Too Late for Vax

[TeeJay]

One of the more interesting threads someone else had posted (a #FakeNews story about a Covid nurse) but it did have an interesting point

We assume vast majority of those walking around are already Covid positive and asymptomatic
So
How exactly does the vaccine work then? As the Covid nurse claims, once you are infected it is "too late" to be vaxxed

What percentage of the vaxxed were actually asymptomatic when they got their jabs?
Could this be why we keep hearing about old people dying after vaccinations?


ON Public Health shows 30 deaths in fully vaccinated individuals
ON Public Health says 53.1% of Covid positive infections happened less than 14 days after they were jabbed (in other words already sick before they got jabbed)
ON Public Health shows only 4.8% happened more than 14 days after second dose

And of course
Highest breakthrough case counts are (obviously) in the 80+ demographic (surprise surprise, the oldest who were most susceptible to Covid also have the worst results from the vaccine in terms of efficiency)

 

[Valcazar]

We assume vast majority of those walking around are already Covid positive and asymptomatic

Why do you assume that?

So How exactly does the vaccine work then?

Do you honestly not know how vaccines work?

What percentage of the vaxxed were actually asymptomatic when they got their jabs?
Could this be why we keep hearing about old people dying after vaccinations?

Almost certainly not, but what you are actually asking is unclear?
What do you think happens when someone with active asymptomatic COVID receives the vaccine?

ON Public Health shows 30 deaths in fully vaccinated individuals
ON Public Health says 53.1% of Covid positive infections happened less than 14 days after they were jabbed (in other words already sick before they got jabbed)
ON Public Health shows only 4.8% happened more than 14 days after second dose

Yes, people who were already infected before they got the vaccine would not benefit from the protection of the vaccine.

And of course
Highest breakthrough case counts are (obviously) in the 80+ demographic (surprise surprise, the oldest who were most susceptible to Covid also have the worst results from the vaccine in terms of efficiency)

Yes. As expected.

Still not sure what kind of point you are trying to make?

What do you think is happening?

 

[TeeJay]

Still not sure what kind of point you are trying to make?

Based on the narrative that has been pushed by pro-vaxxers in reality it is already too late for most of the non-vaxxed anyways
And statistically it probably means many of those already vaxxed are NOT getting the immunity they signed up for

 

[Valcazar]

Based on the narrative that has been pushed by pro-vaxxers in reality it is already too late for most of the non-vaxxed anyways
And statistically it probably means many of those already vaxxed are NOT getting the immunity they signed up for

How do you reach either of these conclusions?
Why would it be too late for the non-vaxxed "based on the the narrative that has been pushed by pro-vaxxers"?
Are pro-vaccination people telling the unvaccinated it is too late?
What do you mean the already vaccinated aren't getting the immunity they signed up for, "statistically"?

What do you think is going on?
The closest I can determine to an argument here is that the vaccine kills people who have asymptomatic COVID but that's a pretty weird claim and I can't think it is actually your point.

 

[TeeJay]

How do you reach either of these conclusions?
Are pro-vaccination people telling the unvaccinated it is too late?

You dont pay attention man

The story posted multiple time on this board is that nurses and doctors telling people once they are infected its too late to be vaxxed

Even ON Public health shows more than half the vaxxed who got sick was within 14 days of being vaxxed (so were sick before they got vaxx and then vaxx did nothing)

 

[jcpro]

Fake news.

 

[Male4Strapon]

The story posted multiple time on this board is that nurses and doctors telling people once they are infected its too late to be vaxxed

That's not correct but I can see the confusuion. Some are practically begging for the vaccine after they have been hospitalized and doctors have told them it's too late....... for that particular instance/bout with covid. The vaccine isn't a cure that will heal their covid that they are currently suffering.
Assuming they make a full recovery they could absolutely get the vaccine if they want. Eligibility is not stripped from them.

 

[jalimon]

Even ON Public health shows more than half the vaxxed who got sick was within 14 days of being vaxxed (so were sick before they got vaxx and then vaxx did nothing)

You do not know how vaccine works.

A vaccine will 'teach' or 'train' your immune system to fight the virus. It takes a minimum of 7 days and up to 14 to fully take effect. And it takes 2 shot for the complete 'training' to be completed. With most probably annual booster shot in the future.

So yes once you get infected and end up in the hospital it's often too late to be vaccinated. Depending on your sickness level they might vaccinate you asap but most of the time you have to wait until you get better (hopefully if you do not die first).

 

[Valcazar]

What jailmon said.

Back in post #2 I asked: " Do you honestly not know how vaccines work? "

Now we know the answer is "No".

Your entire premise is flawed.

 

[masspref]

All Valcazar can ever do for the most part is answer a question with a question because he specifically lacks comprehension in so many threads. Sad to see, but entertaining nonetheless.

 

[Valcazar]

All Valcazar can ever do for the most part is answer a question with a question because he specifically lacks comprehension in so many threads. Sad to see, but entertaining nonetheless.

LOL.

I answer questions with questions because the Columbo method is usually the easiest way for people to reveal they haven't thought things through, or are bullshitting.
Especially when their questions are based on faulty premises, people tend to ask leading questions because they think the answer is obvious. (Or their implied answer is obvious.)
Asking about their premises forces them to not hide behind the "it's obvious" dodge and have to explain.

For instance, here it seemed obvious that TeeJay was misunderstanding either the epidemiology of the disease, how the vaccines worked, or both.

So I asked him to clarify what he actually thought was going on and what he meant.

He then revealed he didn't understand how the vaccines work. (I still think he doesn't understand the epidemiology, but that's less important at this point.)

It works quite well.
People who are actively bullshitting usually just move the goalposts around and then it doesn't work as well to get an answer but demonstrates they are bullshitting.

 

[ShockNAwww]

You dont pay attention man

The story posted multiple time on this board is that nurses and doctors telling people once they are infected its too late to be vaxxed

Even ON Public health shows more than half the vaxxed who got sick was within 14 days of being vaxxed (so were sick before they got vaxx and then vaxx did nothing)

Yes. It’s too late to get vaccinated when you’ve already been infected with Coronavirus. Is this a red herring for the conspiracy theory set?

…Similar to it being too late to wear a helmet after crashing head first into something that injures your unprotected, pre-injury brain.

Getting vaccinated and wearing a helmet are good steps to take after you have already been infected, or already sustained an ABI, but not while you’re infected, or while in some form of bed resting a broken brain.

Just as you could injure your brain again, you could be infected again by this particular disease.

So, the best time to get your vaccine is as soon as possible, so long as you don’t currently have Coronavirus. It is generally only “too late” for the people who end up not recovering after being infected.

 

[masspref]

People who are actively bullshitting usually just move the goalposts around and then it doesn't work as well to get an answer but demonstrates they are bullshitting.
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You mean like certain scientists and politicians concerning the pandemic? see what i did there?

 

[Valcazar]

People who are actively bullshitting usually just move the goalposts around and then it doesn't work as well to get an answer but demonstrates they are bullshitting.

Yes, I saw you fucked up the quote function.

But yes, there are absolutely politicians and scientists who have done that sort of bullshit during the pandemic.
I doubt we would agree on which ones.

 

[masspref]

Lol I won't ever correct something like that or use spellchecker on a board, and you are right about disagreeing...

 

[basketcase]

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We assume vast majority of those walking around are already Covid positive and asymptomatic
...

WTF???

 

[Valcazar]

WTF???

Like I said, I think he doesn't understand the epidemiology either.

 

[squeezer]

Like I said, I think he doesn't understand the epidemiology either.

I believe TJ has trouble tying his shoe and calls on Masspref to help and ends up with knots.

 

[masspref]

At least you are putting me on a higher rung in the ladder. My plan is working muahahahah