There Will Be a One-State Solution

[Frankfooter]

To bad instead of arresting him, Hamas routinely featured the guy at rallies.

I seem to recall you getting cornered a while back and denying that you ever describe Gaza rockets as self defense but here you are once again claiming that Palestinians have a right to fire war criime rockets randomly at Israeli cities.

Palestinians have a right to self defence.
Their primitive, home made, rockets are a war crime because they can't be aimed only at military targets.
That makes them war criminals, not terrorists.

Israel uses their incredibly accurate and much more devastating weapons to target civilians and civilian infrastructure, including targeting civilians and using snipers to shoot them while the protest every Friday for over a year.
Israel started this round of violence by assassinating someone they accused of war crimes, as well as killing his family at the same time.

I note that you continue to support targeting civilians by Israel, which is the definition of terrorism.
Which makes you the supporter of terrorism here.

 

[Frankfooter]

I think Abbas realizes it is the end goal but after the PLO and Fatah spent decades promising to destroy Israel, he knows he doesn't have a political mandate to do so (or for that matter a mandate to stay in office). Hamas on the other hand is quite clear they will not stop until they control an Islamic Palestinian state in the place of Israel




Netanyahu, absolutely not. More center/left parties will as long as they have something to assure their security. It was only a decade ago that a former Likud PM offered the West Bank, a shared Jerusalem, and a Gaza/West Bank connection.

Netanyahu campaigned on annexing parts of the West Bank and formally killing the already dead two state solution.
Gantz is a war criminal.
Abbas more interested in hanging on as leader of the PA than working for his people.

None of them are good, including Hamas.

The one state solution is already there, as apartheid.
You're the one backing the de facto, apartheid one state solution through your continual support of Israeli aggressions, theft of land and colonization through settlements.

 

[onthebottom]

I think Abbas realizes it is the end goal but after the PLO and Fatah spent decades promising to destroy Israel, he knows he doesn't have a political mandate to do so (or for that matter a mandate to stay in office). Hamas on the other hand is quite clear they will not stop until they control an Islamic Palestinian state in the place of Israel




Netanyahu, absolutely not. More center/left parties will as long as they have something to assure their security. It was only a decade ago that a former Likud PM offered the West Bank, a shared Jerusalem, and a Gaza/West Bank connection.

Abbas isn’t strong enough to deliver, we agree on that.

Center left keeps losing elections. The people are voting no.

I don’t see either of these changing, do you? For a two state solution both would need to change.

 

[Frankfooter]

Pretty fucked up that you complain about Israel killing the guy in charge of rocket terrorism and don't take any issue with PIJ actually committing that terrorism. ]

This 'killing a guy' attack was a missile that hit him and his family while they were home. Israel killed 11 people, with 100 more injured.
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/23/world/a-hamas-chieftain-dies-when-israelis-attack-his-home.html

The bombing in the early hours of Thursday in Deir al-Balah struck the home of Rasmi Abu Malhous, a member of Islamic Jihad, and his brother Mohamed, a Palestinian Authority (PA) employee.

The air raids killed Rasmi, his second wife Maryam, 45, and three of his 11 children - Salim, 3, Mohannad, 12, and three-month-old Firas. The bombing also killed Mohamed's wife Yousra, 39, and two of their sons, Moaaz, 7, and Waseem, 13.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...raids-gaza-targets-hamas-191116055549476.html

This is what you call self defence?

Amnesty International
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Under int law civilians must be protected. Israel has reportedly killed at least 8 children in Gaza. It must refrain from using large explosive weapons in populated areas. Direct attacks on civilians & indiscriminate attacks that kill or injure civilians are war crimes.
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I find it disgusting that you are here cheering for the killing of children.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Harvard Law students walk out on presentation by Israeli consul defending settlements:

https://twitter.com/ayakayed/status/1195087721234149398?s=21

 

[Liminal]

And no, firing unguided rockets at cities is NOT SELF DEFENSE.

That is one hysterical oxymoron. You certainly thought that one through.

 

[Frankfooter]

That is one hysterical oxymoron. You certainly thought that one through.

Yes, apparently for Basketcase self defence is only legit if you use guided missiles when you fire rockets at cities.
So killing an entire family of 11 during a time of ceasefire is self defence but reacting to attacks on said city is a war crime.

Such is the moral life of someone who is against Muslim concentration camps in China but for them under Israeli rule.

 

[Liminal]

Yes, apparently for Basketcase self defence is only legit if you use guided missiles when you fire rockets at cities.
So killing an entire family of 11 during a time of ceasefire is self defence but reacting to attacks on said city is a war crime.

Such is the moral life of someone who is against Muslim concentration camps in China but for them under Israeli rule.

He’s a run of the mill PEP...Progressive Except Palestine

 

[basketcase]

Palestinians have a right to self defence.
Their primitive, home made, rockets are a war crime because they can't be aimed only at military targets....

Thanks for refuting your previous claims about supporting the UN and Human Rights organizations. Israel hit a terrorist (or military since you refuse to describe any Palestinian as a terrorist) leader and PIJ responded by firing hundreds of rockets at Israeli cities.

You will not find a single human rights organization that refers to those rockets as a legitimate form of self defense.

p.s. Some of the rockets launched had 300 kg payloads.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/islam...et-with-300kg-warhead-during-fighting-report/

 

[basketcase]

Netanyahu campaigned on annexing parts of the West Bank

And did worse in this election than before.

Sad that you think Hamas is the best party despite openly vowing to destroy Israel and remove the Jewish presence.

 

[basketcase]

...
Center left keeps losing elections. The people are voting no. ....

Yet they 'won' this election. A center left party won more seats than Likud.


I see Israel as not changing. There is already significant support for a two state peace and Isareli leaders have repeatedly been willing to trade land for peace. What you don't seem to get about their elections is that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict isn't the main electoral issue.

I don't see much potential of change on the Palestinian side in the next couple decades. Both major parties are massively corrupt and hate each other as much as they hate Israel. Considering how deeply fused religion is for groups like Hamas and generations promising to eliminate Israel combined with the middle eastern need for portraying strength, I don't think the Palestinian leaders willing to make peace have been born yet.

 

[basketcase]

This 'killing a guy' attack ....

It is racist hypocrisy that you object to Israel directly targeting a terrorist leader while supporting Palestinians randomly lobbing missiles at Israeli cities.

How do Palestinian rockets "protect civilians"?

Seems you also choose to ignore what Amnesty says about those rockets. Here is an entire report.
UNLAWFUL AND DEADLY
ROCKET AND MORTAR ATTACKS BY PALESTINIAN ARMED GROUPS DURING THE 2014 GAZA/ISRAEL CONFLICT
https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/MDE2111782015ENGLISH.PDF


p.s. One of the gaza rockets hit the UN Human Rights headquarters.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-...man-rights-commission-office-in-strip-report/

 

[basketcase]

Yes, apparently for Basketcase self defence is only legit if....

According to Canadian and International law, self defense is using force to directly stop a threat. In a military conflict, that would mean attacking the military targets that pose the threat, not trying to kill random civilians. At the same time, here you are repeatedly defending attacks on Jewish civilians though while complaining that Palestinian terrorists get killed.


Israel targeting the Islamic Jihad guy in charge of rockets is self defense (even if civilians are killed as well). Palestinians firing rockets towards Israeli cities is just plain terrorism.

 

[Frankfooter]

It is racist hypocrisy that you object to Israel directly targeting a terrorist leader while supporting Palestinians randomly lobbing missiles at Israeli cities.

How do Palestinian rockets "protect civilians"?

Those same Amnesty reports note that Israel commits way more war crimes, more deaths, more apartheid, more institutional racism, more torture of prisoners and war crimes.
I assume since you are quoting with Amnesty you admit that Israel's killing of civilians is far worse.

Right?

 

[Frankfooter]

According to Canadian and International law, self defense is using force to directly stop a threat. In a military conflict, that would mean attacking the military targets that pose the threat, not trying to kill random civilians.

How was that family at home a direct threat to Israel?
Why did Israel kill the wife and children as well?

That's a war crime you're backing, basketcase.
A war crime that's worse than indiscriminate rockets because we know that Israel can and did intentionally aim them at a family.

 

[Liminal]

It is racist hypocrisy that you object to Israel directly targeting a terrorist leader while supporting Palestinians randomly lobbing missiles at Israeli cities.

How do Palestinian rockets "protect civilians"?

Seems you also choose to ignore what Amnesty says about those rockets. Here is an entire report.
UNLAWFUL AND DEADLY
ROCKET AND MORTAR ATTACKS BY PALESTINIAN ARMED GROUPS DURING THE 2014 GAZA/ISRAEL CONFLICT
https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/MDE2111782015ENGLISH.PDF


p.s. One of the gaza rockets hit the UN Human Rights headquarters.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-...man-rights-commission-office-in-strip-report/

More of your comical screwups.

You rely on the integrity of Amnesty International in one link but fail to notice that they contradict you in the second.

“The ICHR blamed Israel for the missile, which injured one worker and caused significant damage to the building. Amnesty International issued a condemnation of Israel, as did the US left-wing activist group Code Pink.”

 

[basketcase]

Those same Amnesty reports ...

It is amazing that you can claim Amnesty is right on one thing while arguing the polar opposite when it doesn't fit your agenda. And no, Palestinian factions intentionally trying to kill civilians is far worse than Israel accidentally killing civilians while targeting terrorist leaders.


But sure, keep on claiming that terror rockets are somehow self defense when the UN and every rights group disagrees with you.

 

[basketcase]

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That's a war crime you're backing, basketcase.....

You have an interesting definition of war crimes if you think targeting a terrorist leader is one but targeting civilians is self defense.

 

[basketcase]

More of your comical screwups.

You rely on the integrity of Amnesty International in one link but fail to notice that they contradict you in the second.

“The ICHR blamed Israel for the missile, which injured one worker and caused significant damage to the building. Amnesty International issued a condemnation of Israel, as did the US left-wing activist group Code Pink.”

Exactly the issue. ICHR automatically blames Israel even when the evidence clearly shows it was a Palestinian rocket.

 

[Liminal]

Exactly the issue. ICHR automatically blames Israel even when the evidence clearly shows it was a Palestinian rocket.

You forgot to mention that the source you cited earlier (Amnesty International) confirmed that it was an Israeli attack on the UN Human Rights office.
Progressive Except Palestine.