Top 10 Signs of the Impending U.S. Police State
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You can watch the whole Terror Storm video here for free.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7516705476148472744&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7516705476148472744&hl=en
Congress Poised to Unravel the Internet
August 18, 2006
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060828/internet_bill
Lured by huge checks handed out by the country's top lobbyists, members of Congress could soon strike a blow against Internet freedom as they seek to resolve the hot-button controversy over preserving "network neutrality." The telecommunications reform bill now moving through Congress threatens to be a major setback for those who hope that digital media can foster a more democratic society. The bill not only precludes net neutrality safeguards but also eliminates local community oversight of digital communications provided by cable and phone giants. It sets the stage for the privatized, consolidated and unregulated communications system that is at the core of the phone and cable lobbies' political agenda.
August 18, 2006
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060828/internet_bill
Lured by huge checks handed out by the country's top lobbyists, members of Congress could soon strike a blow against Internet freedom as they seek to resolve the hot-button controversy over preserving "network neutrality." The telecommunications reform bill now moving through Congress threatens to be a major setback for those who hope that digital media can foster a more democratic society. The bill not only precludes net neutrality safeguards but also eliminates local community oversight of digital communications provided by cable and phone giants. It sets the stage for the privatized, consolidated and unregulated communications system that is at the core of the phone and cable lobbies' political agenda.
You must be joking. Are you saying that Fox news has a pro-Bush stance, therefore the 'media' is not liberal? Is it your contention that Fox News is the only media? I guess CNN, NBC, CBS (Dan Rather's old stomping grounds),ABC, The NY TImes, LA Times, Washington Post, etc, etc. are not media?Carcharias said:
Basing your conclusion pertaining to all "media" on one network is nonsense.
How to Brainwash a Nation
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3081752751625862941&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3081752751625862941&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=en
How to Replace Logic with Rhetoric
Why not just take a tranquillizer, and be done with it?
MW
A perfect example of "debate," contemporary-style: find the excuses that satisfy you that you do not need to address the problem, and you're done.frasier said:
Why not just take a tranquillizer, and be done with it?
MW
If the US is used as a meassuring stick for the "police state". Then the rest of the world lives in absolute dictatorship.maxweber said:
His post, and yours, are proof that you guys don't have the slightest idea on what it means to live in a police state.
Like most North Americans you are completely ignorant on that subject.
Congressman Ron Paul
U.S. House of Representatives
Is America a Police State?
...
But, Mr. Speaker, my subject today is whether America is a police state. I'm sure the large majority of Americans would answer this in the negative. Most would associate military patrols, martial law and summary executions with a police state, something obviously not present in our everyday activities. However, those with knowledge of Ruby Ridge, Mount Carmel and other such incidents may have a different opinion.
The principal tool for sustaining a police state, even the most militant, is always economic control and punishment by denying disobedient citizens such things as jobs or places to live, and by levying fines and imprisonment. The military is more often used in the transition phase to a totalitarian state. Maintenance for long periods is usually accomplished through economic controls on commercial transactions, the use of all property, and political dissent. Peaceful control through these efforts can be achieved without storm troopers on our street corners.
Terror and fear are used to achieve complacency and obedience, especially when citizens are deluded into believing they are still a free people. The changes, they are assured, will be minimal, short-lived, and necessary, such as those that occur in times of a declared war. Under these conditions, most citizens believe that once the war is won, the restrictions on their liberties will be reversed. For the most part, however, after a declared war is over, the return to normalcy is never complete. In an undeclared war, without a precise enemy and therefore no precise ending, returning to normalcy can prove illusory.
We have just concluded a century of wars, declared and undeclared, while at the same time responding to public outcries for more economic equity. The question, as a result of these policies, is: "Are we already living in a police state?" If we are, what are we going to do about it? If we are not, we need to know if there's any danger that we're moving in that direction.
Most police states, surprisingly, come about through the democratic process with majority support. During a crisis, the rights of individuals and the minority are more easily trampled, which is more likely to condition a nation to become a police state than a military coup. Promised benefits initially seem to exceed the cost in dollars or lost freedom. When people face terrorism or great fear- from whatever source- the tendency to demand economic and physical security over liberty and self-reliance proves irresistible. The masses are easily led to believe that security and liberty are mutually exclusive, and demand for security far exceeds that for liberty.
Once it's discovered that the desire for both economic and physical security that prompted the sacrifice of liberty inevitably led to the loss of prosperity and no real safety, it's too late. Reversing the trend from authoritarian rule toward a freer society becomes very difficult, takes a long time, and entails much suffering. Although dissolution of the Soviet empire was relatively non-violent at the end, millions suffered from police suppression and economic deprivation in the decades prior to 1989.
But what about here in the United States? With respect to a police state, where are we and where are we going?
Let me make a few observations:
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr062702.htm
U.S. House of Representatives
Is America a Police State?
...
But, Mr. Speaker, my subject today is whether America is a police state. I'm sure the large majority of Americans would answer this in the negative. Most would associate military patrols, martial law and summary executions with a police state, something obviously not present in our everyday activities. However, those with knowledge of Ruby Ridge, Mount Carmel and other such incidents may have a different opinion.
The principal tool for sustaining a police state, even the most militant, is always economic control and punishment by denying disobedient citizens such things as jobs or places to live, and by levying fines and imprisonment. The military is more often used in the transition phase to a totalitarian state. Maintenance for long periods is usually accomplished through economic controls on commercial transactions, the use of all property, and political dissent. Peaceful control through these efforts can be achieved without storm troopers on our street corners.
Terror and fear are used to achieve complacency and obedience, especially when citizens are deluded into believing they are still a free people. The changes, they are assured, will be minimal, short-lived, and necessary, such as those that occur in times of a declared war. Under these conditions, most citizens believe that once the war is won, the restrictions on their liberties will be reversed. For the most part, however, after a declared war is over, the return to normalcy is never complete. In an undeclared war, without a precise enemy and therefore no precise ending, returning to normalcy can prove illusory.
We have just concluded a century of wars, declared and undeclared, while at the same time responding to public outcries for more economic equity. The question, as a result of these policies, is: "Are we already living in a police state?" If we are, what are we going to do about it? If we are not, we need to know if there's any danger that we're moving in that direction.
Most police states, surprisingly, come about through the democratic process with majority support. During a crisis, the rights of individuals and the minority are more easily trampled, which is more likely to condition a nation to become a police state than a military coup. Promised benefits initially seem to exceed the cost in dollars or lost freedom. When people face terrorism or great fear- from whatever source- the tendency to demand economic and physical security over liberty and self-reliance proves irresistible. The masses are easily led to believe that security and liberty are mutually exclusive, and demand for security far exceeds that for liberty.
Once it's discovered that the desire for both economic and physical security that prompted the sacrifice of liberty inevitably led to the loss of prosperity and no real safety, it's too late. Reversing the trend from authoritarian rule toward a freer society becomes very difficult, takes a long time, and entails much suffering. Although dissolution of the Soviet empire was relatively non-violent at the end, millions suffered from police suppression and economic deprivation in the decades prior to 1989.
But what about here in the United States? With respect to a police state, where are we and where are we going?
Let me make a few observations:
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr062702.htm
False Flag Operations: Declassified Military Documents Show How US Government Planned Terrorist Attacks Against its Own Citizens
Thu Sep 7, 3:00 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/prweb/20060907/bs_prweb/prweb434292_2
Thu Sep 7, 3:00 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/prweb/20060907/bs_prweb/prweb434292_2
Ohio Attorney Jailed Again For 16 Days In Nazi-Like Fashion Without Charges Being
Attorney Elsebeth Baumgartner still sits in an Erie County jail in Ohio and is being treated like a political prisoner locked away in a gulag without her constitutional rights even being recognized.
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/7-Sept-2006.html
Attorney Elsebeth Baumgartner still sits in an Erie County jail in Ohio and is being treated like a political prisoner locked away in a gulag without her constitutional rights even being recognized.
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/7-Sept-2006.html
scroll99 said:
That is the same site, that posted this??
Somebody was watching to much "Tomb Raider".
Like I said in an earlier post. The good news is that the net is free, the bad news is..any Tom Dick and Harry can post whatever they want.
Beware of pseudo news.
Case In Point
http://www.strike-the-root.com/columns/Miles/miles11.html
http://www.planetfriendly.net/police.html#intro
http://www.orwelltoday.com/policestate.shtml
I am sure you and I can agree, that Canada is far from being a police state...just because somebody posts it, doesn't make it true.
http://www.strike-the-root.com/columns/Miles/miles11.html
http://www.planetfriendly.net/police.html#intro
http://www.orwelltoday.com/policestate.shtml
I am sure you and I can agree, that Canada is far from being a police state...just because somebody posts it, doesn't make it true.
The hatred for him is incosequential...he will be gone in two years and be harmless in the meantime.DonQuixote said:
You guys are wasting your energy. That's the genius of the American system.
Reporter Greg Palast faces Homeland Security charges
by A Peaceful Warrior
Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 10:06:52 PM PDT
With so much attention focused on George W. Bush's "Freedom Agenda" oversees in Iraq, Afghanistan, secret CIA torture prisons, and the like, I'd like to direct your attention to the Freedom Agenda here in what used to be known, until 2000, as the United States of America.
We all know Greg Palast as one of the last of an endangered species in this country - the investigative journalist. He has reported on everything from shady big business dealings to electoral shenanigans that have clouded the last several national US elections, and if the current reincarnation of Richard Nixon squatting in our White House has his way, Greg might be in big trouble...
Join me.
A Peaceful Warrior's diary :: ::
Writing for Greg's website, Zach Roberts reports that Palast is under criminal investigation by the Department of Homeland Security for filming a site owned by Exxon Mobil for a Hurricane Katrina documentary.
http://www.gregpalast.com/...
Yes, the rumor's true. Greg Palast is facing a criminal complaint from the Department of Homeland Security stemming from his filming the Hurricane Katrina investigation for Link TV and Democracy Now. The film's producer, Matt Pascarella, is also facing the legal wrath of Big Brother.
It appears the complaint is about filming a sensitive national security site owned by Exxon petroleum. It seems that photographing major Bush donors is now a federal offense.
Reached at an undisclosed location, Palast says, "Let's not get over-excited. They haven't measured us for our orange suits yet."
During questioning by Homeland Security, Palast asked, "Hey, aren't you supposed to be looking for Osama? Or for guys with exploding shoes? ... We're journalists." At Palast's request, Homeland Security confirmed that Louisiana is, indeed, still part of the USA but did not respond when asked if the First Amendment applies there.
Exxon-Mobil now apparently has DHS protection.
Taking a quick glance at history and the state of our own Republic, this is, in my view, another textbook example of authoritarianism in collusion with corporatism bound in a determined pact to destroy liberty in the name of advancing it.
We must be ever vigilant for
the investigative journalist !!!
by A Peaceful Warrior
Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 10:06:52 PM PDT
With so much attention focused on George W. Bush's "Freedom Agenda" oversees in Iraq, Afghanistan, secret CIA torture prisons, and the like, I'd like to direct your attention to the Freedom Agenda here in what used to be known, until 2000, as the United States of America.
We all know Greg Palast as one of the last of an endangered species in this country - the investigative journalist. He has reported on everything from shady big business dealings to electoral shenanigans that have clouded the last several national US elections, and if the current reincarnation of Richard Nixon squatting in our White House has his way, Greg might be in big trouble...
Join me.
A Peaceful Warrior's diary :: ::
Writing for Greg's website, Zach Roberts reports that Palast is under criminal investigation by the Department of Homeland Security for filming a site owned by Exxon Mobil for a Hurricane Katrina documentary.
http://www.gregpalast.com/...
Yes, the rumor's true. Greg Palast is facing a criminal complaint from the Department of Homeland Security stemming from his filming the Hurricane Katrina investigation for Link TV and Democracy Now. The film's producer, Matt Pascarella, is also facing the legal wrath of Big Brother.
It appears the complaint is about filming a sensitive national security site owned by Exxon petroleum. It seems that photographing major Bush donors is now a federal offense.
Reached at an undisclosed location, Palast says, "Let's not get over-excited. They haven't measured us for our orange suits yet."
During questioning by Homeland Security, Palast asked, "Hey, aren't you supposed to be looking for Osama? Or for guys with exploding shoes? ... We're journalists." At Palast's request, Homeland Security confirmed that Louisiana is, indeed, still part of the USA but did not respond when asked if the First Amendment applies there.
Exxon-Mobil now apparently has DHS protection.
Taking a quick glance at history and the state of our own Republic, this is, in my view, another textbook example of authoritarianism in collusion with corporatism bound in a determined pact to destroy liberty in the name of advancing it.
We must be ever vigilant for
the investigative journalist !!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsebeth_Baumgartnerfrasier said:
Criticisms of Dr. Baumgartner's Treatment
A number of critics of the actions taken against Dr. Baumgartner by the Ohio judiciary contend that she is being made a political prisoner in order to silence her and punish her for speaking out on government corruption by the very parties accused of corruption as a means to protect themselves from the legitimate consequences of their crimes and to make an example out of her by creating a chilling effect to intimidate others from speaking out against their corruption.
These critics note that she has already been jailed for peaceful political speech and that the Ohio government is currently attempting to imprison her for a total of 109 years for peaceful political speech.
109 Years in Prison Sought for Peaceful Speech in America: The Dr. Elsebeth Baumgartner Case
http://www.knowledgedrivenrevolution.com/Articles/200604/20060403_US_109_Years_For_Speech.htm
Judicial Tyranny Continues In Ohio Free Speech Case
http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/100105JudicialTyranny.html
I believe it is not just the government acting alone to supress disenting opinions that create a police state. There can be be one portion of the popolus with: power, majority of population or the will and determination to supress disenting opinions.
Have you ever driven through the States and listen to AM talk radio. The home of the Rush Limbaughs of the US. I did during the election when they ranted on about Kerry being a flipper, during the December period after 911 where there were fears that terorists had infiltrated from Canada and another time when they were vilifying a few young men of arab appearance who joked about being terorists in front of an old lady "eyeballling" them for the crime of being dark and oily. The lady subsequently turned them in and they lost their admission to a college they were driving to. This the people on the radio figured was somewhat leniant but just.
This is the type of tyranny that while imposed by memebers of the public is encouraged by the government so that they can whip up public support for themselves. That I believe is the slippery slope to a police state. Things like the patriot act, secret prisons, tapping peoples phones without warrants and reinterprating agreements to allow for arming vessels on the Great Lakes make me believe that the US is teatering on the edge.
What scares me is as the US loses economic power and perceived moral high ground in the eyes of the world for a myraid of reasons. One being the huge cost in money and prestige of the Iraq war. A portion of the US populance will support people who are willing to move the US towards a police state because these people will tell them that this is how the US will regain their economic might and international prestige.
People in the US are giving up their liberty because they are being that giving up their liberty is how they gain security. Forgetting that one of the fathers of the country once said:
Have you ever driven through the States and listen to AM talk radio. The home of the Rush Limbaughs of the US. I did during the election when they ranted on about Kerry being a flipper, during the December period after 911 where there were fears that terorists had infiltrated from Canada and another time when they were vilifying a few young men of arab appearance who joked about being terorists in front of an old lady "eyeballling" them for the crime of being dark and oily. The lady subsequently turned them in and they lost their admission to a college they were driving to. This the people on the radio figured was somewhat leniant but just.
This is the type of tyranny that while imposed by memebers of the public is encouraged by the government so that they can whip up public support for themselves. That I believe is the slippery slope to a police state. Things like the patriot act, secret prisons, tapping peoples phones without warrants and reinterprating agreements to allow for arming vessels on the Great Lakes make me believe that the US is teatering on the edge.
What scares me is as the US loses economic power and perceived moral high ground in the eyes of the world for a myraid of reasons. One being the huge cost in money and prestige of the Iraq war. A portion of the US populance will support people who are willing to move the US towards a police state because these people will tell them that this is how the US will regain their economic might and international prestige.
People in the US are giving up their liberty because they are being that giving up their liberty is how they gain security. Forgetting that one of the fathers of the country once said:
PS that Benjamin Franklin.
scroll99 said:
From you own source:
Again..just because it is written somewhere, doesn't make it true..
