Todd Bertuzzi Suspension...How Long?

[Squatting Tiger]

I like Bert but the way he suckered Steve Moore & drove his head into the ice was just nasty & premeditated.

No, it was not premeditated. He did not have plans before hand to drive Moore's head on the ice, nor did Bertuzzi expect a ten player pile-up on Moore after he sucker punched Moore.

If you look at the whole replay and press the mute button to avoid the commentary of the TSN and Sportsnet 'experts', you'll realize that Moore knew exactly who was following him around the ice asking him to drop the gloves and fight. They were jawing at each other through that whole shift. For fuck's sake, Bertuzzi was pulling on Moore's jersey for at least a second before he punched the kid. Also, look how quickly Moore's teammate jumped on Bertuzzi's back after Moore fell. Everyone knew what was going on, Moore was ready to 'turtle' as soon as he had a chance. Unfortunately Moore never had that chance.

Bertuzzi was stupid for what he did. He was looking to avenge his best friend on the ice, but Moore didn't want to even face him. So he freaked out and sucker punched Moore. Was Bertuzzi justified in punching Moore (for the dirty hit on Naslund)? No. Was he plotting to seriously injure Moore? No. Suspend Bertuzzi for the rest of the season and 1 round of the playoffs.

The biggest problem here is the NHL and the NHLPA don't know how to fucking help their players. They know how to punish players after the fact (good help that does to Moore) but they don't really know how to prevent things like this to even happen. It goes beyond just the rules on ice (they don't even know how to enforce the rules, let alone make a good set of rules) but it involves educating the players. Teach them to respect themselves, respect other players, respect society, and respect the rules of society (look at Danny Heatley for ignorance of the rules outside of hockey). A lot of these players just know the unwritten code of hockey, nothing more.

 

[Goober Mcfly]

Re: Re: Todd Bertuzzi Suspension...How Long?

No, it was not premeditated.

For all you people saying it wasn't premeditated, check out this article from February (I'm linking Google's cache of it, because it's a registration site...)

http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cach...,00.html+Bertuzzi+punk+Naslund&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Pay special attention to the fourth paragraph...

Naslund's call for restraint is in sharp contrast to teammate Brad May's assertion that a "bounty" has been placed on the rookie's head. Todd Bertuzzi, who is Naslund's linemate, said of Moore: "No way that punk will be in their lineup in March."

The fucktard was out to hurt him, plain and simple.

Oh, and lay the fark off Kathleen. Sheesh!

 

[new2game]

Hey black..

..bblack, too bad for you...someone who can't express his thoughts without getting bent.....and attacking ......that's always the sign of a weak arguement......and Kathleen , thanks, for your
thooghts.......just say what you think...and don't let bback get to you...I don't...I'm sure he's pounding his fists on the computer screen right now....lmao New 2 game

 

[bootycall28]

BBLACK - Two posts ago, I just read this
Anyways i'm done with this topic.

I don't understand your point on the steroids at all. Kathleen

I think he was trying to say (knowing you've competed) that someone opinions are better than others. A kid thinking he can just take steroids and be Mr. Universe doesn't know anything compared to someone that has competed and gone through the process firsthand.

Another example would be all the guys here who tell sp's how they should feel and how their jobs are. To understand an sp one would be best to go through it and feel firsthand what it's about.

Booty

 

[fernie]

Not premeditated? There was a bounty on Morre's head cause of the naslund hit. He stalked Moore and baited him all night. That's premeditation.

Fernie

 

[BigBlack]

Re: Hey black..

..I'm sure he's pounding his fists on the computer screen right now....lmao New 2 game

Huh? I can type the word moron without being upset. You Ass-u-me far too much. Anyways, I see Kathleen's point that we all offer an opinion, without judging others, so I'm deleting most of my posts and exiting this thread.

BBLACK

 

[scubadoo]

new2game - I know just want you mean. I don't consider you a suck up at all. A suck up would have agreed with my thoughts. But you whole heartedly disagreed, without being nasty about it. Acutally, a few were good enough to just say I disagree, and leave it.

If I missed something I'm sorry. While I was disagree with your assessment of the situation I don't think I was being nasty about it.

 

[Cave Carson]

1. Steve Moore's hit on Markus Naslund was a clean open-ice check. That's what hockey is all about. It's a contact sport. If you don't keep your head up, you're liable to get levelled.

2. I'm astonished that anyone would actually argue that Moore should have made an attempt to avoid hitting Naslund because of Naslund's status as a star player. Since when is there one rule for stars and a different rule for other players?

3. Todd Bertuzzi's attack on Moore is in no way comparable to Marty McSorley's slash at Brashear. McSorley was merely trying to get Brashear's attention by chopping at his shoulder but his stick deflected from Brashear's shoulder to Brashear's head. McSorley's chop wasn't very hard. Brashear suffered the concussion when he fell backward onto the ice and hit the back of his head.

Bertuzzi's attack, on the other hand, looks to me like a premeditated attempt to injure. He grabbed Steve Moore's sweater to give himself better leverage for the blow. Then he came down with his full 240 pound weight on the already dazed/unconscious Moore driving Moore's face into the ice and snapping his neck.

The police would have already filed criminal charges had this incident occurred anywhere but in Vancouver.

 

[Goober Mcfly]

Psst....Cave....it's Markus Naslund...

 

[Cave Carson]

Sorry, Goober. I've never been able to tell all these Swedes apart....

 

[Don]

21 games. That is what Dale Hunter got for blindsiding Turgeon in 94(?). That was the most vicious cheapshot I ever saw. Turgeon was celebrating a goal in a playoff game and with his back to Hunter and both arms raised in celebration and Hunter just plows him into the board. I saw the footage of Bertuzzi and I still think the Hunter hit was worse. So I can live with 21 games.

 

[scubadoo]

21 games. That is what Dale Hunter got for blindsiding Turgeon in 94(?). That was the most vicious cheapshot I ever saw. Turgeon was celebrating a goal in a playoff game and with his back to Hunter and both arms raised in celebration and Hunter just plows him into the board. I saw the footage of Bertuzzi and I still think the Hunter hit was worse. So I can live with 21 games.

Hunter hit him more from the side. I still say the Bertuzzi hit was much worse than this. If Dale had jumped on top of Turgeon and started pounding him I could see the 21 games, but I think 15 to 18 games would have been more realistic.

Anyone else seen the great job that both Dale and his brother Mark have done with the London Knights? First in the league in points, goals for , goals against and third in PIM. A class organization if I do say so!

 

[Goober Mcfly]

Go Knights Go!

 

[MojoRisin']

How about you cut Bad Kat a little slack? She's demonstrated again that she's nothing but a class act the way she has responded to some of the baiting here. She made a 2 game call before she knew the extent of Moore's injuries. She's got a difference in opnion in what she would dole out, compared to what they league will do. Hardly surprising as she's not a suit.

Hell. I can't believe any jerk here would debate her right to speak on the issue, because she's a girl. WTF? I thought the immature concept of "ew, girlie germs" died at kindergarten.

Fernie

No one is debating her right to speak on the issue. I havent heard anyone say "please be quiet miss we dont want your opinion" people are debating and making comments on her opinion which is pretty much in the minority here. She should be able to handle and expect some backlash when her comments are pretty surprising to most

 

[MojoRisin']

Just cant believe the Neadrathal respose some of you had to Kathleen....this "you gotta play the game to understand " B/S..now I whole heartedly disagree with Kathleen...not based on that she didn't"play the game" but based on the merits of her statements. Listen, you don't need to put your hand on a lit burner to know it will burn you....so all you "pros" that have played the game that think your opinion is more valuable because of that, are all blowing smoke. Any knowledgeable fan...and even though I disagree with Kathleen,she seems to be a knowledgeable fan....can bring as much to,the discussion as anyone else.....P.S. to Kathleen.....Damn hot looking woman you are...some of the best looking pics Ive seen on any Sp site....If I ever get up to the TO area...have to check you out....


New2game [

drooling at the end really didnt make standing up for her that sincere dude...but nice try. BTW having played the game really does put it in a different perspective. Of course knowledgable fans can have an opinion and be very smart but there is an aspect that having been out there adds to the feeling and flow of the game. No denying that

 

[MojoRisin']

Re: Re: Todd Bertuzzi Suspension...How Long?

If you look at the whole replay and press the mute button to avoid the commentary of the TSN and Sportsnet 'experts', you'll realize that Moore knew exactly who was following him around the ice asking him to drop the gloves and fight. They were jawing at each other through that whole shift. For fuck's sake, Bertuzzi was pulling on Moore's jersey for at least a second before he punched the kid. Also, look how quickly Moore's teammate jumped on Bertuzzi's back after Moore fell. Everyone knew what was going on, Moore was ready to 'turtle' as soon as he had a chance. Unfortunately Moore never had that chance.

Moore not responding to Berts taunting was a sign that he wanted no part of it. Should have been the end of it. Sure Bert could have skated around called him a Pansey (i meant that) chicken shit whatever. He went way too far and now will pay.

Moore didnt have the chance to turtle because Bert had knocked him out cold before he hit the ice. Watch the tape and he didnt even have his arms out to break his fall...he was out cold.

 

[scubadoo]

scubadoo - You ,Goober,and a few others that I was refering to as being totally fine with me. You just said I disagree, and left it at that.

It was a couple others that were more vocal about how wrong I could be. If following the thread, Paul was taking a beating too.

In the immortal words of BOBBY McFERRIN. Don't Worry, Be Happy!

Out the bunch of them, I've probably got the most hockey experience in the group. I feel there was no need to draw the comparison that since you are a lady ( and a damn fine one at that ) that you can't provide an objective opinion. That's just bull!


As stated Bertuzi will sit the rest of the season and 1st round of the playoffs for sure!

 

[new2game]

Hey Mojo

Whether you liked my standing up for Kathleen or not.....she ceertainly appreciated it...and let me know so...and I really think that you might be a tad jealous??? lmao..kidding...I will give you your due on the perspective one might gain from playing the game....I never played any orgaized hockey....but played high school and 1 yr college basketball.....does give a bit of perspective, but I certainly wouldn't think it gives me some incredible insight that others might not have.....however we all bring our experiences to the discussion......and leaves us with a lot of information to consider before reaching a final decision...this whole thread has made for interesting reading....and to your question Kathleen, if I was a betting type, my money would be on the season and 1 round of the playoffs...it should be the entire playoffs, but I don't see the league having the backbone to do it........new2game

 

[Kev]

Tomorrow at 9:00 am we'll see what the out come will be because Moore couldn't take a cheap bunch. Of which in the NHL many are thrown every game. This incident really could have happened many times over, unfortunately the weight will be on Todd's shoulders tomorrow. What would have happened if Moore bounced up and confronted Bertuzzi or skated away? Nothing minus the two minutes Todd would have received in the box.

This incident is really alot bigger than what we all think. Or at least it should be. The league allows or because there is no repercussion tolerates so much fist throwing, stick swinging, whatever you want to call it.

The Nation Hockey League in a civil suit could be held responsable for this incident. I am not making excuses for Todd, but if Steve Moore would have gotten up immediately after being blindsided i feel we would have not heard anything more.

.....and leave Kathleen the hell alone. --- Kev

 

[Jim Rome]

Factors the NHL is likely to take into consideration:
1) Calls for retribution made by Canucks after hit on Naslund. Brad May saying there's a "bounty" on his head. Bertuzzi saying "That kid's a piece of shit. We play them twice more and hopefully they'll keep him in the lineup".
2) Bertuzzi has a long history of being an undisciplined player. He served a 10 game suspension last year for coming off the bench during a game against the Avalanche. Fired a puck once at Scottie Bowman who was standing behind the player's bench. He explodes at the wrong time, regardless of the score, time or place. He has no self-control and has taken some really ugly penalties.
3) Past precedents. The McSorley incident, etc. And Kathleen, it doesn't matter at all whether a stick was used. The only difference is the section of the Criminal Code used - assault with a weapon. Head shots and stick incidents are both severely punished by the League.
4) The League has spoken out about police involvement, saying the League can police itself. A severe penalty to Bertuzzi might help send that message.

And of course you can have your opinion Kathleen. Did anyone censor you ? No, just took you to task for calling for a 2 game suspension when everyone else around you was reeling in disbelief and the brutality of the incident. You stunned a lot of us when you made that post. Hence the what are you smoking comment. Glad to see you're starting to come around.