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I would guess it got deleted. The mods probably thought it was getting out of hand.BlahBlah said:
I just took a quick look at the fed web site . In their budget info they admit that [edited by moderator] spending by them will be over $9.1 BILLION this fiscal year. Thats what they admit to, fluff is always buried elsewhere, add to that what the provinces spent and it becomes even more disgusting.
They call themselves a soveriegn people, like hell, more like VERY expensive house pets that we don't want.
They call themselves a soveriegn people, like hell, more like VERY expensive house pets that we don't want.
You really have to wonder what happens to this money, most of which evidently disappears down band-council corruption troughs as the rank-and-file Natives who are supposed to benefit from it sit in squalor. Do these guys, like, own South Seas islands or solid-gold toilets or what
I place a lot of the blame on the local chiefs. They are basiclly given the money without any account ability. The chiefs use their people's mistrust of the federal government to make sure that no one asks too many questions about where the money goes.Truncador said:You really have to wonder what happens to this money, most of which evidently disappears down band-council corruption troughs as the rank-and-file Natives who are supposed to benefit from it sit in squalor. Do these guys, like, own South Seas islands or solid-gold toilets or what
That other thread was disgusting and this one appears to be going the same route. This is the kind of language and attitude that I would have expected at the turn of the last century, not this century.danmand said:
A lot of these posters sounded pretty angry, perhaps they missed out on the most recent cross burning party.
danmand said:
I think you're right, lol.
I just would suggest if possible that when posts are deleted, the mods either post a thread explaining or send a pm to all who have posted to notify them. That way I don't have to go through 5 pages and questioning my mental capacity because I can't find it.
LancsLad said:
Far from being "racist", this is a precise description of a situation in which liberals have blended traditional paternalism with a pretense to recognize the "sovereignty" of the First Nations, and so arrived at the most pernicious possible form of paternalism: driving dump-trucks full of money to the reserves and otherwise just leaving the people there to their own devices, i.e. to rot, with little or no effort made to actually improve them or their conditions (since that would violate their sovereignty
). The Natives are in a very real sense reduced to pets, as though house-cats that one feeds and shelters, but otherwise ignores. This duplicates the pattern of foreign-aid spending on the developing world, and with the same result.burlboy said:
LOL!
I say give them the disputed land. But in doing so, they should have their funding slashed. They can sell the land to raise funds if need be.
On a side note, are any of you really surprised at the racial hatred that some of natives have towards 'Canadians'? I'm not but I'm frustrated at how little play it gets.
For a history lesson, the natives south of the border who did not submit during the early 1800's came up here only to save their own ass. Lets not sugercoat it. The Yanks were going to wipe out as many as possible.
Cute In A Kilt said:
Where the hell does over 9 billion dollars of federal money plus loads more from the provinces go then. One thing Harper wants to do and of course the [edited by moderator] leaders object is to subject their " funding" to review by the auditor general.. [edited by moderator] leaders don't want to have to explain to us lousy taxpayers what was done with the money. They rely heavily on the guilt factor to keep the money rolling in. Well maybe if enough other people said I don't feel guilty either we could stop the waste. It is the worst form of institutionalized welfare going.
Mismanaged funds are partially to blame. Since we want to keep hand off with the First Nations people out of respect, we don't strictly keep an eye on how the funds are used - thus easy for tribal leaders to siphon money to whatever they want.
Giving people money and hoping they use it correctly is always a bad idea since it rarely is. I never supported giving a welfare check but instead proping up social programs, infrastructure, scholarships and so on. Don't rely on people to spend wisely. Spend it wisely for them.
Giving people money and hoping they use it correctly is always a bad idea since it rarely is. I never supported giving a welfare check but instead proping up social programs, infrastructure, scholarships and so on. Don't rely on people to spend wisely. Spend it wisely for them.
Hammerstein
bored and sleepless again
Just want an honest answer
Granted yes the intial thread did not start that well and the language and ideas presented by some were uncalled for ( though within what I see as a justified rage as to the happenings with the community).
As for sounding pretty angry I was fortunate enough to be able to unleash alot of my anger on some destructive work around the house, but none the less my anger was still there then as it is now.
Maybe I did miss the last cross burning party, but then again I find them well just so old fashion and they solve nothing.
Now I have only two questions regarding my previous thread. Why was it deleted, after all if it was something I said then honestly I would like to know why? As i felt that it was reaching a serious point of discussion. Why delete the whole thead why not just delet the offending posts?
By the way and actual response from the mod responsible for deleting the previous thread would be nice, Thanks
SilentLeviathan said:That other thread was disgusting and this one appears to be going the same route. This is the kind of language and attitude that I would have expected at the turn of the last century, not this century.
A lot of these posters sounded pretty angry, perhaps they missed out on the most recent cross burning party.
Granted yes the intial thread did not start that well and the language and ideas presented by some were uncalled for ( though within what I see as a justified rage as to the happenings with the community).
As for sounding pretty angry I was fortunate enough to be able to unleash alot of my anger on some destructive work around the house, but none the less my anger was still there then as it is now.
Maybe I did miss the last cross burning party, but then again I find them well just so old fashion and they solve nothing.
Now I have only two questions regarding my previous thread. Why was it deleted, after all if it was something I said then honestly I would like to know why? As i felt that it was reaching a serious point of discussion. Why delete the whole thead why not just delet the offending posts?
By the way and actual response from the mod responsible for deleting the previous thread would be nice, Thanks
Sure, a lot of the Indian councils are corrupt and stealing money.
But some are not.
White collar crime is everywhere in society and is certainly not unique to Indian councils.
Personally, I think that the Indians have gotten the short end of the stick over the years and only in the last 20 or so years have they started to gain ground.
I have worked with a bunch of the boys from the 6 nations reserve and Tyandaga as well. Apart from being some of the funniest human beings I have ever met, they were all damn hard workers and very good at their trade. When I was first told that I would be working directly with a guy who was from 6 nations, my head filled with all kinds of stereotypes. Nothing could have been further from the truth. What I met was a very decent, honest professional guy who worked hard, and was very very active in promoting youth sports at 6 nations.
In short, he and they were good guys.
But some are not.
White collar crime is everywhere in society and is certainly not unique to Indian councils.
Personally, I think that the Indians have gotten the short end of the stick over the years and only in the last 20 or so years have they started to gain ground.
I have worked with a bunch of the boys from the 6 nations reserve and Tyandaga as well. Apart from being some of the funniest human beings I have ever met, they were all damn hard workers and very good at their trade. When I was first told that I would be working directly with a guy who was from 6 nations, my head filled with all kinds of stereotypes. Nothing could have been further from the truth. What I met was a very decent, honest professional guy who worked hard, and was very very active in promoting youth sports at 6 nations.
In short, he and they were good guys.
Hey James ...
I'm sure those guys from the 6 nations that you worked with took home the same sized pay cheques as the rest of the guys who weren't from the 6 nations.
After they got paid they drove back to the reserve and filled up their gas tanks, paying maybe .60 cents or so per litre of gas.
If they need some smokes they went down to the corner store and bought some for about $2.50 a pack.
If they had to go to the city to buy a big-ticket item, for instance, they pulled a special card out of their wallet so that they wouldn't have to pay any sales tax on their purchases.
You have to wonder who is really getting the "short end of the stick."
I'm sure those guys from the 6 nations that you worked with took home the same sized pay cheques as the rest of the guys who weren't from the 6 nations.
After they got paid they drove back to the reserve and filled up their gas tanks, paying maybe .60 cents or so per litre of gas.
If they need some smokes they went down to the corner store and bought some for about $2.50 a pack.
If they had to go to the city to buy a big-ticket item, for instance, they pulled a special card out of their wallet so that they wouldn't have to pay any sales tax on their purchases.
You have to wonder who is really getting the "short end of the stick."
