Top White House officials buried CDC coronavirus report

[doggystyle99]

The decision to shelve detailed advice from the nation’s top disease control experts for reopening communities during the coronavirus pandemic came from the highest levels of the White House, according to internal government emails obtained by The Associated Press.

The files also show that after the AP reported Thursday that the guidance document had been buried, the Trump administration ordered key parts of it to be fast-tracked for approval.

The trove of emails show the nation’s top public health experts at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention spending weeks working on guidance to help the country deal with a public health emergency, only to see their work quashed by political appointees with little explanation.

The document, titled Guidance for Implementing the Opening Up America Again Framework, was researched and written to help faith leaders, business owners, educators and state and local officials as they begin to reopen. It included detailed "decision trees," or flow charts aimed at helping local leaders navigate the difficult decision of whether to reopen or remain closed.

White House spokesperson Kayleigh McEnany said Friday that the documents had not been approved by CDC Director Robert Redfield. The new emails, however, show that Redfield cleared the guidance.

This new CDC guidance — a mix of advice already released along with newer information — had been approved and promoted by the highest levels of its leadership, including Redfield. Despite this, the administration shelved it on April 30.

https://apnews.com/9c4d5284ba4769d3b98aa05232201f88

 

[doggystyle99]

I keep saying states lifting their lockdowns in the USA has never been about the health and safety of people it's always been about the political beliefs, pressure and agenda.

 

[Valcazar]

I keep saying states lifting their lockdowns in the USA has never been about the health and safety of people it's always been about the political beliefs, pressure and agenda.

It is the same thing here with Ontario and Quebec. The main difference is that while they want to open because of their pro-business leanings, neither Ford or Legault is actually crazy and so they respond to push back from the medical people with the numbers.

 

[doggystyle99]

It is the same thing here with Ontario and Quebec. The main difference is that while they want to open because of their pro-business leanings, neither Ford or Legault is actually crazy and so they respond to push back from the medical people with the numbers.

I do agree.

 

[netsurfer]

Am I the only one thinking this?

Trump really doesn't care how many Americans die. He just wants his hotels and golf clubs open for business.

 

[bebe]

Am I the only one thinking this?

Trump really doesn't care how many Americans die. He just wants his hotels and golf clubs open for business.

Most people don't care how many will die. 80% or more that have died would have died soon anyways. We killed the economy to save a small number of people.

If people cared economies around the World would not be reopening but they are.

 

[Smallcock]

Am I the only one thinking this?

Trump really doesn't care how many Americans die. He just wants his hotels and golf clubs open for business.

No he's way past that. He doesn't want his presidential legacy tarnished by a failed economy, and that's why he wants to re-open. He cares about the lives like any normal human being, but he also understands that when weighing the costs and benefits, opening the economy is the obvious solution.

 

[Polaris]

Apr 7, 2020

Navarro memos warning of mass coronavirus death circulated in January

Jonathan Swan, Margaret Talev

https://www.axios.com/exclusive-nav...ary-da3f08fb-dce1-4f69-89b5-ea048f8382a9.html

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It's old news.

They knew. They just covering their asses now.

What is interesting, is not they don't care, the people mostly don't care.

Your mind? Turn that damn thing off already!

:yield:

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

Most people don't care how many will die..

Source please. Oh I know, let's take a terb poll.

Once again you take your point of view and assume wrongly that most people feel that way too. You still don't realize you're part of the lunatic fringe. I guess members of the lunatic fringe don't realize they're members of the lunatic fringe.

 

[bebe]

Source please. Oh I know, let's take a terb poll.

Once again you take your point of view and assume wrongly that most people feel that way too. You still don't realize you're part of the lunatic fringe. I guess members of the lunatic fringe don't realize they're members of the lunatic fringe.

Below article shows that the death rate for the past few months has not changed. People die every single day that is a simple fact of life. More people will die going forward, it cannot be stopped. Since the dawn of time people have died, the world did not stop spinning.

The lunatics are the ones that think this lockdown was a worth it all costs to save a small handful of people. The stats shows that those who have died would have died in the near future if C19 did not strike them down. In a few years time, tons of articles will be written about the futility/effectiveness of the lockdown. It will be interesting to read those reports.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...-spike-in-first-months-of-covid-19-data-show/

Between January and March, 87,186 people died across the country, according to the report. Just three provinces registered more deaths than for the same period in 2019: Alberta (374 more deaths), the Northwest Territories (5) and Prince Edward Island (2).

Second, ask Trump if he cares about the death toll. LOL

 

[doggystyle99]

First article shows that the death rate for the past few months has not changed. People die every single day that is a simple fact of life. More people will die going forward, it cannot be stopped. Since the dawn of time people have died, the world did not stop spinning.

The lunatics are the ones that think this lockdown was a worth it all costs to save a small handful of people. The stats shows that those who have died would have died in the near future if C19 did not strike them down.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...-spike-in-first-months-of-covid-19-data-show/

Between January and March, 87,186 people died across the country, according to the report. Just three provinces registered more deaths than for the same period in 2019: Alberta (374 more deaths), the Northwest Territories (5) and Prince Edward Island (2).

Second, ask Trump if he cares about the death toll. LOL

It amazes me what you post, absolutely no critical thinking at all, I highly doubt you even read the full article?
Here are some important points of the article.

"As excess death figures are used around the world to suggest COVID-19 death tolls may be worse than official tallies show, the limited information available in Canada suggests that may not be the case here – or at least was not during the early days of the pandemic."

"The agency found that between Jan. 1 and March 31, the eight provinces and one territory included in the data actually saw 1,145 fewer deaths than expected."
The excess death number was found to be negative in almost every week of the quarter. The only exceptions were one week in late January and the final week of March."


BTW the article excluded Ontario's data/excess death numbers for that period Jan 1 - March 31

Now here are some important facts not included in the article.

As of the last day that the data was used to calculate the excess number of deaths March 31 2020, Canada only had 101 deaths attributed to the Coronavirus.
As of yesterday May 12 2020 the total number of deaths attributed to the Coronavirus is 5169

The second quarter excess number of deaths will be quite different if you have your critical thinking cap on. There are also already numerous reports pointing that worldwide there is an excess number of deaths and could be as high as 60%

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-Far-Higher-Than-Reported-C-D-C-Data-Suggests

 

[doggystyle99]

Most people don't care how many will die. 80% or more that have died would have died soon anyways. We killed the economy to save a small number of people.

If people cared economies around the World would not be reopening but they are.

Most people do care how many people die. The loud, irrational and ignorant few certainly don't and couldn't care any less for others health.

 

[bebe]

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-Far-Higher-Than-Reported-C-D-C-Data-Suggests

Oh, back to that stupid thread. Yeah OK, whatever.

Regardless of what side of the fence you sit on, the true numbers will not be known for years. It will take years for the statisticians to shift through the data.

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

Below article shows that the death rate for the past few months has not changed. People die every single day that is a simple fact of life. More people will die going forward, it cannot be stopped. Since the dawn of time people have died, the world did not stop spinning.

The lunatics are the ones that think this lockdown was a worth it all costs to save a small handful of people. The stats shows that those who have died would have died in the near future if C19 did not strike them down. In a few years time, tons of articles will be written about the futility/effectiveness of the lockdown. It will be interesting to read those reports.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...-spike-in-first-months-of-covid-19-data-show/

Between January and March, 87,186 people died across the country, according to the report. Just three provinces registered more deaths than for the same period in 2019: Alberta (374 more deaths), the Northwest Territories (5) and Prince Edward Island (2).

Second, ask Trump if he cares about the death toll. LOL

I'd still like your source from the statement, "most people don't care how many will die". I know Trump doesn't but he's a card carrying member of the lunatic fringe.

 

[bebe]

I'd still like your source from the statement, "most people don't care how many will die". I know Trump doesn't but he's a card carrying member of the lunatic fringe.

No longer banned?

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

No longer banned?

It was a short one. Where's that source about most people don't care how many will die, again?

 

[bebe]

It was a short one. Where's that source about most people don't care how many will die, again?

Post your source showing that people do care. Doubt you will find anything unless it comes from CNN, say from the likes of Wolf Blitzer.

When this is over you can lead the charge to construct monuments all over the world to commemorate the lives lost due to covid 19...similar to the Vietnam Wall or the 9/11 Memorial, maybe then I will change my opinion.

Everyone knows the World shut down is not financially sustainable and life needs to resume some sense of normalcy. The stats already show us those that have died, upwards of 80%, where close to the end of their life, whether from cancer, stoke, other pre existing medical conditions etc. Only their immediate families have any interests in these deaths.

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

In all the people I've spoken to in real life, everybody cares about human life. I associate with decent, nice, empathetic people. I've never heard anyone say they don't care how many people die. I think, and call me naive but I think you'd be wrong, that most people in Canada are genuinely compassionate, well-adjusted and wired to care. You can see how those small minority/lunatic fringers such as yourself and the wing-nuts at the protests are just "off". There's something not quite right upstairs. I feel sorry for you/them. Living a life without compassion isn't much of a life. Did your grandparents mistreat you when you were younger, out of curiosity?

 

[bebe]

In all the people I've spoken to in real life, everybody cares about human life. I associate with decent, nice, empathetic people. I've never heard anyone say they don't care how many people die. I think, and call me naive but I think you'd be wrong, that most people in Canada are genuinely compassionate, well-adjusted and wired to care. You can see how those small minority/lunatic fringers such as yourself and the wing-nuts at the protests are just "off". There's something not quite right upstairs. I feel sorry for you/them. Living a life without compassion isn't much of a life. Did your grandparents mistreat you when you were younger, out of curiosity?

No issues with my grandparents, or my parents. i wrote a post about my grandmother on a different thread a few months ago, which is related to this virus.

Sorry, but I am not going to cry for the world because people died. People die every day, been happening since the start of time, it will happen to all of us and to all those that come after us. That's life.

The lunatics are the ones who insist the world needs to come to a stand still to treat a virus that in all likely hood cannot be cured with a vaccine. Seems like the only defence you have once the virus gets in is your immune system.

 

[doggystyle99]

Am I the only one thinking this?

Trump really doesn't care how many Americans die. He just wants his hotels and golf clubs open for business.

The hospitality industry is one of the worst hit industries and will be so for the next while, Trump and one of biggest financiers Sheldon Adelson are both in the hospitality industry, there is no doubt in my mind that he wants businesses to open for this very reason and yes he doesn't care nor does he even understands anything regarding the Coronavirus otherwise he wouldn't talk about injecting disinfectants.