterinary decisions and extreme understaffing.

After Thursday's raid, she returned to help treat the remaining animals. Some of them had not been treated by veterinarians in months, she said.

"It is pretty deplorable."

MacNaughton said 20 per cent of the cats she examined in the adoption area of the facility – where cats are supposed to be healthy – were suffering from respiratory disease and "should have been isolated."

There were so many animals, there was no way to properly isolate the animals, or arrange for the mass cleaning of cages, she said.

Among her complaints was the hiring of staff without proper medical knowledge.

"They were hiring untrained staff and throwing them into positions that require knowledge of drugs and dosing," said MacNaughton. "Nobody should be taking on those roles unless they are appropriately trained."

She had nothing but high praise for staff taking care of the animals, and said she has faith the Toronto Humane Society can rebuild.

Right now, staffers are "just trying to get on top of years of understaffing," she said. "It is going to take so much time to dig ourselves out."
 

tboy

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I read about these problems a while ago and one staffer stated that a lot of the problems were caused by the written policy NOT to euthanize any animal. This caused the backlog of the sick and when you can't get rid of the unsavable, a backlog ensues.

As painful as it is to say, there are just too many unwanted animals to have a policy like that. Like a triage nurse has to in an ER: you have to work with the healthy, adoptable animals and treat them well as opposed to ALL animals. I mean, you could have 1 staff member be with a sick animal 24/7 to give it the humane treatment we'd all like to, or you can have 1 staff member properly tend to 20 animals in the same amount of time. Plus, add up the medical costs, you can care for 100 healthy animals for the cost of 1 really sick one. This is especially so for terminal cases.

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As for us being apex predators, the only reason we are is because of our ability to reason and our use of technology. Man is actually very frail when it comes to survival of the fitest. How long do you think we'd survive in Canada without a roof over our heads and insulated clothing? We wouldn't last a week in January yet a little bunny rabbit would do just fine.

Take away our tools and technology and we could be bested by just about any animal larger than a poodle. Then put two or more of them together and we're toast.
 

Aardvark154

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As for us being apex predators, the only reason we are is because of our ability to reason and our use of technology. Man is actually very frail when it comes to survival of the fitest.
Why on earth would you think that our ability to reason and our use of technology is not part of the survival of the fitest?
 

tboy

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Why on earth would you think that our ability to reason and our use of technology is not part of the survival of the fitest?
When I think of survival of the fittest, I think of a creature's physical ability to cope with their environment. In this case, wolves are better equipped than we are.

But even then, even with our reasoning ability are we "really" all that intelligent when it comes to survival? What other animal/creature on this planet pollutes the air they need to survive? The food they eat?....well, locusts come to mind...just about everything else lives in balance with everyone (sic) else......
 

Aardvark154

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Do you have the same concerns with the powers of Children Aid Societies to investigate and lay charges?
Yes, I do. It is bad enough when a Department of Child Welfare or of Health and Human Services abuse their power - but at least they are directly answerable to the Executive (elected) Authority. I'll admit it seldom happens but if the screw-up is bad enough the Premier or Governor can demand resignations (or in the case of Civil Service Workers at least suspension and an investigation).

Despite Lieutenant Governor in Council provisions if the Children's Aid Society or the OSPCA "screws the pooch" (but there is no criminal violation) I fail to see what actual power the Cabinet has to demand that heads roll.
 

blackrock13

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When I think of survival of the fittest, I think of a creature's physical ability to cope with their environment. In this case, wolves are better equipped than we are.

But even then, even with our reasoning ability are we "really" all that intelligent when it comes to survival? What other animal/creature on this planet pollutes the air they need to survive? The food they eat?....well, locusts come to mind...just about everything else lives in balance with everyone (sic) else......
Simply put, survival of the fittest is just he who survives wins. PERIOD! That's why the coyote can survive in so many places. He's not the biggest or baddest just smartest and most adaptable among most of the animals kingdom.
 

tboy

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Simply put, survival of the fittest is just he who survives wins. PERIOD! That's why the coyote can survive in so many places. He's not the biggest or baddest just smartest and most adaptable among most of the animals kingdom.
ok, then the fittest is the cockroach because they'll be here long after we're nothing but a memory..........that is, unless we fuck up this planet so bad not even cockroaches can survive.....
 
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