saliksalik said:
Hello coffee Nazi,
You've convinced me I'm wrong. Starting today, I will ignore my noble taste buds and drink the coffee of the common man.
Viva la serfs!
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Tim Hortons Question
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Hello coffee Nazi,
You've convinced me I'm wrong. Starting today, I will ignore my noble taste buds and drink the coffee of the common man.
Viva la serfs!
Really,it all comes down to marketing, Tim Hortons was smart enough to hire a sharp ad agency and with some promotions like "Rolll up the rim to win" and good ads on tv,they managed to turn a run of the mill coffee and donut chain into an institution,so much so that people actually believe that they are addicted to Tims coffee!
Its the same stuff for forty years, kinda shows what a good ad campaign can do!
Its the same stuff for forty years, kinda shows what a good ad campaign can do!
Dancerfan said:
Tim Horton's marketing is so effective, if you don't like their coffee, you're considered pompous and un-Canadian.
Meanwhile, the sheep keep lining up in the drive through.
lookingforitallthetime said:
Yes your quite right,years ago a Tim Hortons was a hang out of mine and a friend of mine used to say Tims coffee is way too strong,ecch, then when it became " the thing to have" he became one of these people who had to line up for his "Timmies"!
I still dont let him forget about that!
But, it just shows how much marketing can affect your way of life and your likes and dislikes,back in the 70s Labatts 50 was a very popular beer and sold well and was common everywhere, Labatts marketing boys decided that 50 had a so called "blue collar" image,so they decided to drop any ads for 50 and they started to promote Labatts Pilsner, called it Labatts Blue and everything became "Blue" this and "Blue" that, then in a short period of time no one liked 50 anymore,it was skunky and it was this and that,and Blue was just marvelous and so on , Molsons did the same to some extent with Export and started favoring Canadian over Export, again clever marketing changes the way you think!
All I know is that I like their coffee better than Starbucks, Second Cup, or Timothys, it doesn't cost as much, and I don't have to stand in line waiting for some yuppee wannabe to ramble off a latte-grande-soy milk-blahblahblah that results in everyone else having to wait 10 minutes for what should take 1 minute.
I kinda like the drive thru too. It means the store is usually empty when I run in and pick up my coffee while everyone else is still sitting in line!
I kinda like the drive thru too. It means the store is usually empty when I run in and pick up my coffee while everyone else is still sitting in line!
Tim Horton's: Honey-Glazed Competition
Here's an little story, from my local newspaper, with a nifty little message about fair play in business:
Tim Hortons founder still loyal to the brand
The story is an interview with Ron Joyce, the now-retired founder of Canada's much-beloved, and ubiquitous, coffee-and-donut chain, "Tim Horton's". (How ubiquitous? It's got more than 2,500 outlets in Canada, twice as many as McDonald's does. And it accounts for over 60% of the Canadian coffee market, compared to Starbucks' measly 7%.) The chain is referred to colloquially as "Tim's" or "Timmy's," and as coffee chains go, Tim's is the anti-Starbucks. Plain decor; few specialty drinks; and they still call a large coffee "a large coffee." No half-decaf grande mochas at Tim's.
(Personal note: their coffee is actually awful, but folks swear by it. Their maple glazed donuts and apple fritters kick butt, though.)
The interesting part of the story, from a business ethics point of view, is this snippet, about a franchise that didn't open in one small Nova Scotia town:
...there was a local man who applied for a Tim’s franchise several times but was repeatedly turned down by the company.
In frustration, he went to the competition and won a Robin’s Donuts franchise and set up shop just outside the village.
Business boomed.
It was shortly after that Joyce heard Tim Hortons became interested in the location and actually acquired property for a store in the centre of the village. Although he was no longer with the company, having sold out to Wendy’s for $250 million years earlier, he made a call to friends still inside the business and got the location killed.
He said it would be really unfair for the chain to open a store and take business away from a guy who had tried so hard to be part of the Tim Hortons family.
So -- for you skeptics -- here is one instance, at least, in which a huge chain, a multi-million dollar corporation, consciously chose not to pursue a profitable business opportunity, on grounds of fairness. (Note: though there's no date attached to this anecdote, it's almost certainly from the time when Tim's was privately owned, and didn't have shareholders to answer to: it was just this year that the company sold shares publicly for the first time.)
Not that Tim Horton's hasn't done the usual big-chain thing, driving lots of independent coffee/donut shops out of business. Tim's was, and is, a tough competitor:
Joyce quickly adds that it is his belief that Tim’s has never actually put anyone out of business. Businesses only go bankrupt when owners don’t give the customer what they want, he said. And that message applies to businesses competing with Wal-Mart as much as it does for people competing against Tim Hortons.
Fair enough!
http://www.businessethics.ca/blog/2006/11/tim-hortons-honey-glazed-competition.html
Here's an little story, from my local newspaper, with a nifty little message about fair play in business:
Tim Hortons founder still loyal to the brand
The story is an interview with Ron Joyce, the now-retired founder of Canada's much-beloved, and ubiquitous, coffee-and-donut chain, "Tim Horton's". (How ubiquitous? It's got more than 2,500 outlets in Canada, twice as many as McDonald's does. And it accounts for over 60% of the Canadian coffee market, compared to Starbucks' measly 7%.) The chain is referred to colloquially as "Tim's" or "Timmy's," and as coffee chains go, Tim's is the anti-Starbucks. Plain decor; few specialty drinks; and they still call a large coffee "a large coffee." No half-decaf grande mochas at Tim's.
(Personal note: their coffee is actually awful, but folks swear by it. Their maple glazed donuts and apple fritters kick butt, though.)
The interesting part of the story, from a business ethics point of view, is this snippet, about a franchise that didn't open in one small Nova Scotia town:
...there was a local man who applied for a Tim’s franchise several times but was repeatedly turned down by the company.
In frustration, he went to the competition and won a Robin’s Donuts franchise and set up shop just outside the village.
Business boomed.
It was shortly after that Joyce heard Tim Hortons became interested in the location and actually acquired property for a store in the centre of the village. Although he was no longer with the company, having sold out to Wendy’s for $250 million years earlier, he made a call to friends still inside the business and got the location killed.
He said it would be really unfair for the chain to open a store and take business away from a guy who had tried so hard to be part of the Tim Hortons family.
So -- for you skeptics -- here is one instance, at least, in which a huge chain, a multi-million dollar corporation, consciously chose not to pursue a profitable business opportunity, on grounds of fairness. (Note: though there's no date attached to this anecdote, it's almost certainly from the time when Tim's was privately owned, and didn't have shareholders to answer to: it was just this year that the company sold shares publicly for the first time.)
Not that Tim Horton's hasn't done the usual big-chain thing, driving lots of independent coffee/donut shops out of business. Tim's was, and is, a tough competitor:
Joyce quickly adds that it is his belief that Tim’s has never actually put anyone out of business. Businesses only go bankrupt when owners don’t give the customer what they want, he said. And that message applies to businesses competing with Wal-Mart as much as it does for people competing against Tim Hortons.
Fair enough!
http://www.businessethics.ca/blog/2006/11/tim-hortons-honey-glazed-competition.html
I'm not a big coffee drinker but I'd say Tim Horton's has better service.
Starbucks employees don't really wear a uniform, and they have a little snobby gen-x attitude. It's not so bad that it makes me want to go somewhere else, but it does show a little. It almost seems like they're bothered by your business.
OTOH, when I've been to Tim Horton's, the employees wear a uniform, and were friendly in taking your order. I think that goes a long way towards showing customer appreciation.
Seems that Starbucks is going for quantity over quality.
Starbucks employees don't really wear a uniform, and they have a little snobby gen-x attitude. It's not so bad that it makes me want to go somewhere else, but it does show a little. It almost seems like they're bothered by your business.
OTOH, when I've been to Tim Horton's, the employees wear a uniform, and were friendly in taking your order. I think that goes a long way towards showing customer appreciation.
Seems that Starbucks is going for quantity over quality.
Forget about Starbucks, Canadians love Tim Hortons
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2007/01/05/forget-about-starbucks-canadians-love-tim-hortons/
Posted Jan 5th 2007 8:47PM by Melly Alazraki
Filed under: After the bell, Good news, Products and services, Starbucks (SBUX), Wendy's Intl (WEN)
Tim Hortons Inc. (NYSE:THI), the Canadian coffee-and-doughnut chain, had an unbelievable day. THI shares, which debuted only in March 2006, closed the day up 6.82%, or $2.00, to $31.31. 52-week range (since the IPO): $23.79-$33.00.
Tim Hortons opened its first restaurant in Hamilton, Ontario in 1964 and currently has 2,637 restaurants in Canada and 305 in the U.S. In 1995 it merged with Wendy's International Inc. (NYSE:WEN) but was fully spun off as a separate company in September 29, 2006.
Today, the company said that same-store sales grew 10.9-11% percent in Canada and 9.5% in the U.S. in December. For the fourth quarter, same-store sales grew 9.3% in Canada and 8.3% in the U.S. For the full year, Canadian store sales were up 7.5% in Canada and 8.9% in the United States.
If you've ever been to Canada, I'm sure you've come across a Tim Hortons. You can't have missed these coffee shops; they're all around the country. Like Canadian Tire, Tim Hortons truly has become a Canadian cultural icon as its seems the northeners' taste buds differ a bit from their neighbors to the south. In fact, I can walk ten minutes from my house and find two Timmy's, but to get to a Starbucks, I'd have to try harder. And quite frankly I do prefer Tim Hortons' coffee to Starbucks Corp.'s (NASDAQ:SBUX) coffee. It's no wonder Tim Hortons holds 62% of the Canadian coffee market.
Like other coffee chains, Tim Hortons is expanding its menu and during the quarter, the company introduced a breakfast sandwich in Canada and promoted its chili and garlic toast in the U.S. and Canada. Personally, I was never a big fan of their food, but I know I'm the exception in this matter.
Ask a Canadian and he'll tell you -- Timmy's rocks!
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2007/01/05/forget-about-starbucks-canadians-love-tim-hortons/
Posted Jan 5th 2007 8:47PM by Melly Alazraki
Filed under: After the bell, Good news, Products and services, Starbucks (SBUX), Wendy's Intl (WEN)
Tim Hortons Inc. (NYSE:THI), the Canadian coffee-and-doughnut chain, had an unbelievable day. THI shares, which debuted only in March 2006, closed the day up 6.82%, or $2.00, to $31.31. 52-week range (since the IPO): $23.79-$33.00.
Tim Hortons opened its first restaurant in Hamilton, Ontario in 1964 and currently has 2,637 restaurants in Canada and 305 in the U.S. In 1995 it merged with Wendy's International Inc. (NYSE:WEN) but was fully spun off as a separate company in September 29, 2006.
Today, the company said that same-store sales grew 10.9-11% percent in Canada and 9.5% in the U.S. in December. For the fourth quarter, same-store sales grew 9.3% in Canada and 8.3% in the U.S. For the full year, Canadian store sales were up 7.5% in Canada and 8.9% in the United States.
If you've ever been to Canada, I'm sure you've come across a Tim Hortons. You can't have missed these coffee shops; they're all around the country. Like Canadian Tire, Tim Hortons truly has become a Canadian cultural icon as its seems the northeners' taste buds differ a bit from their neighbors to the south. In fact, I can walk ten minutes from my house and find two Timmy's, but to get to a Starbucks, I'd have to try harder. And quite frankly I do prefer Tim Hortons' coffee to Starbucks Corp.'s (NASDAQ:SBUX) coffee. It's no wonder Tim Hortons holds 62% of the Canadian coffee market.
Like other coffee chains, Tim Hortons is expanding its menu and during the quarter, the company introduced a breakfast sandwich in Canada and promoted its chili and garlic toast in the U.S. and Canada. Personally, I was never a big fan of their food, but I know I'm the exception in this matter.
Ask a Canadian and he'll tell you -- Timmy's rocks!
saliksalik said:
Need I remind you, at one time, the majority of Canadians voted for Pierre Trudeau.
I don;t drink coffee, but I do eat food. IIRC the places at Chapters are starbucks, when fatman sees food, he don't look at the brand.
Assuming I am right, I find their [starbucks] brownies and muffins to be insanely overpriced compared to timmies. If I want to be greeked, it is strickly as as a top not bottom, and I would go see an escort, not go to a coffee shop
Assuming I am right, I find their [starbucks] brownies and muffins to be insanely overpriced compared to timmies. If I want to be greeked, it is strickly as as a top not bottom, and I would go see an escort, not go to a coffee shop
sailorsix said:
I agree. I don't like the coffee at Tim Hortons and the constant lineups continue to amaze me. Is it marketing or is it something else? It really does defy reason. Maybe it's because there are just so many of them. There are 3 different outlets within 4 blocks of my home.
Keebler Elf said:
Just say "medium regular" please .. that way you get the right amount of cream and sugar (and the special ingrediant = crack , to keep you coming back)
Moet said:I LOVE TIMMY'S!!!!!!!! I need a coffee right now lol
Yes I am a slave for Tim Hortons dammit what do they put in the coffee!
look up...
The province is full of drug addicts. The line ups at Tim Hortons prove it. Neverenuff$ revelation about the coke wouild explain it.
Tims is good so is Starbucks, Green Bean is really good, Second Cup outlets seem to be in Malls so I don't have the oppurtunity to go to one most days. The one near my house went out of business and Starbucks moved in quick.
Once you get far enough north the aurgument is moot. It's Tim's or Coffee time(100's of flies can't be wrong!) My wife starts to go into Starbucks withdrawl when we camp.
Tims is good so is Starbucks, Green Bean is really good, Second Cup outlets seem to be in Malls so I don't have the oppurtunity to go to one most days. The one near my house went out of business and Starbucks moved in quick.
Once you get far enough north the aurgument is moot. It's Tim's or Coffee time(100's of flies can't be wrong!) My wife starts to go into Starbucks withdrawl when we camp.
I remember when the rumour was that Tim Hortons had more caffeine than other coffee brands and this was addicting the customers.
So one of the newspapers (The Star, IIRC) had the different brands analyzed and it turned out that Tims had the least amount of caffeine!
From what I've been told, Tims uses table cream rather than half and half so that affects the taste and may be part of the reason why people like it better than other brands.
Btw, I highly recommend the Tim Hortons coffee maker. It gives you a fresh pot of coffee in 5 minutes flat. There have been a number of recalls, but I think they have the problem licked.
So one of the newspapers (The Star, IIRC) had the different brands analyzed and it turned out that Tims had the least amount of caffeine!
From what I've been told, Tims uses table cream rather than half and half so that affects the taste and may be part of the reason why people like it better than other brands.
Btw, I highly recommend the Tim Hortons coffee maker. It gives you a fresh pot of coffee in 5 minutes flat. There have been a number of recalls, but I think they have the problem licked.
Amazon_woman said:
I call it fivebucks too.
It's not an exageration either if you're a vente latte drinker.
