Tipping Etiquette

[Spanglerdoo]

. Sometimes, you can buy yourself allot of forgiveness by taking a client to lunch a few times.

Seriously with the amount of people i've pissed off on terb ,i would need a banquet hall

 

[fmahovalich]

Another thought

Tipping generally goes to those in the SERVICE industry....who generally are making a pretty low wage. So low in fact, because it is understoood that they WILL get tips to top up the overall salary. So people like waitresses, doormen, taxi drivers, etc.....

For instance a waitress makes below minimum wage - because it is UNDERSTOOD that they make some tips to TOP UP.

So the argument that those who provide a 'service' like a Doctor for instance does not hold water. They set a rate - a good rate - and therefore do not expect nor deserve a tip.

I dare say the same is true for SP or MPA - yes..they do provide a service. But again, they are extremely HIGH PAID (generally 200 per hour) and therefore I would argue would not or should not expect a tip.

 

[Kyra.Graves]

There are lots of crappy jobs out there you probably can't imagine.

Based on an hourly rate of $250.00 per hour, that translates into $520,000 per year take home (since I highly doubt you pay taxes, or at least all the taxes you should pay - that's a pretax annual salary of about $750,000 a year.)

Now I realize that you don't make nearly that because you don't work 40 hours a week, however, taken as a yearly salary - that's the income bracket your trade is in.

That's more than those bankers, lawyers, traders and consultants you are mentioning. It's also more than the Prime Minister of Canda, more than the Chief of Cardiology at any hospital in Canada.

Goes to show you what society values.

Are you comparing their billable hours to the escorts billable hours?

I guess what has me confused is that it sounds like you are comparing salaries to billable hours and making the assumption that the escort works only on billable hours. In fact working as an escort has a lot more to do than just billing hours to clients, the ladies work in a profession where they have behind the scenes work just like all businesses.

An independent runs her own business, she has to do administrative work, marketing, handle all finances and of course take care of herself and her location. Depending on her business model this can take anywhere from 30-60% of her time and a significant portion of her money as well.
An agency escort will offload most of those tasks, so she has more free time to dedicate to personal interests, hobbies, or other work. This will free up more time but significantly decreases her income.

Either way you can't really compare a take home salary with someones bill rate (x40) and think it's an accurate or fair comparison.

 

[Kyra.Graves]

Actually, it's the reverse.

The service provider will take the client to lunch, dinner, hockey tickets, gifts (alcohol or gift basket at Xmas) in order to foster good will between the service provider and the client who is spending the money. Sometimes, you can buy yourself allot of forgiveness by taking a client to lunch a few times.

So, in the sex for hire industry, the women should be giving gifts to the male clients in order to entice the males to continue spending their money with that woman instead of some other.

It depends on the service provided. If you view an escort as a car salesman, investment banker, risk management professional, or general contractor then yes she will probably want to wine and dine you in order to win your business. If however you view an escort as a psychologist, life coach, bartender, oncologist (or other Doctor), executive coach, hair stylist (yes guys you buy gifts for your hair stylist - but not your barber ), etc. these are all professionals that typically the client buys a gift for the provider of the service.
I'm not saying one is right or wrong, I personally believe that both exist in this industry and don't envy the client position as I think it's probably difficult for many to navigate. I just thought I'd point out that both positions exist in our society and that we have examples of them everyday across all levels, we just don't always think of them offhand.

 

[Kyra.Graves]

Okay - now back on topic.

In restuarants I tend to tip 15% after taxes for good service, more for excellent service.

I admit I'm an overtipper meaning that I am guilty of tipping even on bad service, though I rarely recieve horrible service and when I do I often feel bad as it's generally because the place is too busy and understaffed. I often feel that's just bad management not really the service staff's fault so I will still tip. Can't recall the last time I had rude service, that's one thing I can't stand but in general everyone always seems nice and they'll try hard and if they make an effort, try to correct any obvious mistakes and apologize for the ones they make (can't stand staff that always makes excuses - everything is everyone elses fault) then I'll still tip. I don't mind waiting a little longer for food, if I'm in a rush I shouldn't be there anyway I should have just stayed home.

As far as anywhere else, well I tip my mani/pedi, facial girl (yes that's right I get my facials from a girl and tip her for the service- insert your dirty jokes here), I also tip my stylist, taxi drivers and the guy at my local starbucks because he always remembers my drink saving me from having to say a very lengthy order before I've had my first latte of the day. :-}

 

[genintoronto]

Are you comparing their billable hours to the escorts billable hours?

I guess what has me confused is that it sounds like you are comparing salaries to billable hours and making the assumption that the escort works only on billable hours. In fact working as an escort has a lot more to do than just billing hours to clients, the ladies work in a profession where they have behind the scenes work just like all businesses.

An independent runs her own business, she has to do administrative work, marketing, handle all finances and of course take care of herself and her location. Depending on her business model this can take anywhere from 30-60% of her time and a significant portion of her money as well.
An agency escort will offload most of those tasks, so she has more free time to dedicate to personal interests, hobbies, or other work. This will free up more time but significantly decreases her income.

Either way you can't really compare a take home salary with someones bill rate (x40) and think it's an accurate or fair comparison.

What she said.

Also, to clarify, my comment on the other page was actually not related to the question asked by the OP (on tipping), but was rather a reply to Toke's comment, which he then clarified in reply to mine.

I was not trying to suggest that SP should be tipped -- while I do appreciate a tip, I don't expect them and I agree with most everybody that tipping generally applies for people working minimum (or below) wage service jobs.

However, and as Kyra also already commented above, it is not uncommon to tip or give gifts to other professional service workers, such as your hair stylist, therapist, life coach, RMT, etc.

 

[fmahovalich]

I would argue that

I think most places..with the high wage structure like Sp'ing - does not have tipping.

I think it a little overstepping to suggest in a blanket statement that it is 'not uncommon' to tip.....


I would hazard to argue that it IS UNCOMMON. In other words, by far it is in the minoroty by FAR those who tip...Doctors, lawyers, S.P.'s..etc.

 

[Anynym]

Different restaurants have different rules.

At many restaurants, the wait staff are required to tip out the buss staff, the bar staff, and the kitchen staff. At some, the House will require a "cut" which is used towards a small fraction of the Band's fee.

You can be upset because the server delivered an order which the kitchen messed up, but that server could be losing money working for you.

Especially if they also serve a number of foreign tourists at that restaurant, tourists who don't know and don't care that a tip is expected because they don't tip at home.

 

[saliksalik]

What's the proper tipping etiquette?

We know that 15% is standard for good service, 10% is standard for subpar service, and 20% is standard for exceptional service, but are there times when you tip less or more than that?

We know that you have to tip the waitress at the restaurant, the bartender at the pub or club, the barber, the taxi driver, and the doorman at the hotel, but where else should tips be going?

On Saturday night I went to a restaurant and had the cutest/hottest/prettiest waitress in the world. She was about 5'1", with beautiful blonde curly hair, and incredible tanned skin. She was so cute, so nice, and made the whole evening a pleasure, so I tipped her 40%, that's right kids, 40%!

About a month ago I went to a Japanese all you can eat place (you know, the ones that pop up 3 or 4 times a day all over the city), the service was beyond horrible. I got one sushi roll in the span of an hour, everything else I ordered never came. I then proceeded to order again, and half an hour later a miso soup came. I asked for the manager, told him that this is ridiculous, he offered me a 10% discount, I paid then left, and needless to say I didn't leave a tip.

Let's hear your tipping stories!

My standard tip is 15 per cent.
But I am a service freak.
Bad service - No Tip, Worse Service-Walk Away, Worst Service-Never to visit the place again.

Better Serve - 20 per cent. Best Service - As much as I could reasonably afford.

I have also occasionally tipped the SPs, or brought a gift when repeated.

Cheers.