Things about the election that don't smell right

Dutch Oven

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A bad smell is not conclusive evidence. However, anyone would be foolish to ignore it and not try to resolve whether there is a problem that accounts for it. I am struck by a few features that have become pervasive in American elections and/or were features of this particular election:

1. Democratic strongholds persistently report later than the remainder of their state. This makes no sense to me, particularly in Democratic run states like Pennsylvania where the state is free to allocate election resources wherever they feel they are are needed. There is no reason why large urban voting centers need to be underresourced (on a per ballot basis). Even in Republican run states, election staff in the Democratic strongholds tend to be Democrats simply for pragmatic reasons (location). If I was trying to think of ways to cheat in an election, certainly having my vote come in only after the opponent's vote was fully counted would be in my toolbox.

2. Races that the Democrats won, but were unexpectedly close, got no airtime or comment. Trump is on track to get 44-45% of the vote in New York, one of the most reliably blue states! How did this not merit any mention? Is it just co-incidence that it doesn't fit the narrative that voters in this part of the country don't like Trump? Michigan and Pennsylvania are not far away, and are largely industrialized states.

3. I primarily watched CNN's coverage. Wolf Blitzer was clearly troubled by the disappearance of early Democrat leads in Florida, Georgia, Texas, North Carolina, Ohio, etc. Why? Biden didn't need those wins. Wasn't he super confident, based on the polls, that Biden would get what he needed in the northern states and/or Arizona anyway? There's something wrong when a network touts polls so consistently, and then doesn't appear to have any faith in them at all on election night. That behaviour made them look like frauds in my eyes.

4. While I understand election rules that would prevent announcing any election results before the polls close, I'm at a loss as to why votes can't be counted as they are received (subject to litigation challenging the propriety of those particular votes, in which case they should be segregated), and then promptly announced following the close of the polls. See point 1.

5. The unnecessary lies/distortions about how "normal" everything is during this election. It is NOT normal for mail in ballots to be so substantial that anyone could think that they could upend a 700,000 vote lead. The normal insignificance of mail in balloting is why they've never received much scrutiny in the past, and why they don't impede calling state victories on election night, not because there was never anything to question. There is nothing normal about this election. Further, I did not and do not buy the move to expanded mail in balloting based on public health grounds. The perception of fair and reliable election results is more socially important than the miniscule public health risks of people voting in person voting with masks on.

6. The unnecessary lies/distortions about how "unprecedented" and "undemocratic" it was of Trump to say, in essence, that he believes he won and that his opponents are concocting schemes to deny him his victory. This criticism is hogwash. Anyone who ever challenged an election result by demanding a recount or challenging the process in court was implicitly claiming victory and skullduggery on the part of his opponents. It has happened innumerable times, and was the essence of the Bush v. Gore challenge. Complaining that a state is attempting to manipulate election results by changing voting rules is a democratic, rather than undemocratic argument, Elections need clear rules, or they are subject to manipulation. See point 1, again.

7. CNN wouldn't declare Florida for Trump until he had a 3.5 point lead with less than 5% of the vote to count. WTF was up with that! At 90% of the vote, did they think Biden was going to blow Trump out on the remaining vote? Smelled bad. Smelled bad for hours on end. On the other end of the scale, their reluctance to call Arizona is also fishy. Bigger lead (for the Democrats). What is holding them back? Similarly, what's wrong in Nevada that prevented them from making that call?

Did any of this bother you?
 

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Methink you farted.
 

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A bad smell is not conclusive evidence. However, anyone would be foolish to ignore it and not try to resolve whether there is a problem that accounts for it. I am struck by a few features that have become pervasive in American elections and/or were features of this particular election:

1. Democratic strongholds persistently report later than the remainder of their state. This makes no sense to me, particularly in Democratic run states like Pennsylvania where the state is free to allocate election resources wherever they feel they are are needed. There is no reason why large urban voting centers need to be underresourced (on a per ballot basis). Even in Republican run states, election staff in the Democratic strongholds tend to be Democrats simply for pragmatic reasons (location). If I was trying to think of ways to cheat in an election, certainly having my vote come in only after the opponent's vote was fully counted would be in my toolbox.

2. Races that the Democrats won, but were unexpectedly close, got no airtime or comment. Trump is on track to get 44-45% of the vote in New York, one of the most reliably blue states! How did this not merit any mention? Is it just co-incidence that it doesn't fit the narrative that voters in this part of the country don't like Trump? Michigan and Pennsylvania are not far away, and are largely industrialized states.

3. I primarily watched CNN's coverage. Wolf Blitzer was clearly troubled by the disappearance of early Democrat leads in Florida, Georgia, Texas, North Carolina, Ohio, etc. Why? Biden didn't need those wins. Wasn't he super confident, based on the polls, that Biden would get what he needed in the northern states and/or Arizona anyway? There's something wrong when a network touts polls so consistently, and then doesn't appear to have any faith in them at all on election night. That behaviour made them look like frauds in my eyes.

4. While I understand election rules that would prevent announcing any election results before the polls close, I'm at a loss as to why votes can't be counted as they are received (subject to litigation challenging the propriety of those particular votes, in which case they should be segregated), and then promptly announced following the close of the polls. See point 1.

5. The unnecessary lies/distortions about how "normal" everything is during this election. It is NOT normal for mail in ballots to be so substantial that anyone could think that they could upend a 700,000 vote lead. The normal insignificance of mail in balloting is why they've never received much scrutiny in the past, and why they don't impede calling state victories on election night, not because there was never anything to question. There is nothing normal about this election. Further, I did not and do not buy the move to expanded mail in balloting based on public health grounds. The perception of fair and reliable election results is more socially important than the miniscule public health risks of people voting in person voting with masks on.

6. The unnecessary lies/distortions about how "unprecedented" and "undemocratic" it was of Trump to say, in essence, that he believes he won and that his opponents are concocting schemes to deny him his victory. This criticism is hogwash. Anyone who ever challenged an election result by demanding a recount or challenging the process in court was implicitly claiming victory and skullduggery on the part of his opponents. It has happened innumerable times, and was the essence of the Bush v. Gore challenge. Complaining that a state is attempting to manipulate election results by changing voting rules is a democratic, rather than undemocratic argument, Elections need clear rules, or they are subject to manipulation. See point 1, again.

7. CNN wouldn't declare Florida for Trump until he had a 3.5 point lead with less than 5% of the vote to count. WTF was up with that! At 90% of the vote, did they think Biden was going to blow Trump out on the remaining vote? Smelled bad. Smelled bad for hours on end. On the other end of the scale, their reluctance to call Arizona is also fishy. Bigger lead (for the Democrats). What is holding them back? Similarly, what's wrong in Nevada that prevented them from making that call?

Did any of this bother you?
Way too long to read...but nothing smells...nobody’s cheating, there isn’t widespread fraud...in fact, they stories around the country are everything is running smoothly.
 

Dutch Oven

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Way too long to read...but nothing smells...nobody’s cheating, there isn’t widespread fraud...in fact, they stories around the country are everything is running smoothly.
Rings pretty hollow without reading my post, and too late to do it now, since you've already voiced your opinion.
 
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Dutch Oven

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If you want people to read it cut it down to about 30% of what it is...if you’re looking for a Pulitzer send it somewhere else, this is a message board forum.
It's up to you whether to read a longer post and/or comment on it. I'm not aiming at a particular number of responses to justify writing it. A single meaningful exchange with someone would suffice, or even a fair read by another member. I suppose I could have taken the approach of others and started 7 threads instead of just one, but I don't need my name in lights that badly (TERB lights, at that ;) )
 
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I tried watching CNN, God they were awful. Blitzer and the other guy king i believe are too old and easily confused. Fox is pretty polished imo compared to CNN, regardless of who they support. Younger hosts who just present themselves better.
 

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A bad smell is not conclusive evidence. However, anyone would be foolish to ignore it and not try to resolve whether there is a problem that accounts for it. I am struck by a few features that have become pervasive in American elections and/or were features of this particular election:

1. Democratic strongholds persistently report later than the remainder of their state. This makes no sense to me, particularly in Democratic run states like Pennsylvania where the state is free to allocate election resources wherever they feel they are are needed. There is no reason why large urban voting centers need to be underresourced (on a per ballot basis). Even in Republican run states, election staff in the Democratic strongholds tend to be Democrats simply for pragmatic reasons (location). If I was trying to think of ways to cheat in an election, certainly having my vote come in only after the opponent's vote was fully counted would be in my toolbox.

2. Races that the Democrats won, but were unexpectedly close, got no airtime or comment. Trump is on track to get 44-45% of the vote in New York, one of the most reliably blue states! How did this not merit any mention? Is it just co-incidence that it doesn't fit the narrative that voters in this part of the country don't like Trump? Michigan and Pennsylvania are not far away, and are largely industrialized states.

3. I primarily watched CNN's coverage. Wolf Blitzer was clearly troubled by the disappearance of early Democrat leads in Florida, Georgia, Texas, North Carolina, Ohio, etc. Why? Biden didn't need those wins. Wasn't he super confident, based on the polls, that Biden would get what he needed in the northern states and/or Arizona anyway? There's something wrong when a network touts polls so consistently, and then doesn't appear to have any faith in them at all on election night. That behaviour made them look like frauds in my eyes.

4. While I understand election rules that would prevent announcing any election results before the polls close, I'm at a loss as to why votes can't be counted as they are received (subject to litigation challenging the propriety of those particular votes, in which case they should be segregated), and then promptly announced following the close of the polls. See point 1.

5. The unnecessary lies/distortions about how "normal" everything is during this election. It is NOT normal for mail in ballots to be so substantial that anyone could think that they could upend a 700,000 vote lead. The normal insignificance of mail in balloting is why they've never received much scrutiny in the past, and why they don't impede calling state victories on election night, not because there was never anything to question. There is nothing normal about this election. Further, I did not and do not buy the move to expanded mail in balloting based on public health grounds. The perception of fair and reliable election results is more socially important than the miniscule public health risks of people voting in person voting with masks on.

6. The unnecessary lies/distortions about how "unprecedented" and "undemocratic" it was of Trump to say, in essence, that he believes he won and that his opponents are concocting schemes to deny him his victory. This criticism is hogwash. Anyone who ever challenged an election result by demanding a recount or challenging the process in court was implicitly claiming victory and skullduggery on the part of his opponents. It has happened innumerable times, and was the essence of the Bush v. Gore challenge. Complaining that a state is attempting to manipulate election results by changing voting rules is a democratic, rather than undemocratic argument, Elections need clear rules, or they are subject to manipulation. See point 1, again.

7. CNN wouldn't declare Florida for Trump until he had a 3.5 point lead with less than 5% of the vote to count. WTF was up with that! At 90% of the vote, did they think Biden was going to blow Trump out on the remaining vote? Smelled bad. Smelled bad for hours on end. On the other end of the scale, their reluctance to call Arizona is also fishy. Bigger lead (for the Democrats). What is holding them back? Similarly, what's wrong in Nevada that prevented them from making that call?

Did any of this bother you?

Your post seems you have a poor understanding of election and media in general - lets look at point 4 in brief

" While I understand election rules that would prevent announcing any election results before the polls close, I'm at a loss as to why votes can't be counted as they are received (subject to litigation challenging the propriety of those particular votes, in which case they should be segregated), and then promptly announced following the close of the polls. See point 1."

In the Canadian system this would be insane from a security of the vote point of view. You put all votes in a sealed box. The seal is not broken until it is ready to be counted, and watched by witness of all parties involved.
You could modify the system- say have boxes for hour one then hour two etc but it means that the boxes could easily be tampered with as they are opened - if not then but at recounts. The cost of such a system would be logically more expensive for less certainty of the vote.

Electronics would be way for counting in real time. However, electronic systems are easy to cheat, anyone in control of the software could change the count at anytime, You see your vote as going to x, but the computer transfer some of x (wherever could be believed ) to y if and only if y is actually lossing. Why cheat all the time too suspicious you only have to win by one vote after all (but dont have the computer program win by one vote, way too suspicious)

Stuffing ballot boxes is already a problem made very easy to do with continuous counts.

To simplify
1) continuous count are much more expensive to have any type of security.
2) even with the extra cost, they are much more likely to allow cheating.
3) The advantage of having instant gratification of a count would be minimal. The change of power does not happen til January - so there is no need for a result before then other than curiosity.
 

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Another Democratic scam...counting all the ballots.

"Talk is cheap, voting is free; take it to the polls. "

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There are numerous reports from Fake Fox & Friends that Biden/Harris stamped remote controlled pigeons were up all night long, dropping off Biden supporting ballots in all those states that Trump was ahead in :ROFLMAO:

That bad smell emanating around some people is coming from their own pants :ROFLMAO: Please put your diapers back on :ROFLMAO:
 
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