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buttercup

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Following the recent Supreme Court ruling, IMO it is very likely that, by this time next year, we will have a law under which a chap who pays a lady for sex will commit a crime. As a result, he, if caught, will be outed, fined, have his name in the papers, etc. The lady herself will commit no crime.

You might think this prediction is off-beam -- but for now, assume the prediction is correct, and answer the following questions.

1. What difference will it make to your hobbying activities? Total cease?

2. What difference do you think it will make to the hobby? -- i.e how many chaps do you think will call it a day, and hang up their . .

3. Assuming all restrictions on ladies are removed, will there be a glut of ladies offering sex for money, but no (or very few) takers? Will the per-hour price therefore fall sharply?
 
I don't think I would try anyone without her being reviewed on reputable boards. Probably stick with ladies I already know to avoid American style LE stings. LE will still have to prove the exchange of $$$ for sex. Stings are the only way to prove this, I think. But here's a concern. Will reviews on boards like terb be seen as proof of committing an illegal act? Can this spell the end of REVIEW boards?
 
You're describing the Scandinavian model; criminalize the demand rather than the supply. If that's the route the government chooses, I think it will eliminate 90% of sex work. There are too many men whose career requires a clean criminal record.
 
buttercup said:
Following the recent Supreme Court ruling, IMO it is very likely that, by this time next year, we will have a law under which a chap who pays a lady for sex will commit a crime. As a result, he, if caught, will be outed, fined, have his name in the papers, etc. The lady herself will commit no crime.

You might think this prediction is off-beam -- but for now, assume the prediction is correct, and answer the following questions.

1. What difference will it make to your hobbying activities? Total cease?

2. What difference do you think it will make to the hobby? -- i.e how many chaps do you think will call it a day, and hang up their . .

3. Assuming all restrictions on ladies are removed, will there be a glut of ladies offering sex for money, but no (or very few) takers? Will the per-hour price therefore fall sharply?
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If prostitution is not made illegal but the johns are to be made into criminals, then this will also be easily defeated in court at many levels. The reasons for the recent Supreme Decisions, one of them being that sex workers do not have a safe place to ply their trade will not be addressed by allowing prostitution to be legal yet penalizing those who use the service. If the government makes prostitution illegal, then that is a different story, but then both prostitutes and customers would have to face criminal charges, which is also unlikely. Who knows what will happen, but this time next year, business will still go on most likely as usual, with minor modifications. The only guarantees in life are death, taxes and whoring.
 
I can't believe the lack of concern, here.

What would be the best law for terbites who have a sense of civic responsibility?

We don't want unrestricted prostitution. Of course, as citizens we want the police to have the power to close brothels. There must be some restrictions.

The best thing would be to have a law that permits prostitution, as such, but to also have a law that allows the police to control the unsavory side, including streetwalking, brothels, forceful pimping, underage, etc, etc. Make incalls technically illegal, but don't do anything about them unless there's a complaint.

Wouldn't that be a good way to do it?

But no, the SCoC wants the law to be changed. The most likely thing our friendly gov will change is that they will make it a crime for a chap to pay for sex.

Don't you think they're going to do that?

Don't you think it will be the end of hobbying as we know it?

Not that there's anything we can do about it. But I would expect to see a bit more wailing and gnashing of teeth.

The times they are a-changing. In the words of the poet Fuji - "Gather ye rosebuds while you may."
 
I don't want to be naive but I really am not concerned that anything will change for me personally- regardless of what happens.

I work out of hotels which is illegal now.... the majority of people who i see are people i have already met... people who know and trust me and I trust them.

I don't think anything is going to change.

I'm not being dismissive or turning my head from reality... But I sincerely don't believe there is any reason to fear that things will change....
 
Jennifer, at the beginning of the year, you were reasonably upbeat about the effects on your business.

Just out of interest, are you still optimistic, or have you changed your mind now?
 
This time next year the Reform-Conservatives will be looking at an upcoming election which they will lose.
 
FearlessFreep said:
I don't think I would try anyone without her being reviewed on reputable boards. Probably stick with ladies I already know to avoid American style LE stings. LE will still have to prove the exchange of $$$ for sex. Stings are the only way to prove this, I think. But here's a concern. Will reviews on boards like terb be seen as proof of committing an illegal act? Can this spell the end of REVIEW boards?
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This is a very provocative concern. I think it is something a lawyer would be able to answer. In other words can they catch you after the deed? I think all of your other comments are common sense and don't fall into a lot of prevailing paranoia.
 
Electronic media may be a gift to LE in enforcing the new bill. All very public advertisers will have limited their liability by ceasing advertising or by attempting to get foreign hosting accounts. Will the Reform Conservatives take action to go after Canadians with foreign hosting accounts in the future, probably likely? Now Magazine will find it very difficult to operate and will go under in the near future. Legitimate looking spas with attendants in uniform will become busier and places with scantily glad attendants will flounder as johns will be scared off. LE will step up efforts to arrest pimps, human traffickers and now johns and showcase these arrests. Independants with established clientele will survive, but will find it extremely difficult to attract new customers. Clandestine places, particlarly Asian only will grow, with workers taking more risks to hold onto and entice johns. Advertisers in languages other than English may circumvent the new laws for a while or indefinetely? Until the court challenges have started and charges start to get stayed business will go into a major recession or depression as the risks of a criminal record and jail time are just too high for most people. Going into next years election, the Liberals and the NDP will not campaign on any platforms making life easier for pimps and johns. Even if Bill C-36 is defeated which is highly unlikely, the atmosphere will become very user unfriendly for johns for a long time. If the Conservatives win again next year which is likely, Bill C-36 will be amended and made more draconion and robust.
 
In the past we committed crimes by seeing escorts in their illegal incalls and posted about it on here. Even more people are currently committing crimes every day by smoking marijuana.

If we're discreet we'll avoid being charged for similar crimes in the future.
 
lomotil said:
LE will step up efforts to arrest pimps, human traffickers and now johns and showcase these arrests.
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If history is any guide, LE almost always goes overboard when armed with new legislation. They will grab the good, the bad and the ugly and let the courts sort it out.

The kiddie porn legislation is a good example of legislative overreach.
Example: Father gets arrested for taking a pic of his naked baby on his cellphone.
Example: 14 year old girl gets arrested for taking a nude pic of herself.
 
Viggo Rasmussen said:
In the past we committed crimes by seeing escorts in their illegal incalls and posted about it on here. Even more people are currently committing crimes every day by smoking marijuana.


If we're discreet we'll avoid being charged for similar crimes in the future.
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The marijuana trade is going legitimate slowly. Medical marijuana enterprises are being encouraged by the Feds in contrast to prostitution which is being discouraged. Discretion may not be enough.
 
I don't want medical marijuana, that's for sick people.

Anyone who settles for that deserves to have a regulated sex industry where we all register with the government to fuck.
 
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