This thread picks up on what I have been saying for years: unless there is a form of cap on the prices the girls will just keep putting up their rates continuously. This is exactly what has happened and continues to happen. By this time next year who knows what they will try to get away with. And don't forget, these ladies are not paying tax on the monies. How many professionals make $250+/hr after tax? Some I know but...., you get the poing. I also have a standing question I put to the board members and have yet to receive a reply. Maybe that silence answers the question I posed: has anyone paid $300-400-500-700... /hr or session and walked away thinking the lady was worth it and the money was well spent? Did she really provide a service that, with proper research, a lady charging a fraction of the fee did not? Personally I never have. And yes in my early days in the hobby, I thought you got what you paid for. Boy was I mistaken. Cheers.
Thinking on hanging it up due to $$
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An admirable quality of this business is that it's a true "free" economy. Women charge what the market will bear. Raising their prices too high will result in fewer appointments. But if they drop their prices too low, that comes with its own set of problems (and I'll let women who are members of this board expand on that point, as they are far better versed on this that I could ever be).
Two things to remember:
1) You get quality or you get a low price. You don't get both. And don't offer W*lMart as an exception to that rule. Think about it. We'd all prefer to not see someone who is in the volume business.
2) If you don't like the price, don't call. Or stop calling. Or go elsewhere. SPs have plenty of reasons to set their prices. If they are bad reasons, they'll adjust soon enough.
Two things to remember:
1) You get quality or you get a low price. You don't get both. And don't offer W*lMart as an exception to that rule. Think about it. We'd all prefer to not see someone who is in the volume business.
2) If you don't like the price, don't call. Or stop calling. Or go elsewhere. SPs have plenty of reasons to set their prices. If they are bad reasons, they'll adjust soon enough.
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We do live in a free market society. You can choose who you see as long as you pay their price. You are also free to bargain on that price (although it may not get you very far). I don't think that there is any point in all of the bitching and complaining about the high prices that girls are charging (I admit that I wish some of them were less expensive). As long as there are sufficient numbers of clients willing to pay their asking price, the girls will charge that price. We can all swear an oath to not see a girl over $250 but that will not necessarily make them lower their prices as long as there are others willing to pay the price. The high rollers probably don't even bother lurking around this site. We expend a lot of effort (and money) to ferret out those gems which we share with others here. Then they get popular and raise their rates - there are lots of examples (even Rachelle's prices have gone up). What's the point - be satisfied with what you can afford because there isn't a thing that you can do about it except increasing your income. Also, this board is great for spending your money wisely. However, don't be just a taker but contribute as well.
I agree that to a certain point we cannot control the prices in a 'free' market. But you must know that the girls stick to an implicit 'agreement' about the prices, which is: keep the same prices. A few times I tried to negotiate prices with MPAs, who told me this 'I really want to give you this extra for that price but I can't because the other girls won't like it' or this: 'ok let's settle for that price but do not tell the other girls or clients about this'.
If they are lowering their price and accepting 'negotiations', this means the price was too high to begin with. It's the same with a Ford dealer who is willing to lower his price to complete the transaction. He will end up with a nice profit even if you thought you did good negotiation wise. This is all supply manipulation.
Why all of a sudden, we cannot do the same on the demand side (demand manipulation)?
I know it's more difficult to do it from the demand side because men reason with their little head more often than their big head when Mr Happy is ringing the bell...but we have to be smarter than that!
If they are lowering their price and accepting 'negotiations', this means the price was too high to begin with. It's the same with a Ford dealer who is willing to lower his price to complete the transaction. He will end up with a nice profit even if you thought you did good negotiation wise. This is all supply manipulation.
Why all of a sudden, we cannot do the same on the demand side (demand manipulation)?
I know it's more difficult to do it from the demand side because men reason with their little head more often than their big head when Mr Happy is ringing the bell...but we have to be smarter than that!
I agree
I agree with you!
And to CMJ
No I don't have the right to put a price on someone's body. But I do have the right to post here my opinions (I think) and ask if anyone else supports the idea and suggest we stick together.
Secret_Admirer said:
I agree with you!
And to CMJ
No I don't have the right to put a price on someone's body. But I do have the right to post here my opinions (I think) and ask if anyone else supports the idea and suggest we stick together.
Oh yeah
CMJ. I don't have the right to put a price on someone's body, but it's not really their body I'm pricing as much the service! Let's keep this professional! It's the service and the sp's assets we look at. We are not trying to degrade someone by suggesting lower prices. Maybe the sp's that demand the higher prices are hot and they know it???? Or maybe it's what they need to do to justify their choice of occupation to themselves (thinking that they are better then other girls that charge $200).
CMJ. I don't have the right to put a price on someone's body, but it's not really their body I'm pricing as much the service! Let's keep this professional! It's the service and the sp's assets we look at. We are not trying to degrade someone by suggesting lower prices. Maybe the sp's that demand the higher prices are hot and they know it???? Or maybe it's what they need to do to justify their choice of occupation to themselves (thinking that they are better then other girls that charge $200).
That's probably true. It's also likely that many of the highest-priced SP's (particularly those who make long-distance flights from city to city on a regular basis) treat their work as a very serious business venture and that they file formal declarations for income tax and GST purposes. That would allow them to deduct their travel, accommodation and general operating expenses and allow them to build up self-employed RRSP savings accounts for their retirements, etc. Ultimately, this is the most sensible path for the SP's themselves to follow although not all of them will be able to see things in this light. Clearly, those SP's who treat their work as a serious business venture will necessarily have to charge higher rates in order to cover their higher operating expenses. Moreover, those SP's who are business oriented will more fully appreciate the importance of continually providing a high level of service to their clientele.purpleshaft said:
Yes, but this is a very tiny minority. I know a number of SPs that charge high prices and declare themselves as unemployed, or better yet on welfare. The regular citizen like you and me is screwed twice: by paying high prices (undeclared to Revenue Canada) and by subsidizing their welfare cheque.Tip-Drill said:
A Poll is needed I think.
Who knows how to set up a poll about this.
The question could read: How much is the maximum amount you are willing to defray to see an SP for one hour. Think of this SP as providing a very good service and that you like her looks. The options could be: $160; $180; $200; $220; $230; $250; $280; $300; $350; $400; Over $400.
Only males are allowed to answer the poll of course.
If someone knows how to set up a poll, please do.
Who knows how to set up a poll about this.
The question could read: How much is the maximum amount you are willing to defray to see an SP for one hour. Think of this SP as providing a very good service and that you like her looks. The options could be: $160; $180; $200; $220; $230; $250; $280; $300; $350; $400; Over $400.
Only males are allowed to answer the poll of course.
If someone knows how to set up a poll, please do.
Your explanation only works for business with high entry barriers. As in auto industry example, there are only a handful of auto companies. If it wasn't for the government, im sure they will all collude and manipulate the market prices.Wired_To_You said:
However, If SP's charging perpetually increases, then what is stopping newcomers to look at the SP world at say, "hey, $500 per hour to just sleep with a random guy? sure why not? I'll even do it for $200 per hour"
There is hardly any entry barriers for SPs. Any girl can just start up the business in her apartment or even visit a hotel/motel for a day and start putting up internet/newspaper ads.
It can't get much better than that lol! I get the impression that Revenue Canada turns a blind eye to all of this for reasons best known to themselves. However, Rev. Can. has started a crusade against eBay sellers who don't charge GST and who don't properly declare their sales income and they may start investigating other businesses in which a lot of cash changes hands under the table .... or maybe in some cases on top of the table lol!bbclown said:
i am sure All SP understand all this
hi gentlemen,
i am sure your point and idea are view by most of the readers
on this board. Rates, gift, donation, most of the time are base on the choice of the girls. I cannot talk for an independent at this time of the year, but i can talk for my self agency owner.
everybody have to stop and think about that . its not going to be a choice for the future for keep good business.
I dont think nobody, hide this fact ! You read more and more about Price question and economic crisis.
For an Independent Lower their rates is more easy if you compare to an agency.
I have already prepare our ladies to something like this going to happen, with all the bad economic situation.
but please dont forget is something Agency have to move with slowly and
have to becarefull ABOUT saying to a girls :
ex : HUN now you get paid xx$ less then before
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yes for sure the agency do their part on this like the girls and ( the custumer by continue to Hobby ) .
but i am still think its a move have to be done, slowly! but on a sure way.
Just my opinion
John
hi gentlemen,
i am sure your point and idea are view by most of the readers
on this board. Rates, gift, donation, most of the time are base on the choice of the girls. I cannot talk for an independent at this time of the year, but i can talk for my self agency owner.
everybody have to stop and think about that . its not going to be a choice for the future for keep good business.
I dont think nobody, hide this fact ! You read more and more about Price question and economic crisis.
For an Independent Lower their rates is more easy if you compare to an agency.
I have already prepare our ladies to something like this going to happen, with all the bad economic situation.
but please dont forget is something Agency have to move with slowly and
have to becarefull ABOUT saying to a girls :
ex : HUN now you get paid xx$ less then before
.yes for sure the agency do their part on this like the girls and ( the custumer by continue to Hobby ) .
but i am still think its a move have to be done, slowly! but on a sure way.
Just my opinion
John
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wow
Well that's quite the intelligent thought! I suppose there must be the odd woman that would be thoughtfull enough to do that. That would take a lot of know how and discipline to set up.
Tip-Drill said:
Well that's quite the intelligent thought! I suppose there must be the odd woman that would be thoughtfull enough to do that. That would take a lot of know how and discipline to set up.
I appreciate that those with higher operating expenses expect to be reimbursed in addition to making a profit. That's meat&potatoes economics. If guys like me (the average shmuck, who represent the majority of the market), object to the unsustainable rise in prices then the market majority is no longer willing to support the business despite the quality of the product. That's the definition of a recession. That's what's happening to GM, Ford, Chrysler (the lazy-ass bastards).
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Well I for one found it very offensive!Secret_Admirer said:If I am not mistaken it was removed and I don't know why!!!, although I understand why separate threads under the title $150, $200, $250 and $300 were removed as it mentioned SPs by name.
The thread on poll did not mentioned any SP by name or otherwise or was not in any way offensive to anyone so I don't understand why it was removed
In fact I think the poll could have been quite useful to the new and existing SPs to decide how to set their donation (Those who wish to see one or two a day or the ones who wish to see many every day).
You guys seem to forget that we (sps) do have feelings and are not just pieces of meat with price tags and just for the records names were mentioned mine being one of them and I dont appreciated being slandered it takes alot of courage to put yourself out there. I relize I am not playboy material and never claimed to be but I take very good care of myself and was insulted by jabbas one line review on me and I know I am not the only one who thought this was uncalled for.
By doing this you are only going to make sps who charge less and give more then the girls who charge double quit!!
Thats just my 2 cents
Jeanniem, I've been giving some thought to what you (and others) said as feedback to my threads. I've been trying to find the words to explain. All I can say is that I've offended you, other members and possibly Moderator. I apologize.Jeanniem said:
The real intent of the posts was to explore the business a little deeper than the pole. By attaching names and what I hoped were constructive comments, I obviously exceeded the intent and stomped right into offensive territory. Nobody ever accused me of being Mr. Sensitive.
To you SPs/MAs, I love what you do and now appreciate that you've got a lot invested in your career. On behalf of the customers, I hope this industry can respond realistically to the evolving market conditions and continue to be competitive.
I don't think the poll's goal was to offend anybody. It was about sharing information on adult services among adults.
When we write a review and say that a specific SP charges high prices, it's ok, so what's the fuss about an anonymous poll on prices?
No member is putting a price tag on any sp. It's the SPs that are putting price tags on themselves and we are only giving our opinions about that price tag.
If an SP feels offended by opinions on her prices, then she is not in the right line of business. She should look for another job where she doesn't have to deal with clients' views on her prices.
It would be nice if 'somebody' can give us an explanation about this censorship. One thing for sure, we don't want to be like the other Board (sp 'friendly' and biased). The (much) higher value of this Board compared to the other is in fact its independent free views. Let's not spoil that.
When we write a review and say that a specific SP charges high prices, it's ok, so what's the fuss about an anonymous poll on prices?
No member is putting a price tag on any sp. It's the SPs that are putting price tags on themselves and we are only giving our opinions about that price tag.
If an SP feels offended by opinions on her prices, then she is not in the right line of business. She should look for another job where she doesn't have to deal with clients' views on her prices.
It would be nice if 'somebody' can give us an explanation about this censorship. One thing for sure, we don't want to be like the other Board (sp 'friendly' and biased). The (much) higher value of this Board compared to the other is in fact its independent free views. Let's not spoil that.
