It's interesting that WTC7 was a more conventional demolition, bottom-up, unlike WTC 1 and 2 which were top-down. In addition, it was imploded, not exploded like the other two. I think that rules out the the idea of a missing third plane, which some say was intended for #7 but never got off the ground.WoodPeckr said:You mean like this?
WTC7 - This is an Orange
Funny how WTC7 went down so perfectly, when other buildings CLOSER still stand!...
Tin Foil Hat Thread on 9/11
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WTC 7 Tenants
Floor Tenant
46-47 Mechanical floors
28-45 Salomon Smith Barney (SSB)
26-27 Standard Chartered Bank
25 Inland Revenue Service (IRS)
25 Department of Defense (DOD)
25 Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
24 Inland Revenue Service (IRS)
23 Office of Emergency Management (OEM)
22 Federal Home Loan Bank of New York
21 First State Management Group
19-21 ITT Hartford Insurance Group
19 National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC)
18 Equal Opportunity Commission (EEOC)
14-17 Vacant
13 Provident Financial Management
11-13 Securities and Exchange Commission
9-10 US Secret Service
7-8 American Express Bank International
7 OEM generators and day tank
6 Switchgear, storage
5 Switchgear, generators, transformers
4 Upper level of 3rd floor, switchgear
3 Lobby, SSB Conference Center, rentable space, manage
2 Open to first floor lobby, transformer vault upper level, upper level switchgear
1 Lobby, loading docks, existing Con Ed transformer vaults, fuel storage, lower level switchgear
[WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions.
The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed [by the collapse of WTC 7]. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency’s major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. … "Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases." [New York Lawyer]
Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack. [TheStreet]
Inside [WTC 7 was] the US Secret Service’s largest field office with more than 200 employees. … "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran.
Floor Tenant
46-47 Mechanical floors
28-45 Salomon Smith Barney (SSB)
26-27 Standard Chartered Bank
25 Inland Revenue Service (IRS)
25 Department of Defense (DOD)
25 Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
24 Inland Revenue Service (IRS)
23 Office of Emergency Management (OEM)
22 Federal Home Loan Bank of New York
21 First State Management Group
19-21 ITT Hartford Insurance Group
19 National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC)
18 Equal Opportunity Commission (EEOC)
14-17 Vacant
13 Provident Financial Management
11-13 Securities and Exchange Commission
9-10 US Secret Service
7-8 American Express Bank International
7 OEM generators and day tank
6 Switchgear, storage
5 Switchgear, generators, transformers
4 Upper level of 3rd floor, switchgear
3 Lobby, SSB Conference Center, rentable space, manage
2 Open to first floor lobby, transformer vault upper level, upper level switchgear
1 Lobby, loading docks, existing Con Ed transformer vaults, fuel storage, lower level switchgear
[WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions.
The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed [by the collapse of WTC 7]. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency’s major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. … "Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases." [New York Lawyer]
Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack. [TheStreet]
Inside [WTC 7 was] the US Secret Service’s largest field office with more than 200 employees. … "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran.
Simply a factor of which directions the debris from The Towers fell (ever see tornado results?)and, quite possibly, the different structural designs.WoodPeckr said:Funny how WTC7 went down so perfectly, when other buildings CLOSER still stand!...
I don't know about #3 (The Marriott Hotel), but 4, 5, and 6 had identical designs (built immediately following the towers), while #7 was built many years later.
Besides, if the "controlled demolition" demolition theory is true, why weren't the planners smart enough to purposely make it look like it wasn't a controlled demolition; thereby eliminating any potential for scrutiny later?
Unrelenting bullshit. WTC7 clearly buldged out at 2pm and progressively became less structurally sound from there on. Firefighters themselves called off the search of the building at 3:30 on the grounds that they feared the building had become so unsound that it would collapse.Mcluhan said:
Whatever happened, and the NIST report is pretty fucking convincing, it took hours to happen. A detonation would take only seconds.
You are just SO full of shit that I have to conclude you are a troll.
The answer is that McLuhan is full of shit, it does not look ANYTHING like a controlled demolition. Not one of the buildings looks even remotely like a controlled demolition.viking1965 said:
In the case of the North and South towers in each case it's clearly visible that one face of the building collapses ahead of the rest of the building. The building leans towards that side, and the debris from those sides hits the ground seconds earlier from the other sides.
The sections above the collapsed wall then fall through the collapsed sections to the area below, and the whole thing crushes itself.
If it were a controlled demolition along the lines that McLuhan is pretending then the whole thing would have failed equally all around and it would have collapsed inwards. That just didn't happen.
Controlled demolitions do not look like that.
To claim that this was somehow planned in advance you'd have to imagine that the people planting the charges would have been able to predict exactly which floors and from which sides the plane would hit. If the pilots, who had only minimal training, had hit a few floors higher or lower then the collapse would have started in the wrong place.
Not believable.
He is making this shit up as he goes along.
?!?!?!!?fuji said:
Did you watch this?????
WTC7 - This is an Orange
If you think that doesn't look like a 'controlled demolition', you better see an eye doctor for a checkup....
Yes, I did. I know exactly what an orange looks like, thank you.WoodPeckr said:?!?!?!!?
Did you watch this?????
WTC7 - This is an Orange
If you think that doesn't look like a 'controlled demolition', you better see an eye doctor for a checkup....
By the conspiracy theorists own logic, "nothing is as it seems". Just because something (the inevitbale collapse of a burnt out building) "looks like" something else (a controlled demolition), doesn't necessarily mean that it is.
Fires raged for hours, unabated because firefighters couldn't get to it (they clearly had other shit to worry about), inside 7 WTC before it's susequent collapse.
Any previously planted explosives would have "cooked off" and detonated long before your alleged "controlled demolition" occurred. Likewise, as I stated earlier, in The Towers.
What?!?!?!?! Another plane now!?!?!?!?!?!Mcluhan said:
You really are a nutball!!!!!
Fuji's right (and far be it from me to EVER say that
), you clearly are making this up as you go along.What's next? Obama was piloting one of the planes but parachuted into the Hudson before impact?
Further it had fuel tanks to provide power to the back-up generators because of the City of New York Command Center that was in the building. Surprisingly enough that fuel burned.viking1965 said:
LOL!!!viking1965 said:
Get serious...
It depends where the explosives were planted!
As the 'WTC7 - This is an Orange' video concludes; 'Do you believe what you see with own eyes or do you believe what you are told?'
Obviouly you believe what they tell you to believe....
Yet oddly 'other' buildings closer to ground zero that were more severely damaged than WTC7 never collapsed....Aardvark154 said:
Yes. That video omits the hours leading up to it during which the building VISIBLY fails structurally over time leading up to the final collapse. At 2pm it is visibly bulging. At 3:30pm the fire department evacuates the building because they can SEE that it is going to collapse.WoodPeckr said:
These buildings have essentially only got one central support and so when that ONE support collapses the whole building goes down at once. They are essentially suspended from a single central column that hangs from a superstructure. They are not compression buildings as in the video but rather engineered primarily around suspension.
The buildings in your video have multiple support and the video is correct that they all have to fail at the same time, however when there is only one support guess what? One is all of them, and when it collapses the whole building goes down.
Yet oddly 'other' buildings closer to ground zero that were more severely damaged than WTC7 never collapsed....fuji said:
Very strange, no?
No. Those buildings weren't damaged in the same way, despite being closer, so it is not very strange at all.WoodPeckr said:Yet oddly 'other' buildings closer to ground zero that were more severely damaged than WTC7 never collapsed....
Very strange, no?
I've updated the message you replied to you might want to read it all, and then give up on this unrelenting bullshit from fake engineers and fake journals.
Funny you have all that info and seem very knowledgeable on this obvious 'controlled demolition'.fuji said:
Do/did you work for the government, in the cover-up division?.....
I'll admit that my only knowledge of controlled demolition is what I've seen on the Discovery Channel, (what's yours?) but it's enough to know that the explosives need to be evenly distributed throughout the entire building and detonated at very specific time increments.WoodPeckr said:LOL!!!
Get serious...
It depends where the explosives were planted!
As the 'WTC7 - This is an Orange' video concludes; 'Do you believe what you see with own eyes or do you believe what you are told?'
Obviouly you believe what they tell you to believe....
What I believe is an amalgam of what I see, read, hear, and can rationally accept as being "possible". My singular objection to the controlled demolition theory is that I cannot comprehend how the necessary preparation, in two buildings of 100+ stories and a third of 47 stories, could have taken place without being revealed and that the crashes and fires would not have prematurely detonated the previously planted charges.
If someone can reasonably explain this single aspect, I will gladly "re-open" my mind.
You should probably go away and maybe come back when you have something valuable to add to the discussion.WoodPeckr said:Funny you have all that info and seem very knowledgeable on this obvious 'controlled demolition'.
Do/did you work for the government, in the cover-up division?.....
I already answered this for you in post # 229WoodPeckr said:Yet oddly 'other' buildings closer to ground zero that were more severely damaged than WTC7 never collapsed....
