Tony Robbins
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that was a brilliant rendition of Tony Robbins. All you need to do now is cut your hair, be clean shaven, dress really nice, pretend you are modest, smile a f**k of a lot and tell people how great they can be and you can make a fortune.
"But your disagreement is a negative that leads to pain, not pleasure. You automatically, even subconsciously, come up with a reason too fail, because it provides you MORE pleasure to fail, i.e.: a reason NOT to succeed, rather than to succeed........according to Tony Robbins."
IMHO this is double speak nonsense meant to silence critics, if it means anything at all.
"Well, if you want to be rich, would you take advice from a banker giving you just 2% on your savings? No. You'd want to know what someone did to become rich, rather than someone telling you not to be. If you wanted to shoot like Gretzky, you'd be on the ice in a nanosecond if you had the opportunity to do it. So make the opportunity. Look for the equation that actually works, not equations that don't work......according to Tony Robbins."
I repeat, Gretzky would make a bad teacher because he is a natural who never had to figure out the fundamentals like a grinder did. That was a typical Robbins non answer. Bulls**t baffles and makes a con artist sound like a genius, IMHO.
that was a brilliant rendition of Tony Robbins. All you need to do now is cut your hair, be clean shaven, dress really nice, pretend you are modest, smile a f**k of a lot and tell people how great they can be and you can make a fortune.
"But your disagreement is a negative that leads to pain, not pleasure. You automatically, even subconsciously, come up with a reason too fail, because it provides you MORE pleasure to fail, i.e.: a reason NOT to succeed, rather than to succeed........according to Tony Robbins."
IMHO this is double speak nonsense meant to silence critics, if it means anything at all.
"Well, if you want to be rich, would you take advice from a banker giving you just 2% on your savings? No. You'd want to know what someone did to become rich, rather than someone telling you not to be. If you wanted to shoot like Gretzky, you'd be on the ice in a nanosecond if you had the opportunity to do it. So make the opportunity. Look for the equation that actually works, not equations that don't work......according to Tony Robbins."
I repeat, Gretzky would make a bad teacher because he is a natural who never had to figure out the fundamentals like a grinder did. That was a typical Robbins non answer. Bulls**t baffles and makes a con artist sound like a genius, IMHO.
All the "successful" people...even the "naturals" like Gretzky, mentioned here several times....have coaches, have mentors, have trainers. Why...because they have a will to succeed...to be better tomorrow than they are today, to learn, to grow, to constantly improve their skills. Sports psychologists are important parts of their teams...not just the guys that can teach them how to sink a basket, swing a club or raquet.
Robbins is one of many teachers synthesizing life lessons...performance coaching. The list extends well back from Napoleon Hill, to Earl Nightingale to Zig Ziegler to Wayne Dyer etc. Lot's of them with a theme and variation on similar messages. All providing a useful service for those who are interested in exploring their own personal development and expanding their understanding of why and how they got to where they are and how to move on.
I don't knock Robbins...I've learned from him, and many others as well. It works for me. I will continue to live a life examined and a life that is growing and changing...I will use whatever coaching, mentors or trainers that help me to continue to grow...whether it is a personal trainer in the gym or a golf instructor or a life coach... It just makes sense to tap into and use available talent.
By the way...Gretzky got where he did because he did learn the fundamentals...and he put in his 10,000 hours learning, before he became the Great One.
Robbins is one of many teachers synthesizing life lessons...performance coaching. The list extends well back from Napoleon Hill, to Earl Nightingale to Zig Ziegler to Wayne Dyer etc. Lot's of them with a theme and variation on similar messages. All providing a useful service for those who are interested in exploring their own personal development and expanding their understanding of why and how they got to where they are and how to move on.
I don't knock Robbins...I've learned from him, and many others as well. It works for me. I will continue to live a life examined and a life that is growing and changing...I will use whatever coaching, mentors or trainers that help me to continue to grow...whether it is a personal trainer in the gym or a golf instructor or a life coach... It just makes sense to tap into and use available talent.
By the way...Gretzky got where he did because he did learn the fundamentals...and he put in his 10,000 hours learning, before he became the Great One.
Shades
I disagree with Gretzky as a teacher. Of course, at that level, he understands fundamentals but not as well as the grinder. He is better because he is a natural. You will learn from Gretzky skills you will not be able to do unless your body is also a physical genious IMHO.
For example, I played golf with a professional athelete ( NFL quarterback) who was extremely good. I tried to discuss the basics of his remarkable swing , well over 300 yards right down the fairway, to discover he had never had a lesson. It was all natural. Even though he was better then me I would make the better teacher because I had to learn the fundamentals. E.G. swing path, wrist release, don't look up until you have actually hit the damn thing, keep your body behind the ball before striking, balance etc.
Anyways, what I find intriquing is your belief in Robbins and Dwyer.
I have listened to both of these fellows a fair bit but not enough to call myself an expert on either of them so I will be grateful to have my opinion corrected.
I listened to them and they said precious little. Most is just vacuous glib chatter. I would be lying to say I heard otherwise. When they did make a point worth jotting down I would often disagree with them. The Gretzky case is an example.
While I agree with learning from others even to the extent of a life coach, I suspect Robbins and Dwyer are not brilliant life coaches as much as brilliant self promoters.
As what you said about them was just a general statement of praise, would you would be so kind as to be specific as to how they helped you.
I disagree with Gretzky as a teacher. Of course, at that level, he understands fundamentals but not as well as the grinder. He is better because he is a natural. You will learn from Gretzky skills you will not be able to do unless your body is also a physical genious IMHO.
For example, I played golf with a professional athelete ( NFL quarterback) who was extremely good. I tried to discuss the basics of his remarkable swing , well over 300 yards right down the fairway, to discover he had never had a lesson. It was all natural. Even though he was better then me I would make the better teacher because I had to learn the fundamentals. E.G. swing path, wrist release, don't look up until you have actually hit the damn thing, keep your body behind the ball before striking, balance etc.
Anyways, what I find intriquing is your belief in Robbins and Dwyer.
I have listened to both of these fellows a fair bit but not enough to call myself an expert on either of them so I will be grateful to have my opinion corrected.
I listened to them and they said precious little. Most is just vacuous glib chatter. I would be lying to say I heard otherwise. When they did make a point worth jotting down I would often disagree with them. The Gretzky case is an example.
While I agree with learning from others even to the extent of a life coach, I suspect Robbins and Dwyer are not brilliant life coaches as much as brilliant self promoters.
As what you said about them was just a general statement of praise, would you would be so kind as to be specific as to how they helped you.
On the other hand, I would be successful (assuming that was my passion). Whether you believe you can or cannot do something you are correct.261252 said:
A few examples....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnLVRQCjh8c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0KVfljCvhE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-LLUJVYNV0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuOyBFEAylU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOU5dogqhGc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMHBXQq2VK8
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Quasthoff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Robeson
It is common for non-achievers to remark that "So and so has a god-given talent.". I call bullshit! I know some VERY talented people. Without exception, their work ethic is extraordinary. I also know some less-talented but successful people. They are even harder workers.
While seeking out someone with less talent is good as well, I would talk to both and learn far more than you. The point is valid. Model and learn from those that are the most successful. Wayne worked harder than most. You won't even know if he can teach because you already decided he can't without even investigating.261252 said:
It is common knowledge that he didn't create NLP. He often talks about the founders, Richard Bandler and John Grinder. There is lots of value in the study of NLP. I speak from experience. Some claims are extravagant and so people throw out the baby with the bath water.261252 said:
We are goal achieving machines. We are ALL successful at achieving our goals. Finding food when we are hungry, getting off when we are horny, shutting out the world, watching TV, hiding from fears, feeding the Id. everything we do is goal achievement. Including avoidance.
It is the goals we choose (if we want to) that matters and learning how we already achieve goals so we can apply the principles with intention that Robbins et al teach.
It is easy to succeed. Learn how to operate your machine rather than leave it on autopilot. One thing is for sure, there is very little competition since most people limit themselves.
No, don't think I will go into details of my personal life on this board. You will just have to believe me that I have drawn on some of the things they have said to help shape my decisions/choices over the years.261252 said:
Ahhh, but, perhaps one example as I suspect you won't be satisfied with a general response. Dyer talks about satori...which is actually derived from Zen Buddhism...as passing through a gate, or into a new way of being. Not his original thought, but he is where I first read about the concept. This was particularly relevant to me as I struggled with weight and related health issues. I had tried diets for years...without luck. However, I found a men's weight loss group (Brooker) and he mentored me and drew on this concept to help change my relationship to food. I've lost over 25 lbs in the last three months and am well on my way to a healthy weight. To me the juxtaposition of finding Brookers group...and the reading...became the light bulb, the framing viewpoint or perspective that helped me achieve my goals.
I am not a fundamentalist....I don't take all that they say/write as gospel. Certain aspects of their teaching resonated with where I was at certain points in my life and became useful to me in moving forward. Those parts of their "teachings" that didn't do this had no relevance...and were of no interest to me. But because I didn't buy all that they said doesn't mean that I couldn't value and use parts of what they said.
With regards to Gretzky...I made reference to the 10,000 hours. A very interesting concept that I first read about in Gladwell's book The Outliers. Interesting reading on the routes of or orgins of "success".
Cheers
S
Well, you could always date Tony Robbin's ex-wife, Becky (aka: Sage). I'm sure she has a wide, stretched out pussy 4 ya.261252 said:
Gyaos Baltar.
Exactly...tersey said:
His current wife is Bonnie (AKA Sage) Humphrey. She's from the Greater Vancouver area... His wedding present to her was new boobs...
(Yes I have inside information... see post #3)
Well, IMHO, big ego (humble or not) equals big cock. Part of the evolutionary process for males that have yet to transcend to the higher evolutionary plain.
Which, I suspect, is Guru Robbins dilemma. I wonder how many of his groupies he has nailed? Right up there with Mick Jagger I suspect.
Which, I suspect, is Guru Robbins dilemma. I wonder how many of his groupies he has nailed? Right up there with Mick Jagger I suspect.
OH! But, Becky is an entire chapter of his Personal Power tapes....the one on "lasting relationships". I guess that F'd up the program entire, 'cuz she meant everything to him. Well, not now. Hot blonde, hot HJ for TRthompo69 said:
Gyaos.
Check out Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. He discusses the 10,000 hour rule in that book. And that, coupled with a few other factors, is what makes someone like Gretzsky stand out from the rest.261252 said:
http://www.gladwell.com/outliers/index.html
It's a good book. And by the way, I agree with everyone else about Tony Robbins. If something like that REALLY worked there would be a lot more hard data.
